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S18 Ep 11 - Challenge (obstacle)

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birdlady		#41	[-]
Posts: 2579 (05/06/09 7:37 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is this even this week's challenge? Cause if it is, it is LONG. Why is Taj holding a 2x4? Neither Stephen not JT seems to have anything in their hands - either they're still on their way out, or it's something you have to remember. Memorize the whirling operation symbols? Knock the one you want off with the stick? Here's another 2x4 in the background. Something like they have to use the pole to hook something and drag it towards them? Is this the "tricky" part?
diRkdARyL.survivorphilipp...		#42	[-]
Posts: 785 (05/06/09 7:59 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: We can see the green table, and part of the white, which seem lined up with the green and white lanes. Should we be able to see part of the yellow table if there really are six tables? --------------------------------^^ i think this the tip of the yeLLow tabLe.. Definitely two more empty tables in the background. Would they run a first round with six, then only eliminate two people for the next round? Seems like it's usually in threes... i think they are on tabLe whiLe others are on the obstacLe.. Last Edited By: diRkdARyL 05/06/09 8:01 AM. Edited 1 times.
Oowatanite		#43	[-]
Posts: 7521 (05/06/09 8:56 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So they race along an obstacle course, memorize the math symbols, run back along the course, try an answer for the equation, and if they're wrong, they hafta go back along the course and try again, until they get the right answer. Just like Palau's F5 IC. JT or Stephen wins (thanks CBS) while Taj is working at the table and Coach is under the rope obstacle. I don't think there are any "stages" for this challenge.
truedorktimes		#44	[-]
Posts: 631 (05/06/09 9:07 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm thinking the far end of the course has the numbers they need for the math equation, and the first leg is racing through the obstacle course to that end, memorizing the numbers, going back and writing them down. First two to get them right advance (which, yes, is probably where the hug takes place - Probst is there to check they got them right). Then in the second stage, they look at the spinning books to see what the math operations are, then use them with the numbers to solve the equation. It looks to me like that is set up for only two people, based on the number of "books", unless the Probst preview only shows one person's books (although that seems like an impossibly long set of numbers to memorize, if so).
Heliox		#45	[-]
Posts: 2212 (05/06/09 9:07 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe the long poles are to get the math symbols moving so that they can see them. Last Edited By: Heliox 05/06/09 9:10 AM. Edited 1 times.
Oowatanite		#46	[-]
Posts: 7524 (05/06/09 9:20 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	TDT, what makes you think that the numbers are not already provided for the players and they are just going for the math symbols ?
truedorktimes		#47	[-]
Posts: 632 (05/06/09 9:25 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They're facing the opposite direction to the obstacle course at the tables, so the spinning books are probably behind the starting line. And it looks like JT and Stephen are looking up as they're writing, so it looks like it's right in front of them. On the other hand, upon further review, I think the Probst preview really does show only one set of spinning books, because it all has the green pattern in front of it. So that's a lot of digits to keep track of.
Oowatanite		#48	[-]
Posts: 7525 (05/06/09 9:33 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Okay, I'm confused. The "spinning books" have the math symbols on them, right ? I agree that there's only one set of symbols that all players have to memorize. I don't see any numbers on anything other than the chalkboard.
birdlady		#49	[-]
Posts: 2580 (05/06/09 10:11 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Have they ever done a "stages" one before where the second stage was set up for all the players, but only a few advanced? It sure seems like the simplest explanation for having six tables is that six people are writing equations. The vidcap with the equation seems to be on a white table. Maybe dreamteamer, maybe Stephen. The first two symbols written there are the first two on the green "spinning books" (??!!) It would be sorta silly to have multiple sets of symbols, one for each player, if they were all the same and people could easily see the other players' sets anyways.
truedorktimes		#50	[-]
Posts: 633 (05/06/09 10:12 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yes, the math symbols are on the spinning books. I agree it's possible they're at the far end of the obstacle course, but I think it's more likely they're behind the starting line, since the table face away from the obstacle course. And I think the numbers are what Taj is staring at, past the ropes course - it's just that they're off-screen, and we can't see them. The reason I think it's two stages is that I can't see JT giddily hugging anybody who'd just beaten him in a challenge, even if it's Stephen. So ILT's idea that it's after the first leg makes sense.
BJ		#51	[-]
Posts: 6248 (05/06/09 12:01 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think the spinning symbols are behind the start line. My take is they start off by digging up something, go through the obstacles, then use the dug up item with the pole to reveal the digits. I think each player has a different set of digits. They then memorize and run back, fill in the equation and try to get the correct answer. If they are wrong they go back to check their digits again or check their math again. I think it is one stage and JT wins. Steven looks more resigned but happy enough that his alliance mate won.
MissRabbit		#52	[-]
Posts: 818 (05/06/09 1:24 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A few things i just noticed.... here are the tables (LtoR) yellow, green, grey, brown, blue, orange. Why JT's green table doesn't have the white stripe between the colours is beyond me but i don't think it means anything. We know from other caps that the wide eraser tray is on the farthest side of the chalkboard from the challenge. So in this shot, with JT & Stephen bellied up to the chalkboard side without the eraser tray, it stands to reason the challenge is at their backs. Also confirming this is the fact there is the brown, blue and orange tables behind them (and jt & stephen are in reversed order) Also something to note, someone (taj) is at the blue table and is in the process of removing the cover sheet from her chalkboard. If there were no numbers or anything on it, there would be no need to hide it. Since the orange chalkboard still has its cover, odds are that Erinn is behind Taj at this stage. I agree with what others have said about the poles. They definately look to be used to activate the spinning math symbols. If it were to retrieve something, taj wouldn't just be holding it loosely while staring straight ahead. The question that comes to mind with this is, if there is only ONE set of spinning symbols, why would there be a need for multiple poles? Couldn't a survivor just stand there watching other people as the symbols spin and reap the benefits of extra memorizing time? It would stand to reason that each one has a different set of symbols & numbers...all of which add up to the same end total so it's easy for Jeffy to verify the right answer. Add to the cap of Taj staring while JT is running back, the cap above would confirm they are about to head back to the chalkboards in that JT & Stephen are at the chalkboards when Taj (blue) arrives to rip off her blue cover and begin. Oowatanite said: TDT, what makes you think that the numbers are not already provided for the players and they are just going for the math symbols ? This cap, to me, seems clear that they only have to fill in the math symbols. The majority of the chalkboard is dusty looking. However, in between each perfectly spaced digit, there is a darker area on the chalkboard. This is the proverbial "fill in the spaces provided" spots on the table. My guess is that the digits were already there (on the dusty parts) and the survivors just add the math symbols (on the dark spots) Also a thing that's got me curious is the other darker area below the equation that has dashes. It's two lines long, judging from the alloted darker area. That would make it seem like they come up with some sort of word/phrase solution which makes no sense to me. how can they go from an equation solution to that? At first i thought it was just 2 dashes for them to write the 2 digit solution, but considering there were 10 math symbols (making that equation super long) it doesn't make sense to put the location for them to write the 2 digit solution way over on the left like that. oh and final thoughts, this table is Stephen's. The grey strip is visible on the table leg there to the left as well as the grey sides to the table. not that it really tells us anything.
truedorktimes		#53	[-]
Posts: 634 (05/06/09 2:09 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is there any reason to believe the closeup of the chalkboard (with the numbers) isn't a dreamteam run-through? It's a pretty complicated challenge, and that seems like something they'd definitely want a shot of during Probst's pre-IC spiel.
birdlady		#54	[-]
Posts: 2581 (05/06/09 2:43 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It is awfully controlled handwriting... The dashes at the bottom of the slate concern me. Their obvious role would be to write the answers of the calculation above. Except everyone knows that you solve arithmatic expression by just starting at the left and plowing your way through. Just like everyone knows just because you make F5 doesn't mean you have a one-in-five chance at a million dollars.
BJ		#55	[-]
Posts: 6250 (05/06/09 2:56 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think that is a dream-team vidcap. It is way too neat for a contestant during a challenge.
rower	Ep. 11 - Challenge (Obstacle	#56	[-]
Posts: 2045 (05/06/09 4:17 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The photo where JP is shown looking at one of the puzzles (speculated to be reviewing the winning puzzle) and the photo of JT and Stephen hugging are shot from different sides. JP appears to be a few feet away from JT/Stephen so I am thinking that JP is looking at JT's puzzle and that JT has won immunity. (Which is why JT is so happy... duh)
rower	Ep. 11 - Challenge (Obstacle)	#57	[-]
Posts: 2046 (05/06/09 4:21 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Also in the first picture of JT and Stephen running, note that they both have sand on their legs and knees. They are obviously on the "return" trip. Stephen is slightly ahead because he is already high-stepping through the ropes. JT's ropes are shown at the bottom of the photo and he is a few steps away from reaching that point.
Martrae		#58	[-]
Posts: 1756 (05/06/09 4:32 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you're talking about this shot, rower, this isn't a side-by-side pic. Notice the border going down the center? There's no telling the timeframe these two pics were taken.
MissRabbit		#59	[-]
Posts: 819 (05/06/09 5:32 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: It is awfully controlled handwriting... The dashes at the bottom of the slate concern me. Their obvious role would be to write the answers of the calculation above. Except everyone knows that you solve arithmatic expression by just starting at the left and plowing your way through. Just like everyone knows just because you make F5 doesn't mean you have a one-in-five chance at a million dollars. If the numbers were already placed there and all the survivors are doing is inserting the math symbols, the numbers being controllingly written don't mean anything. A production staff not under a time crunch could neatly chalk out the numbers that we see here. Same with the nice even dash marks. I still think the color variation on the chalkboard is the key to show what parts of the equation the survivors have to fill in and what is pre-filled in for them. And yeah, i still can't figure out the dashes at the bottom. I keep thinking maybe there's some encryption key at the top half of their chalkboards so the numbers correspond with letters or something, but that wouldn't work as the equation answer would be only one set of numbers. certainly not enough to spell out anything. lets out primal Coach yell of frustration
OFGtheory		#60	[-]
Posts: 8 (05/06/09 6:23 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Those dashes bother me too. Maybe the ANSWER isn't the end of a calculation string. It could be that each operation along the way yields a number, which gets written on the corresponding dash, and those digits have operators, and there is a third set of digits, and they are the combination to a lock, which opens and releases a flag (or one of those nifty signs that a challenge is complete). A mistake in one answer would have a domino effect and it would be hard to know where you went wrong without rechecking all the numbers and operators. The math problem is not hard, so it seems like memory would have to be the key, and the memorization would be challenging because they have to hold onto it while they run the course and back. I see TDT's point that the spinning operators look to be near the tables, but how hard is that to accomplish? Why does JP say this is BRILLIANT? I know he's full of hype, but I don't see anything even BRIGHT about that, if the numbers are already written in and the operators are in sight of the tables.

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S18 Ep 11 - Challenge (obstacle)