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Kirblar		#21	[-]
Posts: 7832 (05/10/09 12:57 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The odd thing about Erinn v Stephen is that they both have the "personal growth edit of DOOM" that normally indicates (like with Ken or Cirie) that they're not in the finals. But both of them have received that type of edit.
Apple6666		#22	[-]
Posts: 908 (05/10/09 2:23 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How abot the spolier that TAJ is final juror.
Trixiego		#23	[-]
Posts: 16860 (05/10/09 6:53 PM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Apple6666 wrote: How abot the spolier that TAJ is final juror. Apple, did you notice we locked the thread? Whatever you read in that thread, disregard it.
Apple6666		#24	[-]
Posts: 913 (05/10/09 8:39 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	is it possible TAJ is 4th place.
ModestyBlaiser		#25	[-]
Posts: 128 (05/10/09 9:29 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not being deliberately contrary but.... Something bothered me about one of JT's confessionals last episode. He talked about Debbie having been with Coach since day 1 and switching to stab him in the back. He then continued - you have to be wary about a person like that. This could have merely been a prelude to Debbie's boot but I spotted something more sinister through my warped lenses. At no point did he make mention in that confessional that he's in the same boat with Stephen. Early alliance discussion between Stephen and JT showed a lot of snake imagery. I agree that coach is destined to go wreck all the fun at Ponderosa... But I think Stephen will team with the girls to boot JT next after that. He's our hero for the season - hero's invariably get stabbed by those closest to them. Stepehen is no dummy - he can't beat JT - and he's playing to win. He'd then boot Taj as the most likable and take good ol' hated Erin with him to the final two. I see Erin getting a vote from Sierra and Stephen getting the rest. I should counter this speculation with some comfort that I'm almost always wrong.
birdlady		#26	[-]
Posts: 2617 (05/10/09 10:12 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If that's how it plays out, what is JT's arc? He was the golden boy right up until he wasn't? That doesn't seem like a very good story. Everyone else has an arc and an ending that doesn't involve winning, but the only way JT can conclude is first place.
ModestyBlaiser		#27	[-]
Posts: 129 (05/10/09 10:24 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I dunno BL. I should have prefaced with my sucktitude as well as closing with it. I'm nototriously caught up in minor story lines that lead me up the wrong path. I think JT was the superhero leader, then lovable underdog. He's morphing into controlling power figure. Has he shown too much confidence? It's slight but it's there. We've seen more of it in him that we have in Stephen.... but he hasn't been arrogant or negative enough to show a fallen hero style edit (ie. Terry, Ozzy, Matty, Rupert blah blah). Maybe just too trusting - the country boy who trusted the city kid.... took his hand, showed him the ropes and then got lassooed by him and sent flying to Ponderosa. I'm trying to avoid the obvious JT/Stepehen dream finish. (Which seems inevitable)
EPR2012		#28	[-]
Posts: 108 (05/10/09 10:36 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Perhaps JT catches word that Stephen is planning on taking him out first chance he gets, and JT turns the tables on Stephen.... I could see Erinn realizing she has no chance against either and blabbing... who knows
rower	Episode 12 - Story Arcs	#29	[-]
Posts: 2064 (05/10/09 10:41 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have posted this elsewhere... please forgive me for being redundant. A JT/Stephen final two would ironically be the answer to Coach's dream of having the strongest players at the end. It would explain the constant fixation by JP and the editors to replay Coach's steel against steel, only strong players till the end, change the whole game, blah, blah, blah.... Things that Coach preached but as we have seen he didn't really practice. I'm sure Coach gave the editors plenty of other entertainment fodder they could have put into the show but this has been a recurring theme., one that has gone on all season IF JT/Stephen do get to the end together because they refuse to back-stab each other and go to the finals together instead of taking someone who they knew they had a better chance of beating.... Well, I hate to say it but it really would be a change in the game. Not that Coach caused it by his game-play (unless you count his stupidity). But no final two goat, no picking the one you think you could beat at final TC but weighing in against your strongest competitor. Something to think about.
ModestyBlaiser		#30	[-]
Posts: 130 (05/10/09 11:17 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Interesting.... we've seen the strong men to the end THEORY before (Lex/Ethan, Ian/Tom) but it never did pan out. The twist may be that it actually goes ahead this time. I think I've just believed in two great players at the end too many times and had my heart broken. If I campaign strongly enough against it, my miraculous ability to always be wrong should then guarantee it should happen this time. So... I think Erin has played a superb game given the cards she was dealt (read: Coach!) but she'd make a perfect goat. Too good a goat to resist? My counter-support knows no boundaries.
Apple6666		#31	[-]
Posts: 917 (05/10/09 11:54 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Are you saying if Erinn doesnt win the Final 4 IC she still wont be booted.
ModestyBlaiser		#32	[-]
Posts: 131 (05/11/09 12:15 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I know nothing Apple.. just so as you understand. I'm saying that logically (and we know that tired, emotional and hungry people are not logical), who would you want sitting next to you at the final tribal council, to maximise your chances of winning a million dollars? The former Timbera on the jury never liked her and then got ousted largely as a result of her preceived betrayal (but who could blame her really?) She has only a tactical connection to the Jollipals - not a personal connection it would seem. Perfect.... I'd take her. Of course, I'm well fed, rested, clean and not suffering from any emotional trauma that would control my judgement.
crocophile		#33	[-]
Posts: 10652 (05/11/09 3:09 AM) MESS Moderator More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rower you are quite correct it would ironically answer Coach's quest. However if one of JT or Stephen were confident he could beat the other and stay loyal, it would still be keeping with the game. If JT has Taj and Stephen as his F3 partners and wins the F3 IC challenge he can pick his poisin. I think he'd win against either. I'm leaning to Erinn goes this week. Coach is not a threat and has this uhum injury. Erinn would be a greater threat in the typical hand-on or balancy F3 IC (they wouldn't know about the building blocks IC in Gabon) . She's provided Stephen, Taj & JT a reason to axe her...her mouth. Last Edited By: crocophile 05/11/09 3:25 AM. Edited 1 times.
birdlady		#34	[-]
Posts: 2619 (05/11/09 7:47 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah, I just finally figured that out last night. This is a feel-good season, after the Gabon nastiness. (Yes, previouslies, I'm looking at you.) So JT and Stephen are not only the strongest players, they're nice guys.
Martrae		#35	[-]
Posts: 1785 (05/11/09 9:26 AM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If JT and Stephen go to FTC together I wouldn't count Stephen out. Judging from Coach's approbation of him at the last TC he'd have at least that vote and as smart as he is, he'd make one hell of an argument for why he should win.
rower	Episode 12 - Story Arcs	#36	[-]
Posts: 2068 (05/11/09 9:35 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If JT/Stephen are the final two it would make for an awesome finale. You can make a strong case for both of them to win and there would be no certainty in the vote. The winner would not be a foregone conclusion AND most of us would be happy with either one winning.
cindidindi76		#37	[-]
Posts: 17768 (05/11/09 2:56 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Agreed. I would really enjoy a final TC where the winner isn't a foregone conclusion.
Schadenfreude		#38	[-]
Posts: 798 (05/11/09 7:35 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think we're supposed to be cheering for a JT and Stephen final two... Coach gets what he wants, a battle of the titans, and I must admit, I love finals where you have some truly well-matched strong competitors. In a scenario where the two meet up, although I perceive Stephen to be the stronger strategist, but I kind of think JT's style of play is flashier, more easily noticed, and he's more of a physical competitor. I have no idea if that original Exile Island alliance with Brendan and Sierra would help or hurt Stephen in terms of getting their votes. I must say, I'd rather Stephen won, but a JT win is easily understandable. I want that final two, but so often, that doesn't happen and we'll end up with Erinn or Taj getting routed in the final by one of the boys. Taj, I feel, is a distraction. We're supposed to like her, we're supposed to respect her, and we're supposed to empathize with her missing her baby, but at the same time, we're supposed to understand where she fits in with JT and Stephen. I do wonder, in terms of her endgame plan, if she is expecting a two or three person final vote? If Taj is expecting a final three, her game makes more sense. In a two-person finale, she's going to have to win the final immunity for the chance to presumably lose to JT or Stephen. Erinn is the oddity. She's kind of a lone wolf, which usually doesn't bode well for endgame longevity, but I feel like she's maximized her chances and made more friends on the jury than she had at the merge. I guess she could go on an immunity run to make the final, but I just can't see how she can rise above second place, because she just doesn't have the votes, even against Coach. Coach has worn out his welcome, and I'm just kind of tired of watching him. Instead of joy, when he's eventually voted out, I'm going to feel that kind of peaceful calm you get in your stomach after you throw up... more relief than pleasure.
donutsrule		#39	[-]
Posts: 429 (05/11/09 8:23 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rower wrote: If JT/Stephen are the final two it would make for an awesome finale. You can make a strong case for both of them to win and there would be no certainty in the vote. The winner would not be a foregone conclusion AND most of us would be happy with either one winning. I'd like this. Didn't Jeff's last blog say something about 'who could guess from the merge they'd still be there?'. He should shoot the editors if he thought that for real.
Trixiego		#40	[-]
Posts: 16873 (05/12/09 6:45 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm trying to avoid the obvious JT/Stepehen dream finish. (Which seems inevitable) I'm so curious on your reason for this statement (not in a bad way, I've been honestly curious about other people making this statement although I do know that some people just can't stand the whole male final two thing; I'm just actually looking for some insight) Prefacing this with the disclaimer that while this is my opinion, this is also not saying that JT/Stephen would have been MY preference as the final two if they were so I am really coming from a place of just looking at the entire season and the end result and a general opinion - I had other favorites but I am being objective just in the capacity of viewing the show and how it was presented. I think this is a great final two should it happen. We have gotten to know both of them where I don't feel ripped off that I didn't get to know about them and wonder who the hell they are; they have had a great alliance and friendship so I've been able to follow that; they both have played the game in their own way and I haven't had to scratch my head and question if I missed something and what is nice is seeing how they are so different yet they meshed playing so well (yin/yang). While both of them do have their flaws (as any winner has) they worked this game from a deficit to ingratiating themselves with everyone which is kinda amazing to me. I also find them both generally likeable and neither are "bland" individuals and they've both been involved in most of the story lines happening and I love that they can also be parlayed into a shtick (as Survivor likes to do) with the whole warrior vs. wizard scenario. They have some semblance of tie to every juror there in some capacity (either by virtue of alliance or being integral on voting that person out) and they have their own relationships together with others as well as individually with others. I know that people have their preferences (as do I) and that is fine but my preferences aside, I still think if they are the final two, it would be a fine outcome to this season and while I know that many enjoy the nasty that happens at FTC, it would actually be very cool to see a jury made up of a one former tribe that got completely bamboozled by a minority other former tribe who truly appreciated the game play that landed them in the jury and give kudos appropriately.

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