The American Idol culture war (Bill O'Reilly wins Idol!)

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SardonicallyIrrelevant		#61	[-]
Posts: 19886 (05/21/09 1:03 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: Not only did this show jump the shark, but it JUMPED A CHRISTIAN SHARK. I don't think there are religious sharks. I've read they are fairly intelligent creatures and they tend to give up their imaginary friends around the age of 3. Just look on the bright side, Adam fans. Poor Kris has to release that fucking Kara song as a single now.
The Smoking Nun		#62	[-]
Posts: 2764 (05/21/09 1:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SardonicallyIrrelevant wrote: Why is Bill O'Reilly wasting time on this? Doesn't he have a young female staffer he can threaten to rape with pastries? Can't he work on another child molestation erotica novel? Maybe O'Lielly wants to loofah Kris' no-no hole? I wonder how many of the phobes who voted against Adam have Clay Aiken CDs in their collections?
mungobuh		#63	[-]
Posts: 964 (05/21/09 2:07 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bill O'Reilly really did his part, didn't he? I mean, it's shortsighted to think he's the sole contributing factor in the "crazy fundies take down the GHEY" theory.... ....but O'Reilly has proven once again that he's a bonafide douchebag for giving legs to the "will christians vote for adam lambert" meme.
SardonicallyIrrelevant		#64	[-]
Posts: 19890 (05/21/09 2:11 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I wish he and Rolex hadn't tainted the season for me. Otherwise I would have been 100% happy with a Kris (or an Adam) win. Oh well, I'll just try to keep in mind that this is the kind of man who likes to blame rape and kidnap victims for the crimes committed against them.
Blatantly Oblivious		#65	[-]
Posts: 288 (05/21/09 5:05 AM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	O'Reilly is not "A Factor" - do you really think that people voted against Adam becuase of Bill? I watch O'Reilly and voted for Adam and Kris all season. Winner did not matter. I really dislike it when people let other people influence them - don't think it happened in this case. I cannot see a whole lot of Kradam fans gathering aroung the t.v. to watch"The Factor' everynight. Kris and Adam <3!
bumlets1		#66	[-]
Posts: 906 (05/24/09 5:03 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bill brought it to the attention of a LOT of homophobic bigots- whoops- I mean Christians. Who otherwise might have never known about the story. Do I think it was all his fault? No. Do I think he helped? Yes. Just look on TV at the amount of hatred that most anti-gay people are capable of. Please, Bush managed to actually win his second election by bashing gays. If that ignorance can swing a presidential election, yes I think it can swing an American Idol outcome. Does Kris deserve to be known as the guy that won because he was the "less scary" choice for a bunch of bigoted people? No, but it is what it is.
reggierules		#67	[-]
Posts: 2635 (05/24/09 7:18 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Are any of you at all considering the equally rabid gay rights twats that surely voted for Adam because he was gay? (Lord knows it wasn't anything else...) Both groups are extremely vocal so why do you think only one would pick up the phone to express their beliefs? And again, complaining about this is like getting pissy over the weather. It is what it is, why complain about it? The alternative to public voting (which gasps allows people to vote on whatever merits they deem worthy) would be some kind of judge-only decision. Which would have you people bitching about rigging and favoritism. Can't we just bitch about all of it and stop making Adam into a victim? I'm sure he loves that ever so much.
Gregoire		#68	[-]
Posts: 33001 (05/24/09 8:05 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Voting FOR someone because they are a certain thing is different than voting AGAINST someone. One is looking to shatter barriers, the other to maintain the status quo. I would prefer people voted on talent, but I don't think throwing these other two groups together is really fair.
bumlets1		#69	[-]
Posts: 907 (05/24/09 8:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	reggierules wrote: Are any of you at all considering the equally rabid gay rights twats that surely voted for Adam because he was gay? (Lord knows it wasn't anything else...) Both groups are extremely vocal so why do you think only one would pick up the phone to express their beliefs? And again, complaining about this is like getting pissy over the weather. It is what it is, why complain about it? The alternative to public voting (which gasps allows people to vote on whatever merits they deem worthy) would be some kind of judge-only decision. Which would have you people bitching about rigging and favoritism. Can't we just bitch about all of it and stop making Adam into a victim? I'm sure he loves that ever so much. Look, fact is that gay people are the only people in this country that it is still "Okay" to openly hate. Comparing people who are pro-gay to those who are anti-gay is like saying that racists and civil rights leaders in the 60's were doing the same thing. Yes, this is just a TV show, but a lot of barriers were broken by Vanessa Williams becoming the first black Miss America, how is that any different than wanting to see the first gay American Idol? Both are symbols of progress, and both were opposed by bigots. I'm not saying that all people who voted for Kris were bigots. Kris' win was just unfortunately helped along by bigots.
eraserhead19		#70	[-]
Posts: 177 (05/24/09 8:39 AM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bumlets1 wrote: reggierules wrote: Are any of you at all considering the equally rabid gay rights twats that surely voted for Adam because he was gay? (Lord knows it wasn't anything else...) Both groups are extremely vocal so why do you think only one would pick up the phone to express their beliefs? And again, complaining about this is like getting pissy over the weather. It is what it is, why complain about it? The alternative to public voting (which gasps allows people to vote on whatever merits they deem worthy) would be some kind of judge-only decision. Which would have you people bitching about rigging and favoritism. Can't we just bitch about all of it and stop making Adam into a victim? I'm sure he loves that ever so much. Look, fact is that gay people are the only people in this country that it is still "Okay" to openly hate. Comparing people who are pro-gay to those who are anti-gay is like saying that racists and civil rights leaders in the 60's were doing the same thing. Yes, this is just a TV show, but a lot of barriers were broken by Vanessa Williams becoming the first black Miss America, how is that any different than wanting to see the first gay American Idol? Both are symbols of progress, and both were opposed by bigots. I'm not saying that all people who voted for Kris were bigots. Kris' win was just unfortunately helped along by bigots. X
bumlets1		#71	[-]
Posts: 911 (05/24/09 8:50 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But we can at least all come together under the common bond that Gokey sucks.
eraserhead19		#72	[-]
Posts: 179 (05/24/09 8:52 AM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bumlets1 wrote: But we can at least all come together under the common bond that Gokey sucks. yes, Gokey is a uniter not a divider on his suckage for sure!
meatball77		#73	[-]
Posts: 11818 (05/24/09 12:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bumlets1 wrote: reggierules wrote: Are any of you at all considering the equally rabid gay rights twats that surely voted for Adam because he was gay? (Lord knows it wasn't anything else...) Both groups are extremely vocal so why do you think only one would pick up the phone to express their beliefs? And again, complaining about this is like getting pissy over the weather. It is what it is, why complain about it? The alternative to public voting (which gasps allows people to vote on whatever merits they deem worthy) would be some kind of judge-only decision. Which would have you people bitching about rigging and favoritism. Can't we just bitch about all of it and stop making Adam into a victim? I'm sure he loves that ever so much. Look, fact is that gay people are the only people in this country that it is still "Okay" to openly hate. Comparing people who are pro-gay to those who are anti-gay is like saying that racists and civil rights leaders in the 60's were doing the same thing. Yes, this is just a TV show, but a lot of barriers were broken by Vanessa Williams becoming the first black Miss America, how is that any different than wanting to see the first gay American Idol? Both are symbols of progress, and both were opposed by bigots. I'm not saying that all people who voted for Kris were bigots. Kris' win was just unfortunately helped along by bigots. Wrong, it's ok for about the same number of people to hate "Mexicans" who don't speak english well.
bumlets1		#74	[-]
Posts: 932 (05/24/09 1:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	meatball77 wrote: bumlets1 wrote: reggierules wrote: Are any of you at all considering the equally rabid gay rights twats that surely voted for Adam because he was gay? (Lord knows it wasn't anything else...) Both groups are extremely vocal so why do you think only one would pick up the phone to express their beliefs? And again, complaining about this is like getting pissy over the weather. It is what it is, why complain about it? The alternative to public voting (which gasps allows people to vote on whatever merits they deem worthy) would be some kind of judge-only decision. Which would have you people bitching about rigging and favoritism. Can't we just bitch about all of it and stop making Adam into a victim? I'm sure he loves that ever so much. Look, fact is that gay people are the only people in this country that it is still "Okay" to openly hate. Comparing people who are pro-gay to those who are anti-gay is like saying that racists and civil rights leaders in the 60's were doing the same thing. Yes, this is just a TV show, but a lot of barriers were broken by Vanessa Williams becoming the first black Miss America, how is that any different than wanting to see the first gay American Idol? Both are symbols of progress, and both were opposed by bigots. I'm not saying that all people who voted for Kris were bigots. Kris' win was just unfortunately helped along by bigots. Wrong, it's ok for about the same number of people to hate "Mexicans" who don't speak english well. Good point- but which comes across as more acceptable, having an antigay group Like the National Organization for Marriage, or an anti- Mexican group like the Minute Men? Have states approved constitutional ammendments recently to strip away the rights of Mexican people? Can a hate monger like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell get away with going on TV on anti Mexican tirades? Mexicans and people who speak english as a second language are discriminated against everyday, but is it as acceptable to openly hate them as it is to openly hate gays?
BBSpencer		#75	[-]
Posts: 667 (05/24/09 1:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So is me voting for Kris the equivalent of a black man beating up MLK Jr.? I'm just making sure I have this insane comparison down correctly. If you're really that heartbroken about the potential symbolism of Adam winning a silly singing contest, go watch "Milk" and it'll make you feel better. Especially since, you know...that triumph actually mattered. Until then, quit it with the pity party. I quit whining about it when I was 16 and realized oh well, its life. People aren't going to change their minds just because you cry about it. And don't compare gays now to civil rights then...thats ridiculous on all accounts. Stop worrying about the gay community as a whole and worry about yourself, because you sound like a fool.
bumlets1		#76	[-]
Posts: 934 (05/24/09 1:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BBSpencer wrote: So is me voting for Kris the equivalent of a black man beating up MLK Jr.? I'm just making sure I have this insane comparison down correctly. If you're really that heartbroken about the potential symbolism of Adam winning a silly singing contest, go watch "Milk" and it'll make you feel better. Especially since, you know...that triumph actually mattered. Until then, quit it with the pity party. I quit whining about it when I was 16 and realized oh well, its life. People aren't going to change their minds just because you cry about it. And don't compare gays now to civil rights then...thats ridiculous on all accounts. Stop worrying about the gay community as a whole and worry about yourself, because you sound like a fool. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm saying all people that voted for Kris hate gay people. I don't see where I said that. Kris fans seem to be awfully insecure about his win.
Will		#77	[-]
Posts: 34417 (05/24/09 1:17 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rubs his hands together waiting for somebody to fulfil Godwin's law
eraserhead19		#78	[-]
Posts: 213 (05/24/09 1:37 PM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bumlets1 wrote: BBSpencer wrote: So is me voting for Kris the equivalent of a black man beating up MLK Jr.? I'm just making sure I have this insane comparison down correctly. If you're really that heartbroken about the potential symbolism of Adam winning a silly singing contest, go watch "Milk" and it'll make you feel better. Especially since, you know...that triumph actually mattered. Until then, quit it with the pity party. I quit whining about it when I was 16 and realized oh well, its life. People aren't going to change their minds just because you cry about it. And don't compare gays now to civil rights then...thats ridiculous on all accounts. Stop worrying about the gay community as a whole and worry about yourself, because you sound like a fool. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm saying all people that voted for Kris hate gay people. I don't see where I said that. Kris fans seem to be awfully insecure about his win. I really think that's what it is. I think there is some legitimate fear that when their albums are released it will be painfully obvious that Kris won not due to his talent but rather as an alternative to the gay guy. I hope I'm wrong because that would suck for Kris. No one wants Kris to be a worse winner than Taylor Hicks.
bumlets1		#79	[-]
Posts: 942 (05/24/09 1:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	eraserhead19 wrote: bumlets1 wrote: BBSpencer wrote: So is me voting for Kris the equivalent of a black man beating up MLK Jr.? I'm just making sure I have this insane comparison down correctly. If you're really that heartbroken about the potential symbolism of Adam winning a silly singing contest, go watch "Milk" and it'll make you feel better. Especially since, you know...that triumph actually mattered. Until then, quit it with the pity party. I quit whining about it when I was 16 and realized oh well, its life. People aren't going to change their minds just because you cry about it. And don't compare gays now to civil rights then...thats ridiculous on all accounts. Stop worrying about the gay community as a whole and worry about yourself, because you sound like a fool. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm saying all people that voted for Kris hate gay people. I don't see where I said that. Kris fans seem to be awfully insecure about his win. I really think that's what it is. I think there is some legitimate fear that when their albums are released it will be painfully obvious that Kris won not due to his talent but rather as an alternative to the gay guy. I hope I'm wrong because that would suck for Kris. No one wants Kris to be a worse winner than Taylor Hicks. Look out- I'm going to defend Kris! Even if Kris sells one album- no one will ever be a worse winner than Taylor Hicks.
eraserhead19		#80	[-]
Posts: 217 (05/24/09 2:18 PM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bumlets1 wrote: eraserhead19 wrote: bumlets1 wrote: BBSpencer wrote: So is me voting for Kris the equivalent of a black man beating up MLK Jr.? I'm just making sure I have this insane comparison down correctly. If you're really that heartbroken about the potential symbolism of Adam winning a silly singing contest, go watch "Milk" and it'll make you feel better. Especially since, you know...that triumph actually mattered. Until then, quit it with the pity party. I quit whining about it when I was 16 and realized oh well, its life. People aren't going to change their minds just because you cry about it. And don't compare gays now to civil rights then...thats ridiculous on all accounts. Stop worrying about the gay community as a whole and worry about yourself, because you sound like a fool. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm saying all people that voted for Kris hate gay people. I don't see where I said that. Kris fans seem to be awfully insecure about his win. I really think that's what it is. I think there is some legitimate fear that when their albums are released it will be painfully obvious that Kris won not due to his talent but rather as an alternative to the gay guy. I hope I'm wrong because that would suck for Kris. No one wants Kris to be a worse winner than Taylor Hicks. Look out- I'm going to defend Kris! Even if Kris sells one album- no one will ever be a worse winner than Taylor Hicks. I was only speaking sales wise. and you watch out MPC will come here and remind us that actually the worst winner ever was Mantasia.

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