Who Ruined Each Season?

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Thailandsurvivor		#261	[-]
Posts: 6521 (04/29/09 3:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: I'm going off of my feelings at the time when watching and crying... FvF: Ugh! These fans (aside from Kathy) were just dull, dull, dull. If they're going to be cast alongside strong characters from the past, make it equal in the insane department. And Amanda again, really? Sure, she's a clever player but that's good for a poker game, not a televised event. Courtney turning it down is the person who ruined the season for me. And probably Fairplay's quitting in episode one. Also, James is a little too low keyed for my taste. Again, I'm sure a lovely person to grab a drink with, but we need a pulse on a tv show -his dad's one comment outshone him. Say what you want about Parvarti, but she knows how to game, and she knows how to work the camera. Also, hated to see Eliza be treated like a chump. This Season -I know it starts with a T: Don't know. Kind of feeling it, but the editing is a little too lopsided. Where's Debbie, Erinn and Sierra? The Coach/JT overboard editing is a little too Rupert for my taste. You complain about the casting in Micronesia, yet this season, where everyone is actually allowed to talk and get screen time, people are shoved down our throats? Although I wouldn't really clasify anyone this season as boring, I think you've got it backwards.
seltzer3		#262	[-]
Posts: 1113 (04/29/09 4:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Fans (All but Tracy...and maybe Kathy) ruined Micronesia. It was somewhat disappointing because more of the fans were too busy falling in love in Ozzy than trying to win the game. Erik and Jason were the worst.
tullfan2		#263	[-]
Posts: 3357 (04/29/09 5:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	seltzer3 wrote: The Fans (All but Tracy...and maybe Kathy) ruined Micronesia. It was somewhat disappointing because more of the fans were too busy falling in love in Ozzy than trying to win the game. Erik and Jason were the worst. Joel ruined the season. If he would have opted to appease MikeyB and keep the tribe strong by getting rid of Chet and Kathy, the Fans might have had a chance. After the switch, he changed his tune completely and instead wanted to keep the tribe strong. Ironically, the Favorites did to Joel exactly what he did to Mary and Mikey. The switch episode was fun to watch but the outcome ended any chance that a Fan would win.
Thailandsurvivor		#264	[-]
Posts: 6525 (04/29/09 11:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	seltzer3 wrote: The Fans (All but Tracy...and maybe Kathy) ruined Micronesia. It was somewhat disappointing because more of the fans were too busy falling in love in Ozzy than trying to win the game. Erik and Jason were the worst. Editing does that to people, but it's so sad how many sucksters fell for it.
chapera rocks		#265	[-]
Posts: 10876 (04/29/09 11:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: seltzer3 wrote: The Fans (All but Tracy...and maybe Kathy) ruined Micronesia. It was somewhat disappointing because more of the fans were too busy falling in love in Ozzy than trying to win the game. Erik and Jason were the worst. Editing does that to people, but it's so sad how many sucksters fell for it. Well lets break it down, using not only the show but post-show interviews: Mary - who? She got in with Mikey B, but was third wheel to Alexis/Natalie. Nothing stellar. Mikey B. - Yeah, he had potential. He played too hard, but he was trying to win. Joel - Idiot. Great character, glad to see him get pwned. Destroyed the fans. Chet - Pathetic. Kathy - Entertaining, but a bad player. Tracy - Great gamer. Not the most exciting, but she tried damn hard which is respectable. Jason - Strategic and social moron. But good TV, though he was invisible a lot of the season. Alexis - Far too lovey dovey and played too much into the power alliance on the faves. Erik - Great character, but an idiot who WAS playing up to Ozzy and Amanda. Natalie - You rave about her, but character wise: She had one good episode + one good confessional + one good final TC question. As a player: again, she was better off using Jason. Even without that, I haven't read anything about her strategically, so it shocked me to see you say how great she was. She was an EXCELLENT persuader, but beyond that I didn't see much from her or hear much from her. Not to mention the collective idiocy of the seven faves who ostracized three members right off the bat. Kudos to Natalie and Erik for being semi-mediators.
Thailandsurvivor		#266	[-]
Posts: 6528 (04/29/09 11:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chapera rocks wrote: Well lets break it down, using not only the show but post-show interviews: Mary - who? She got in with Mikey B, but was third wheel to Alexis/Natalie. Nothing stellar. Given an invisible edit because she was the second boot. Even Yau Man got nothing as a favorite, yet he went early, so he got shafted. Mary was close with Mikey B. and the two girls. We can't complain about her game when Joel took her out for controlling reasons. Mikey B. - Yeah, he had potential. He played too hard, but he was trying to win. Yep. And I think he was the only fan to be entertaining (and get air time) in every episode he was in. Everyone else was invisible at least once because they weren't a favorite. Joel - Idiot. Great character, glad to see him get pwned. Destroyed the fans. Great character, and he a great player in terms of getting what he wanted. I don't understand what was so wrong of him for doing what he did on the fans tribe startegically. There had been a swap in the previous 5 seasons, why shouldn't he have predicted one? But once the swap happened, he completely threw away his game by being a hypocritical asshole and targetting Chet. Chet - Pathetic. Edited as pathetic, yes, but he was taken out due to injury. He should have been medevaced after the IC, but he wanted to be go through the ritual of tribal council. Kathy - Entertaining, but a bad player. Yep. Tracy - Great gamer. Not the most exciting, but she tried damn hard which is respectable. Again, yep. Not the most exciting because, again, the bloated cast and favorites eating all the air time, but she was damn awesome every moment she was shown. Jason - Strategic and social moron. But good TV, though he was invisible a lot of the season. Why was he invisible? Because of the same reasons. Yeah, he was a social moron. I don't know about strategic, but his social game gave him no chance to do anything in terms of that. Alexis - Far too lovey dovey and played too much into the power alliance on the faves. Uh, she was invisible for the entire season. That's why she seemed lovey dovey and boring. I hate her because of it, but that's not her fault. Erik - Great character, but an idiot who WAS playing up to Ozzy and Amanda. Of course, he was playing up to them. He had absolutely no chance to stay if he didn't once Joel left post swap. The editing blew it way out of proporition (post show interviews state that the Ozzy love disappeared quickly.) But the way he pushed for Chet to stay and vote with Tracy, Ami, and him shows that he was not completely up their ass. Same goes for him only willing to vote for Amanda at the final 6. Natalie - You rave about her, but character wise: She had one good episode + one good confessional + one good final TC question. As a player: again, she was better off using Jason. Even without that, I haven't read anything about her strategically, so it shocked me to see you say how great she was. She was an EXCELLENT persuader, but beyond that I didn't see much from her or hear much from her. Natalie had one of the worst edits of all time, so of course, she was a bad character. With that said, she was amazing in the final 8, final 5, and the entire finale (before she left and her jury question). I've talked about her strategy more than enough, so I'm not going to get into it. Just know that without an idol in play, she wins. Not to mention the collective idiocy of the seven faves who ostracized three members right off the bat. Kudos to Natalie and Erik for being semi-mediators. Blame Jason for being a shitty social player. Joel also deserves some heat.
chapera rocks		#267	[-]
Posts: 10877 (04/30/09 12:13 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Great character, and he a great player in terms of getting what he wanted. I don't understand what was so wrong of him for doing what he did on the fans tribe startegically. There had been a swap in the previous 5 seasons, why shouldn't he have predicted one? But once the swap happened, he completely threw away his game by being a hypocritical asshole and targetting Chet. Exactly, he knew a swap was coming and he let the 3 outsiders make it to that point. If you're going to outcast 3 members, then at least vote them out. Mikey B was loyal to the fans. Uh, she was invisible for the entire season. That's why she seemed lovey dovey and boring. I hate her because of it, but that's not her fault. And I read her post-show interviews to find out what her strategy was (because it was stupid on the show) and still got nothing out of her. She was incoherent and contradictory with many of her statements. She sucked as a player. Of course, he was playing up to them. He had absolutely no chance to stay if he didn't once Joel left post swap. The editing blew it way out of proporition (post show interviews state that the Ozzy love disappeared quickly.) But the way he pushed for Chet to stay and vote with Tracy, Ami, and him shows that he was not completely up their ass. Same goes for him only willing to vote for Amanda at the final 6. I'm talking about post-merge. Yeah, do what you need to do to get through the pre-merge phase. Suck up to Ozzy, whatever. But as soon as they merged he had said that he had to be loyal to Ozzy and Amanda who saved him. He knew he was the next one out of Malakal and with the new former faves coming in from Airai, he was like the seventh wheel. Once Ozzy left, Amanda put all her eggs in Cirie/Parvati's basket so Erik was a sheep without a shepard. That shepard became the fans -- the one good thing I see in their game. But even they were ready to toss him aside the first chance in order to maintain girl power. Natalie had one of the worst edits of all time, so of course, she was a bad character. With that said, she was amazing in the final 8, final 5, and the entire finale (before she left and her jury question). I've talked about her strategy more than enough, so I'm not going to get into it. Just know that without an idol in play, she wins. Regarding the idol, its totally fair that it was rehidden. Fiji was the last season they saw in entirety (heck, they left for Micro before anyone even found idols in China) and they were rehidden in Fiji. So they knew it was coming. That is enough to debunk that theory on your part. Plus, Ozzy out of the game = idol out of play = rehidden. And to clear up any uncertainty, she even asked; as soon as she asked Jeff, and he answered, that throws any "that's not fair" argument out because it was common knowledge to everyone in the game and they could model their games accordingly. Natalie's logic to send Jason to exile was stupid if she never planned to vote with him (which she didn't). And Alexis was stupid to send Amanda. Regarding her edit ... eh. She had a great final 8. She had one good confessional in final 5 (bitch slap!) and there was nothing special about her in the finale, IMO, until her jury speech. Blame Jason for being a shitty social player. Joel also deserves some heat. I didn't know that two people made decisions for 5 others.
XtremeInnovator420		#268	[-]
Posts: 1439 (04/30/09 12:18 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I will say, that I kind of thought Erik/Alexis/Natalie voting for Amanda instead of Parvati was pretty stupid since well, I highly doubt had he made F2 that voting Amanda like he/they did would have done him any favours in getting Ozzy/Amanda's votes.Oh, and Parvati wasn't at Exile or immune so... But this is just me.
Thailandsurvivor		#269	[-]
Posts: 6530 (04/30/09 12:30 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Regarding her edit ... eh. She had a great final 8. She had one good confessional in final 5 (bitch slap!) and there was nothing special about her in the finale, IMO, until her jury speech. My favorite confessional from her is the finale one about not giving up (with the changed voice). I'll get to the other stuff tomarrow if I remember.
JackSparrowBauer		#270	[-]
Posts: 917 (04/30/09 6:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Am I the only one who doesn't hate Joel?
XtremeInnovator420		#271	[-]
Posts: 1440 (04/30/09 8:24 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nah, I thought Truck was actually kinda amusing and not that bad out there. But maybe that's because I really hated Chet based on what was shown of him (no offense to Chet now, lol), so I dunno.
craig		#272	[-]
Posts: 15555 (04/30/09 4:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I liked the Fans. As a tribe they played much better than Fang or Timbira, and were more entertaining than the average tribe. Who wanted another another Chapera - a tribe of 2nd rate players who were physically strong and blindly loyal, the perfect combo for pagonging real ASS. The producers didn't cast a smart alpha dad or young mastermind to lead the fans, because they knew the Faves would play cutthroat with each other and wanted to Fans to be equally divided. Good work, producers. Erik was a unique character - we've seen the kind of superfan that wants to be Rob C plenty of times. Joel was a idiot gorilla, but it was fun to see someone like that go down in flames. JAYE fans wouldn't be complaining is the Fans helped their faves win. Nobody disses Kathy for loving Yau-man and Jonathan and being willing to be their tool. But because Erik worked with Ozzmanda and Natalie worked with Parvati, some people have issues.
JackSparrowBauer		#273	[-]
Posts: 923 (04/30/09 4:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	All of the fans just got really bad edits, plain and simple. The ones that didn't get bad edits didn't last long. If they got more screentime, then I would have a more fair opinion of them.
craig		#274	[-]
Posts: 15556 (04/30/09 5:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Erik, Natalie, Jason, Tracy, and Kathy all had decent to great edits. Tracy - best edit of an older lady who didn't make the merge ever (or 2nd to S11 Amiy. Kathy & Jason - plenty of airtime, and could have been way more negative. Erik - well-developed charcter (except pre-switch were he was just a follower) Natalie - 2 episodes made her a legendary character. The way she came out of nowhere was cool. Considering (a) that none of them made F3 and (b) that 3/4 who made merge barely went to TC premerge, that's pretty good. Fans > 2nd rate ASS Pregame alliances and bitterly targeting the good players sucks.
chapera rocks		#275	[-]
Posts: 10888 (04/30/09 5:14 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: I liked the Fans. As a tribe they played much better than Fang or Timbira, and were more entertaining than the average tribe. Who wanted another another Chapera - a tribe of 2nd rate players who were physically strong and blindly loyal, the perfect combo for pagonging real ASS. The producers didn't cast a smart alpha dad or young mastermind to lead the fans, because they knew the Faves would play cutthroat with each other and wanted to Fans to be equally divided. Good work, producers. Erik was a unique character - we've seen the kind of superfan that wants to be Rob C plenty of times. Joel was a idiot gorilla, but it was fun to see someone like that go down in flames. JAYE fans wouldn't be complaining is the Fans helped their faves win. Nobody disses Kathy for loving Yau-man and Jonathan and being willing to be their tool. But because Erik worked with Ozzmanda and Natalie worked with Parvati, some people have issues. And you wouldn't like the fans if they didn't play up to Ozzmanda/Parvati. So don't act like you're above anything. And if it weren't for Kathy's hilarity and personality, she'd just be another Chet. So your point is moot, since that's not the reason people liked her.
srvivrfreakevelrich		#276	[-]
Posts: 1020 (04/30/09 5:17 PM) Admin Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Natalie - 2 episodes made her a legendary character. The way she came out of nowhere was cool. I remember sitting there thinking "wow, natalie is going to win this game" i thought james and erik would be gone 7th and 6th, and then Parvati, Alexis and Natalie would team up and make it to the final 3. Parvati would win final immunity and take Natalie with her to the finals, and for some reason i thought natalie would take the majority of votes. natalie was legendary, and i cant wait to watch our UTR/INV villainies again ♥
craig		#277	[-]
Posts: 15564 (05/01/09 12:05 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I thought james and erik would be gone 7th and 6th, and then Parvati, Alexis and Natalie would team up and make it to the final 3. Actually, the majority at Sucks was expecting something like that after the Ozzy and Jason boots. Since Amanda was left out of the loop on the Ozzy boot, Natalexis had good reason to trust their Parvati alliance. Yes, I give them heat for their exile island non-strategy, but otherwise they played fairly well. Even CR was arguing at F8 that Amanda should've tried to forge an alliance with James\Erik\Jason against the BWB. Anything to stop Parvati, eh? But now that Amanda was Parv's real F2 partner, Natalexis are faulted for playing too much into Parv's hands. Gotta admit, Parvati was brilliant at hiding her peaking order.
chapera rocks		#278	[-]
Posts: 10899 (05/01/09 12:08 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: I thought james and erik would be gone 7th and 6th, and then Parvati, Alexis and Natalie would team up and make it to the final 3. Actually, the majority at Sucks was expecting something like that after the Ozzy and Jason boots. Since Amanda was left out of the loop on the Ozzy boot, Natalexis had good reason to trust their Parvati alliance. Yes, I give them heat for their exile island non-strategy, but otherwise they played fairly well. Even CR was arguing at F8 that Amanda should've tried to forge an alliance with James\Erik\Jason against the BWB. Anything to stop Parvati, eh? But now that Amanda was Parv's real F2 partner, Natalexis are faulted for playing too much into Parv's hands. Gotta admit, Parvati was brilliant at hiding her peaking order. I like Parvati better than Amanda, dumbass. Amanda should have turned on Cirie/Parvati because she was second seat to them...following them wouldn't give her a legit case to win since they pwned her ally and trumped her strategically. Its a compliment to them, dolt. Against Erik or Jason, she has a legitimate claim as the primary strategic force and would get the votes to win accordingly. Even against James, she'd have the support to win.
craig		#279	[-]
Posts: 15566 (05/01/09 12:30 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	IF Amanda makes F2 in that scenario, many female jurors see her as spitefully selling out the girls because they booted her boyfriend. She'd be Twila 2.0. Probably Erik wins. That the most likely outcome in most "stop BWB" scenarios. There's also a shot that some of the BWB pull the guys back over to their side. They could be pretty persuasive. Last Edited By: craig 05/01/09 12:34 AM. Edited 1 times.
ncassaro		#280	[-]
Posts: 1070 (05/01/09 12:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If Erik is in F2 though, that means Cirie, Eliza, James, Ozzy, and Parv are all on the jury. The faves would not vote for a fan if a favorite was an option. Amanda wins, and she probably gets Alexis, Jason, and Natalie's votes too for a 8-0 sweep.

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