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LKMOSCAR		#4801	[-]
Posts: 6473 (05/14/09 10:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Forza ratings: Coach=OTTNN5 Erinn=CPM3 James T=OTT3 Stephen=CP3 Taj=UTR2 Last Edited By: LKMOSCAR 05/15/09 8:36 AM. Edited 1 times.
YemaGrl1988		#4802	[-]
Posts: 5662 (05/14/09 10:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Something I noticed this episode was in the recap, they gave Erinn credit. I have no idea if she wins but I want her to win so I will think is is good. <33
colleenlover		#4803	[-]
Posts: 9286 (05/14/09 10:15 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree. And I think if it is the case, it will go with the "blah, blah, blah" portion I cited above. I think it's been hammered home that JT will take Stephen. But with tonight's event (or manipulation) it looks like there will be tension next episode. No disrespect to the Erinn fans (and I myself am rooting for Taj), but I just don't see enough threads for Erinn or Taj to be facing the jury to get any bang out their editing bucks.
Seacrest22		#4804	[-]
Posts: 381 (05/14/09 10:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: well see. I don't think there was really any on the outs. Just smoke and mirrors. And I can't see Stephen and JT not both in the final three -the tension is just not developed for a Stephen/Taj/Erinn or JT/Taj/Erinn combo. And the realist in me can't see a player risking not taking one of their tribemates -Taj,JT, Stephen- to the end -in fear of risking pissing off the other two and Erinn documenting her game moves to the jury and everyone pissed off at me (mainly if I'm JT or Stephen). I think Erinn has to win the immunities to get there -or at least the final four one. I'm going with O's razor. Stephen's prophecy of JT going on a run comes into play. There's talk of betrayal of JT from Stephen to Erinn or/and Taj. There's tension in the last council about trust and brotherhood blah, blah, blah -but in the end, JT takes Stephen to the final two -Taj hugs them both with no regrets. Total agreeance.
cantthinkofaname		#4805	[-]
Posts: 1418 (05/14/09 10:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chapera rocks wrote: I've always had a bone to pick with the Vis Charts. Why are only subtitled confessionals counted? They don't want to be redundant, that's why they don't put it again. You can't say that an unsubtitled confessional is on the same level as a camp sentence. It makes no sense at all. yeah I have something about that. In the older seasons (which I did VF charts for), particularly africa, they showed the person's name and info much more often when they would have private confessionals. I say, if the person's name and info isn't shown, but it's a different shot, that should be a confessional worth 5 points. On another note, no is going to convince me that Coach was not OTTP tonight. Not only did I find myself actually rooting for him this time, but there was obvious manipulation to make him more P (like with music for example).
RobVanStratus		#4806	[-]
Posts: 8206 (05/14/09 10:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Coach was not P or N, he was just OTT. Erinn definitely got a bitchy edit tonight, deserving of an N. She shit on Coach when he was going to Exile, something noted by JT/Stephen as BAD for her, commenting that it was not right of Erinn to shit all over Coach when everyone else supported her on her Exile trips. She kept bagging on Coach when it was not necessary, she is OTTN. All she did all episode was become a one note, completely over the top player bitching about Coach. OTTN bitch she was tonight, proving her first impression. Erinn's DUN DUN DUN at 4th place Sunday.
Werwanderflugen		#4807	[-]
Posts: 216 (05/14/09 10:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ratings: Coach: OTTN5 (slightly sympathetic P, but mostly mocking N. My brother watched with me tonight -- his first episode of Survivor ever! -- and couldn't believe what a "douchebag" Coach was. He made the astute observation that Coach = Michael Scott! ) Erinn: CPN2 (complexity post-RC regretting her decision, plus TC. I think it's enough for her here) JT: CPP3 (maybe not P. the reward seemed very positive for him. positivity reinforced by Coach.) Stephen: CP3 (clearly.) Taj: MOR2 (yep.) Winner: Stephen (JT's reaction shots after the vote and Coach's final comments are small, but perfect examples of this so-called "penultimate episode doubt") As for who joins him, I could see it as JT or Erinn. Thankfully, Edgic isn't supposed to specialize in F2 losers!
cantthinkofaname		#4808	[-]
Posts: 1419 (05/14/09 10:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LKMOSCAR wrote: Parvati surely wasn't. Well she did only get UTR2, even though she did come off N to some people, like me. Other N's for the second-to-last episode include: Rich, Brian, Jenna, Amber, and Todd. Also some winners just got a late N but not in the second-to-last episode, such as: Sandra (was at least debated in the F7 episode), Yul, Earl, debatabley Aras ( I think he deserved an N for episode 12) Last Edited By: cantthinkofaname 05/14/09 10:46 PM. Edited 1 times.
Drboboosh2		#4809	[-]
Posts: 80 (05/14/09 10:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not that my opinion should carry much weight, but Coach should definitely not be an NN. Despite being a delusional buffoon, he's basically a nice guy.
scepticA		#4810	[-]
Posts: 1648 (05/14/09 10:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	drboboosh, I hear you. I'm still torn. M just doesn't sound right, but upon reading other arguments (I don't mind reconsidering when somebody is booted, and somebody who was eliminated by us within a few nanoseconds of the opening credits) I see the point that others are making. Toneless OTT is very unsatisfying because the editors were clearly creating a tone for him. They were making him out as a cartoon character, and someone I simply couldn't admire or respect because the edit showed him as extraordinarily removed from normalcy. That isn't in the same time zone as P, and just because JT and Stephen thought Erinn was a bitch for what she said about him doesn't change his edit - it just confirms that she was N. But he's definitely not in the normal realm of NN. The problem is he's not in the normal range of any tone. More succinctly, he's not in the normal range. Period. I don't make official ratings this season, so my input on the magic edgic rating site is not relevant. My gosh, what do you give a person who's in a fetal position, whimpering, and not too much farther along is walking normally? And before that was doing his zen starvation warrior schtick?
fat little fingers		#4811	[-]
Posts: 6190 (05/14/09 10:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Frankly, it would be one of the best F2s ever, better than Yul/Oz. Agreed. And I'd be happy if it happens. But... I'm hard-pressed to see anything slightly compelling in the story leading up to anything other than JT/Stephen. In fact, if Stephen/Erinn is the f2 I'd guess that a lot of viewers would sort of say, WTF? I'm looking at it from the view of the long set-up. We've had Stephen talk about his survival since day one. JT has been all about how he knows that as goes Stephen so goes JT, 100%. This ep we have Stephen tell us that he doesn't want to take someone to the F-2 who he can't beat. He was saying it about Coach (? Huh?), but who is it that he really knows that he probably can't beat? Hero leader all-round good ol' boy JT. Who else can't stop telling us how safe she feels, because of her trust in the protection from JT and Stephen? So that leaves the surprise of either or both Taj and JT being blindsided by Stephen. (And what was the last thing Jeff said? He expects more big blindsides.) Maybe WTF shocking to the viewer, but definitely set-up by the edit for, like, ever.
taks		#4812	[-]
Posts: 226 (05/14/09 11:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That episode made me want to throw up. What rating do you give to someone who physically makes you ill every time they appear on screen? And then to do so the entire episode and constantly spew crap was just sickening. Dear Survivor editors, I love a good character; I don't love characters being shoved down my throat. Random thoughts before the ratings: 1. JT's edit has one huge upside and one huge downside this episode in my mind. He had one quote after the reward challenge (maybe during reward) that just came off as ridiculously overconfident. It really didn't seem like winner material at all. Upside? The editors really wanted to remind us that JT does not have this thing wrapped up this episode. The heavy handed editing of Stephen talking about getting rid of threats with a pan to JT with immunity around his neck was a real nice way to throw doubt in there. Follow that up with a lingering shot of JT at the TC results after giving relatively little of Stephen's thought process behind his own decision and I might be able to call that GOOD doubt for a winner going into the finale. Could it just be a setup of JT's fall? Certainly, but I put my money behind JT and I'm not backing out now. 2. Coach was on my screen more often than not. I missed a good 50% of the episode's dialogue because I just tune the dude out. Worst. Distribution. Ever. 3. Given 2, no one got a very substantial edit this episode. Stephen certainly had some very strategic quotes, but it's always possible he has veered too far into mastermind mode. We don't get the same self-deprication that came with his earlier confessionals. He now speaks from a position of power. (Stephen's edit is still fairly bulletproof, I'm just trying to make cracks out of nothing) Ratings: Coach - The episode showed you enough, I'm not even warranting this bafoon with a rating JT - MOR Stephen - MOR? Possibly CP, I'll have to look back at his early confessionals this episode Erinn - MOR? Taj - UTR? Again, everyone just seemed so marginalized because of Coach's massive presence. ETA: I'm still predicting a Stephen/JT F2. To me, it would be the only meaningful wrap up to the season. The season's story was built around their relationship. Stephen as an individual character I don't think would hold up well enough to FTC questions without JT sitting by his side. Again, I've seen this season more as the story of their relationship than as the story of Stephen or the story of JT. Last Edited By: taks 05/14/09 11:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
cantthinkofaname		#4813	[-]
Posts: 1420 (05/14/09 11:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Also, I don't understand why people are saying Coach was more negative than Erinn tonight. Erinn was clearly the most N. She was just a bitch, even when she explained to Taj after the RC about her calling Coach out she still was a bitch. I would guess that a lot of these N moments for Coach were just viewed by some, like me, as just adding to his overwhelming OTTness. I guess I could understand giving them both N, because there are people out there that are like Erinn and Taj who think people like Coach who are very spiritual and into prophetic fantasy theological (don't know correct words) stuff are just nutjobs. Then there's people who are really open-minded and accept and respect what he does even if they aren't into it themselves. The rating other than my own that would be most understandable would be OTTM since there was clearly positive manipulation done for Coach along with this other N stuff that's really just stuff adding to his OTTness or is unjustified or inconclusive N SPV. So all you people thinking of voting P, DON'T BE AFRAID TO. Don't base your votes on what others may think or what you think may be the consensus, because then it's not an accurate consensus.
Katy Carney		#4814	[-]
Posts: 6027 (05/14/09 11:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My problem with JT and Stephen being the final two is there's been no progress in the story. They just ANNOUNCED one day that they were a pair and they've been at the forefront ever since. It didn't build up, it didn't have arcs...it's not a story. At least not a good one. But this whole season has been weird. Two idols, neither used. Two twists (initial vote off w/ idol and optional mutiny), neither mattered. First exile alliance, meaningless. There's been no payoff.
getting real		#4815	[-]
Posts: 1743 (05/14/09 11:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	- The reason why it seems so difficult to decide a tone for Coach, is that it's hard to assign a tone to pity, especially to pity for things that the pitied have brought on themselves. Subjects of pity make us uncomfortable: they provoke elements of both positivity and negativity within us but the overriding emotion is overwhlmingly neither. - Phoenix, I've always rated the penultimate theory for what it tells us about who's not going to win, that person being the one who looks most in control in the penultimate episode. I feel that, despite Stephen controlling the TC vote, it was JT who was shown as in control. Dominant in both challenges, sympathetic to Coach, appearing to be the person regarded by the jury as an honorable, honest player to boot. We are told that Stephen is now the evil wizard. It is JT who is still portrayed as the person who can't lose. He is doomed. - Scep, your consensus with OO was on the money. - Winner: No contest. - F2: As before. Stephen v. someone inconsequential.
taks		#4816	[-]
Posts: 227 (05/14/09 11:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	getting real wrote: - Phoenix, I've always rated the penultimate theory for what it tells us about who's not going to win, that person being the one who looks most in control in the penultimate episode. I feel that, despite Stephen controlling the TC vote, it was JT who was shown as in control. Dominant in both challenges, sympathetic to Coach, appearing to be the person regarded by the jury as an honorable, honest player to boot. We are told that Stephen is now the evil wizard. It is JT who is still portrayed as the person who can't lose. He is doomed. Woah there, not sure where you're getting this read. We got a confessional from Stephen which essentially illustrated how in control he was (as opposed to JT). He told us he knew how JT was going to vote. It was painfully apparent to everyone that Stephen made the TC decision. Stephen said that he would essentially need to get rid of JT this next episode ("get rid of threats" followed by shot of JT with immunity necklace) and we understood that JT had no idea that Coach was going. JT is definitely not in control, now this might not be the edit and might simply be reality, but I think it's fallacious to state that he looks most in control. JT did win both those challenges, but there was no additional focus given to his challenge wins. In fact, both of his wins were sort of glossed over in favor of the drama of Coach. He was sympathetic to Coach and is regarded as honorable, which would be great reasons for him to win if he was at the end. But with Stephen willing to cut his throat, Erinn doing anything she can to get herself further and Taj playing the "anyone but me strategy", how is JT supposed to get to the end?
getting real		#4817	[-]
Posts: 1744 (05/14/09 11:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	taks wrote: how is JT supposed to get to the end? Ah, Taks, that's precisely the reason why there hasn't been any doubt at all that Stephen and JT are going all the way to the finals. The audience has been conditioned to expect it. They have also had hammered into them the notion that, as far as the jury is concerned, JT walks on water and wears a halo. The penultimate episode merely reinforced those two notions.
dissimilis		#4818	[-]
Posts: 6793 (05/14/09 11:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	getting real wrote: - The reason why it seems so difficult to decide a tone for Coach, is that it's hard to assign a tone to pity, especially to pity for things that the pitied have brought on themselves. Subjects of pity make us uncomfortable: they provoke elements of both positivity and negativity within us but the overriding emotion is overwhlmingly neither. The whole pity thing definitely makes the tone a bit more tricky, but for me the pity is a very, very negative thing when the person brings this pity onto themselves by being such a tool the whole season that people (in and out of the game) automatically roll their eyes when he opens his mouth. I mean, you can argue whether or not Coach was faking and exaggerating the whole injury thing, but what does that say for him that people think he is faking? Pity can be positive if its due to bad circumstances, but I find it overly negative when you bring it upon yourself. For me I ended up rolling my eyes at Stephen and JT that they could be so gullible to even think of falling for Coach's bullshit and I loved that Taj and Erinn were not buying that crap. This line of thinking could just be a side effect of my not being a nice or sympathetic person though. Last Edited By: dissimilis 05/14/09 11:36 PM. Edited 1 times.
taks		#4819	[-]
Posts: 228 (05/14/09 11:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	getting real wrote: taks wrote: how is JT supposed to get to the end? Ah, Taks, that's precisely the reason why there hasn't been any doubt at all that Stephen and JT are going all the way to the finals. The audience has been conditioned to expect it. They have also had hammered into them the notion that, as far as the jury is concerned, JT walks on water and wears a halo. The penultimate episode merely reinforced those two notions. Uh... I guess I'm just not seeing it? How is having a scene devoted to Stephen telling us that he can't take JT to the end reinforcing the notion that Stephen and JT are going all the way to the finals? How is having a scene devoted to Stephen telling us how JT is going to vote, but that Stephen might vote differently reinforcing the notion that Stephen and JT are going all the way to the finals? How is having a lingering shot of JT, upset, after the TC results are shown reinforcing the notion that Stephen and JT are going all the way to the finals?
BlakeB717		#4820	[-]
Posts: 1542 (05/15/09 12:00 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm going on a trip this entire weekend so I won't even see the finale when it airs! However, I am going to say that most likely Stephen wins, even though JT is my pick and I still have hope. Stephen got the exact line tonight that I wanted to see from him. But I'm still going with JT. Maybe we'll be in for a surprise and Taj wins!

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