5/13/09 S5 Finale "The Incident"

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twonyx		#581	[-]
Posts: 262 (05/15/09 2:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe Jacob wanted to die and MIB couldn't kill him because of the rules. I know if I had to spend hundreds of years on craphole island living in a cabin or under a foot in the dark, I'ld wish I could die.
yoshi		#582	[-]
Posts: 2143 (05/15/09 2:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hostile6 wrote: I think the loophole has to be a bit more complicated than getting another person to kill Jacob... Otherwise anyone could kill Jacob, and finding that one person to do it wouldn't be very hard at all. I agree. And Esau/AJ wouldn't have had to do things "you wouldn't believe" to get there at that moment. It may have to do with getting someone back to the island who left via the wheel and who is therefore not supposed to be able to come back--thus Ben. Or maybe only someone who has been healed by Smokey--also Ben.
cindidindi76		#583	[-]
Posts: 17957 (05/15/09 2:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Excellent post Pagong, a lot of it is stuff I've been talking about with people but didn't have the ambition to type it all out and post here. The conversation in the beginning just reminded me so much of a scene in a book I read (not the bible) with God and Satan just having a little chit-chat, that I was watching for nthat sort of stuff the rest of the episode. Certainly not a regular in this forum, but I haven't seen any mention of what may be an important detail. There really hasn't been a reason story wise to bring back Lapidus. It was also referenced that Frank was a potential "candidate". The only things I can think of that he could be a candidate for, is either being a new leader, or more likely, a candidate for redemption (which has been a common theme since S1 and the purgatory speculation). I was thinking he maybe would be a good candidate to be the same thing for Jacob that Locke was for MIB. Locke vs. Lawnmower Man next season?
Hostile6		#584	[-]
Posts: 1203 (05/15/09 4:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cindidindi76 wrote: Excellent post Pagong, a lot of it is stuff I've been talking about with people but didn't have the ambition to type it all out and post here. The conversation in the beginning just reminded me so much of a scene in a book I read (not the bible) with God and Satan just having a little chit-chat, that I was watching for nthat sort of stuff the rest of the episode. Certainly not a regular in this forum, but I haven't seen any mention of what may be an important detail. There really hasn't been a reason story wise to bring back Lapidus. It was also referenced that Frank was a potential "candidate". The only things I can think of that he could be a candidate for, is either being a new leader, or more likely, a candidate for redemption (which has been a common theme since S1 and the purgatory speculation). I was thinking he maybe would be a good candidate to be the same thing for Jacob that Locke was for MIB. Locke vs. Lawnmower Man next season? Would frank have to die? Or would he just be a vessel? Was Jacob's original body as vessel (original, as in Mark Pel.)? So many questions. Thank god we don't have to wait 9 months.....
PagongSchlong		#585	[-]
Posts: 5208 (05/15/09 5:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	FYI... As of right now, the #4 Hot Searches on Yahoo!....is Jacob and Esau. LOL #1 is Elizabeth Mitchell YW
Merrilin		#586	[-]
Posts: 1225 (05/15/09 5:56 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PagongSchlong wrote: FYI... As of right now, the #4 Hot Searches on Yahoo!....is Jacob and Esau. LOL #1 is Elizabeth Mitchell YW I feel so Borg like all of a sudden.
PumaPeggy		#587	[-]
Posts: 1285 (05/15/09 9:08 PM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm thinking Juliet's setting off the bomb does something to allow the time travellers to go back to current time. Thus...they are the they that Jacob refers to that are coming. I don't think Jacob and anti-Jacob are simply good/evil. I think Jacob is Free will and the other guy is Fate. The producers said after this ep....we'd have enough info to come up with accurate theories of how it's all going to end.
Fluffynurse		#588	[-]
Posts: 15601 (05/15/09 9:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PumaPeggy wrote: I'm thinking Juliet's setting off the bomb does something to allow the time travellers to go back to current time. Thus...they are the they that Jacob refers to that are coming. I don't think Jacob and anti-Jacob are simply good/evil. I think Jacob is Free will and the other guy is Fate. I think it's even more complicated than that Peg. If Jacob is free-will then how did he get the ship to come to the island? The captain & sailors would have had free-will to go anywhere they wanted. Why did Anti-Jacob tell Jacob that Jacob was the one to bring the ship there? That doesn't sound like free-will to me. It sounds like he was pulling strings in the background to get them there. Jacob: I take it you're here because of the ship. The Man in Black: I am. How did they find the island? Jacob: You'll have to ask them when they get here. The Man in Black: I don't have to ask…YOU brought them here. The Man in Black: Still trying to prove me wrong? Jacob: You ARE wrong. The Man in Black: Am I? They come…they fight…they destroy… they corrupt. It always ends the same. Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that…is just progress.
PagongSchlong		#589	[-]
Posts: 5209 (05/15/09 9:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fluffynurse wrote: PumaPeggy wrote: I'm thinking Juliet's setting off the bomb does something to allow the time travellers to go back to current time. Thus...they are the they that Jacob refers to that are coming. I don't think Jacob and anti-Jacob are simply good/evil. I think Jacob is Free will and the other guy is Fate. I think it's even more complicated than that Peg. If Jacob is free-will then how did he get the ship to come to the island? The captain & sailors would have had free-will to go anywhere they wanted. Why did Anti-Jacob tell Jacob that Jacob was the one to bring the ship there? That doesn't sound like free-will to me. It sounds like he was pulling strings in the background to get them there. Jacob: I take it you're here because of the ship. The Man in Black: I am. How did they find the island? Jacob: You'll have to ask them when they get here. The Man in Black: I don't have to ask…YOU brought them here. The Man in Black: Still trying to prove me wrong? Jacob: You ARE wrong. The Man in Black: Am I? They come…they fight…they destroy… they corrupt. It always ends the same. Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that…is just progress. I didn't take that as Jacob literally bringing them to the island. I took that as the people on that ship were in search of Jacob or Jacob's way of life. Consequently....he brought them there.
Hostile6		#590	[-]
Posts: 1205 (05/15/09 9:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PumaPeggy wrote: I'm thinking Juliet's setting off the bomb does something to allow the time travellers to go back to current time. Thus...they are the they that Jacob refers to that are coming. I don't think Jacob and anti-Jacob are simply good/evil. I think Jacob is Free will and the other guy is Fate. The producers said after this ep....we'd have enough info to come up with accurate theories of how it's all going to end. I thought Damon said after the season premiere of season 6 and Carlton joked the series finale? I was thinking about the ending of The incident... There's no way they changed the future. WHH still holds up. Oceanic 815 crashes, Widmore sends a freighter team to the island, This allows the 06 to get off the island, as well as introducing Daniel. Daniel goes back to 1954 and sees a hydrogen bomb. He later leaves to do research and formulates a plan to blow the island up and stop the incident from occurring and thus Oceanic 815 never crashes... But if Oceanic 815 never crahses, Daniel never goes to the island, is never in 1954, and never forumlates a plan to change time. For such a smart guy, Daniel seems to have not thought his plan through. Like Miles (who has really become the best 77er IMO) suggested, they're simply following through with whatever happened, happened. The flash at the end was a massive pocket of energy that allowed time travel (perhaps for the first time, chronologically, since 1954 Richard had no fucking clue about it). Which brings me back to the season 2 finale. When Desmond use the failsafe, he was given some kind of time travel ability. It seems to me that the Swan site hole has time travel related properties. Someone posted a video from the lost video game which indicated that the Swan explosion created an alternate reality... Not saying this is my theory, but again, it speaks to my position that the SSH has TT properties. Perhaps it did create an alternate realty, I have no idea... That could be awesome, but 17 hours isn't enough to explore that shit... I don't think. Anyway, just my guess on the S5 finale. WHH. Last Edited By: Hostile6 05/15/09 9:51 PM. Edited 1 times.
twonyx		#591	[-]
Posts: 265 (05/15/09 9:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe Jacob is "destiny" and it was "destiny" that brought them there.
Cute Poison		#592	[-]
Posts: 157 (05/15/09 11:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PumaPeggy wrote:. The producers said after this ep....we'd have enough info to come up with accurate theories of how it's all going to end. Ha! all it did after this ep for me, is give more questions....
Hostile6		#593	[-]
Posts: 1206 (05/16/09 1:01 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quick question. Richard told Jack he visited Locke 3 times off the island and he never saw anything particularly special in him. The first time was at his birth, the second time as a young boy (testing him), and what was the third time? I don't think it's been revealed right? Or am I forgetting another visit?
cginspace		#594	[-]
Posts: 7985 (05/16/09 1:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would say Jacob is Jesus, the other one is Satan. In many faith traditions, Jesus wanted free will before this world, and Satan did not want free will. And Jesus died, but did not die. Last Edited By: cginspace 05/16/09 2:12 AM. Edited 1 times.
bunner6	great post shorty	#595	[-]
Posts: 104 (05/16/09 5:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shorty - Great post! Loved the insight - I agree - I think the producers are going for a lot of religious parallels - although they will probably mash a bunch together at the end and not spell any one out directly - so as to be politically correct... - But I like your train of thought... As far as JAcob vs MIB, Remember - Jacob just "gives people that little push" like he said to Jack after the surgery... call it whatever you want... But it's definitly 2 "sides - good vs evil, or fave vs destiny or ying vs yang or whatever... It will be interesting to see how this plays out- We have 9 months to speculate.....
yoshi		#596	[-]
Posts: 2145 (05/16/09 9:25 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hostile6 wrote: For such a smart guy, Daniel seems to have not thought his plan through. If Daniel was out to prove that WHH is false, he had a very easy way to do it: not talk to Charlotte before heading off to see his other-of-a-mother. This is one thing he knew was supposed to happen that he could have prevented from happening, thus proving that what happened doesn't have to happen. Anything else he tries, he may just end up causing what he's trying to prevent (like Miles's suggestion that setting off the bomb causes, not prevents, the incident).
Hostile6		#597	[-]
Posts: 1207 (05/16/09 10:59 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cginspace wrote: I would say Jacob is Jesus, the other one is Satan. In many faith traditions, Jesus wanted free will before this world, and Satan did not want free will. And Jesus died, but did not die. Are they playing out the story of Jobe?
pleasepassthepork		#598	[-]
Posts: 473 (05/16/09 11:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hostile6 wrote: Quick question. Richard told Jack he visited Locke 3 times off the island and he never saw anything particularly special in him. The first time was at his birth, the second time as a young boy (testing him), and what was the third time? I don't think it's been revealed right? Or am I forgetting another visit? Third time (from lostpedia): Years later, however, in 1972, Richard again contacted Locke through his high school science teacher, Gellert, offering Locke a chance to attend a summer science camp sponsored by Mittelos Laboratories. Locke refused to attend the camp, though, and no further attempts to recruit him have been shown. ("Cabin Fever") In 1977 Richard would state to Jack that these three visits led him to find nothing "particularly special" about Locke.
VillageIdiot		#599	[-]
Posts: 1186 (05/16/09 11:09 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't like the idea that Jacob is a symbol for something (Destinly/ freewill...). He looks like just a human being to me, he got stabbed, he bled and died. although I am not sure how the writers work of course It looks to me that Jacob was someone who could see the future as well as he could see the past, and thus was impossible to kill (he'd know in advance what was going to happen to him and avoid it). The only way to kill such a man was to cause a time paradox of sorts. Someone needs to change the future or something like this. So, in a sense, setting off the bomb would be the reason Jacob could be killed?
cginspace		#600	[-]
Posts: 7991 (05/16/09 12:04 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hostile6 wrote: cginspace wrote: I would say Jacob is Jesus, the other one is Satan. In many faith traditions, Jesus wanted free will before this world, and Satan did not want free will. And Jesus died, but did not die. Are they playing out the story of Jobe? Remember, by bringing them to the island, Jacob gave all of them, most of them with horrible "sins" under their belt, a second chance if they choose. They are playing out the story of post-Jesus. The interesting thing is that this story is a mix between the story of Christitanity and New Thought traditions, which argue that by changing out thoughts and attitudes, we can change our destiny.

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