5/13/09 S5 Finale "The Incident"

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El Bingo Gringo		#501	[-]
Posts: 2686 (05/14/09 1:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	500 incidents
cindidindi76		#502	[-]
Posts: 17915 (05/14/09 2:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	502 conundrums.
Lilasu		#503	[-]
Posts: 624 (05/14/09 2:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love that scenario from a couple of pages back, and also the idea that they may be able to bring these memories into the new timeline like Daniel's rats. So what if ... only the time travelers who were exposed to the nuke/incident were able to have the memories? Jin would remember, and Sun would not. (sob!) Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Sayid would remember. Locke would not. Probably Ben and the others would not, or would they have even survived? Juliet? It would answer if Claire were dead or alive all this time ... if she remembers or not. LOVE the idea of them landing on the island. LOVE it.
yoshi		#504	[-]
Posts: 2139 (05/14/09 2:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WiscBadger95 wrote: managerr wrote: Really hate this Jacob vs. Anti-Jacob storyline. If this is going to be the focal point of Season 5, no thanks. Gotta agree with that. If the final season is all about a power struggle between two ancient titans that we didn't really meet until the end of this season, I'll be pissed. I'm hoping that it turns out that neither Jacob or [Esau] are truly good or truly evil--and that all the pawns in the game end up rebelling against both of the puppet masters.
WiscBadger95		#505	[-]
Posts: 14132 (05/14/09 2:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	twonyx wrote: WiscBadger95 wrote: twonyx wrote: So, then I thought about the bomb. The bomb blows up and Oceanic doesn't crash. The losties never go back in time. No one sets off the bomb. The plane still crashes. It would have had to be someone like Richard to set off the bomb, for the bomb to not be affected by the plane crashing or not crashing. But, why would someone like Richard do that without one of the losties time traveling and telling him to do that. And then back to the loop. Richard does it, the plane never crashes, the losties never time travel, Richard never is told to set off bomb. Plane still crashes. Which is why it was Juliet who sets off the bomb. She was never on Oceanic 815. She was recruits by the Ben-led Others to come to the Island in 2001. O.K., but why would Juliet set off a bomb if she never met Sawyer? Let's play this out... Juliet comes to the island to help Ben and the others with child birth...The plane NEVER crashes. Juliet never meets the losties. In fact, Locke NEVER turns the donkey wheel. So, if Ben turned the wheel for some reason, it may have never stopped skipping and Juliet would have NO reason to detonate a bomb... So, now no bomb, the swan gets built. Desmond doesn't push the button. The plane crashes. The losties go back in time and detonate a bomb, the swan is never built, the plane never crashes (lands in L.A. on schedule), so no one goes back in time and the bomb is never set off and the Swan gets built. And the plane crashes. That's the whole problem with time travel stories. At least when they remade The Time Machine a few years ago, they dealt with it honestly. The guy could never go back in time to save his girlfriend's life, because if he did, it would erase the only reason he finished building his time machine.
Jericoholic43		#506	[-]
Posts: 1705 (05/14/09 2:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Here are a few things I was thinking about today. Was Ms. Hawking aware Locke would become Jacobs rival? What about Widmore? I dont get why they would use 2 seasons to build up this Widmore character only to make him insignificant in the end. He talked about a war and Locke being on the right side. What side does he think is the right side? I am also starting to think Richard was on the black rock. Didnt Widmore buy some sort of Journal written by the captain or something? And its possible that whoever wrote that journal came into contact with Jacob or this anit Jacob. Who knows what Widmore already knew and who knows what he learned from that Journal but something tells me that he didnt just use that journal to find the Island witht he freighter which is why I thought he got it in the first place
blissroc		#507	[-]
Posts: 21 (05/14/09 3:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	changed to Juliet thread - Last Edited By: blissroc 05/14/09 3:23 PM. Edited 1 times.
Hostile6		#508	[-]
Posts: 1191 (05/14/09 3:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jericoholic43 wrote: Here are a few things I was thinking about today. Was Ms. Hawking aware Locke would become Jacobs rival? What about Widmore? I dont get why they would use 2 seasons to build up this Widmore character only to make him insignificant in the end. He talked about a war and Locke being on the right side. What side does he think is the right side? I am also starting to think Richard was on the black rock. Didnt Widmore buy some sort of Journal written by the captain or something? And its possible that whoever wrote that journal came into contact with Jacob or this anit Jacob. Who knows what Widmore already knew and who knows what he learned from that Journal but something tells me that he didnt just use that journal to find the Island witht he freighter which is why I thought he got it in the first place He staged the crash site so no one would look for the passengers and find the island. He also wanted to kill everyone on the island after Ben was taken into custody. Widmore seems to share Flocke's belief that people finding the island is bad... Just my interpratation. Honestly, I don't know who is good or evil. I also think good and evil are relative on the island. Those who find redemption are good, those who don't are evil.
CoconutPhone		#509	[-]
Posts: 16583 (05/14/09 3:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah who says we've sen the last of Widdy or that he's no longer important. He can play a big part in the upcoming war between Jacob/Esau if that's where the show goes.
scepticA		#510	[-]
Posts: 1642 (05/14/09 3:30 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The 316'ers with their booty of dead Locke were working for Widmore. They asked for "Ricardus" or something like that. Alpert knew they were talking about him. He answered the question in Latin, and they seemed almost overjoyed. So how did they know about the question, the answer, and Ricardus? Because of the Black Rock's journal, in which the captain (or first mate, or whatever) was named Ricardus. That was info Widmore gave them. The question wasn't just a sign to the 316'ers that they found the right person (not sure what they're going to do with Richard, though, because showing them dead Locke couldn't possibly have been their reason to get to the island). The question was also a sign to Richard that these people know about him, his past life, and the Black Rock. And sheesh - another group of semi-violent people who insist that they are the good guys.
cindidindi76		#511	[-]
Posts: 17927 (05/14/09 3:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jericoholic43 wrote: I am also starting to think Richard was on the black rock. Didnt Widmore buy some sort of Journal written by the captain or something? And its possible that whoever wrote that journal came into contact with Jacob or this anit Jacob. Who knows what Widmore already knew and who knows what he learned from that Journal but something tells me that he didnt just use that journal to find the Island witht he freighter which is why I thought he got it in the first place I would love if Jacob is trickytricky and has been residing in Richards body for ages. I'm hoping that it turns out that neither Jacob or [Esau] are truly good or truly evil--and that all the pawns in the game end up rebelling against both of the puppet masters. It wouldn't surprise me, they seem to be fans of grey on this show. I don't think the 316ers are working for Widmore, in fact after last night it seems they are working for Jacob, imo. If Richard worte the journal, he would know what was in it, and Jacob would know, and if Jacob knew it's possible Ilana knew, since it seems they've had more interactions that just what we saw last night.
Jericoholic43		#512	[-]
Posts: 1706 (05/14/09 3:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe Flocke got whoever it was that wrote the journal from the Black Rock to write down information either hoping or knowing Widmore would get ahold of it and use the information to create this loophole that Flocke needed. Didnt Locke tell Widmore that Richard, who was told by Flocke that he had to die? I forgot what Widmore said but he didnt seem suprised or that he cared. And Widmore probablly had someone working for him get on the plane.
blur2k		#513	[-]
Posts: 717 (05/14/09 3:40 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe the white light we saw at the end wasn't the bomb going off but another time flash caused by the magnetic disturbance as we've seen previously with the white light. Every time they've flashed so far seems to be to a significant point in time. Maybe season 6 starts with them being thrown back into the period of time when the Black Rock arrives and Jacob and Anti-Jacob are existing.
Jericoholic43		#514	[-]
Posts: 1707 (05/14/09 3:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think when the Black Rock came to the Island for whatever reason Jacob choose Richard for this position of setting up this cult on the Island we know as the Others. He blessed Richard giving him whatever powers he has and Richard has been the Advisor the the leader ever since. Flocke didnt like people coming to the Island. He would most deffinatly be against a plan to build some sort of society there.
FeliciaM7		#515	[-]
Posts: 7801 (05/14/09 3:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe the white light we saw at the end wasn't the bomb going off but another time flash caused by the magnetic disturbance as we've seen previously with the white light. Or both. Is it ok to say the writers said time travel is over? I like the idea of flashing to the Black Rock period and seeing more of Jacob and anti-Jacob but I really want them back in present time sooooon!!
bxwl9		#516	[-]
Posts: 615 (05/14/09 3:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I like the idea that centered around what if they are back on the plane and they land in LA but they remember everything? Faraday's experiments were all about making the conscious travel through time. Remember when Desmond visited Faraday at Oxford? The mouse (named Eloise) ran a maze that it hadn't be taught to run yet. Maybe the explosion makes them all become Desmond's... If they live together (thus, being each other's constants) then they don't die alone.
cindidindi76		#517	[-]
Posts: 17931 (05/14/09 3:57 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think they're all going to flash to present time, personally. Still on the island, but reunited. All the living people, anyways.
yoshi		#518	[-]
Posts: 2140 (05/14/09 4:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mega64 wrote: Fuck Kate. Fuck her dead. That would make for an interesting porno!
Hostile6		#519	[-]
Posts: 1192 (05/14/09 4:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cindidindi76 wrote: I think they're all going to flash to present time, personally. Still on the island, but reunited. All the living people, anyways. Yeah, I agree... One of the things that's bothered me was TPTB and the cast talking about how shocking the finale was... Which I thought was either misdirection or something from left field would happen. Certainly Locke being dead was shocking, and Jacob getting killed too, but the nuke thing was not shocking at all. It's what was built up and expected. We knew the 77 club was going to be involved in the incident. So why not show us the results of Juliet smacking a nuke with a rock? Simply because the answer is obvious, we're going to 2007, the present and that's not shocking one bit and frankly, that's OK. I don't think shocking is the same as great TV, the journey is important. It's just a shame that the 1977 journey was incredibly shitty. The love quadrangle making a decesion of great magnitude and connsequence based on who is fucking, who isn't fucking, and wants to be fucking. Kinda lame... JMO. Anyway, like Jacob said, there is only 1 end, everything else is progress. This inidcates to me that you can't change the past and WHH. the '77 club caused "The Incident" in 1977 and that results in them going back 2007. Jacob also said "they're coming" before being shoved into the fire (that was wicked awesome) and that seems to indicate either The others or the 77 crew. Considering Jacob spent the episodes visiting each of them, I'm guessing the 77 club.
CrystalOwnage		#520	[-]
Posts: 384 (05/14/09 5:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am sure it has been said, but I think Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve. You guys have probably already proved that impossible or already knew it, but I don't look into the show as deep as you guys do. Oh yeah, almost forgot... FUCK KATE THAT STUPID C.UNT

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