Absolutely 100% wonderful.
Even the very last moment of Edie coming back to the stage and sitting and the chair with the quote above...I love it.
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So many times you think people show the best shots in commercials or whatnot but this totallllllllllly shot far above and beyond what I thought it was going to
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Absolutely 100% wonderful. Even the very last moment of Edie coming back to the stage and sitting and the chair with the quote above...I love it. |
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Loved it!!!!!! But it is such a sad story....glad to see that little Edie got to enjoy the last years of her life.
And why the hell did her 2 brothers allow their mother and sister to live like that? Loved how she got all pissy with Jackie O...... |
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Simply amazing. I had really high expectations because of my love for the documentary and the movie exceeded them. Made me want to watch the documentary again
right after it. HBO's movie dept. is the best in the business. Drew Barrymore was unbelievable. Who knew she could even pull that off? And Jessica Lange
is always fantastic.
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Anyone feel like recapping the HBO movie just a little bit? Or at least the way they began and ended it?
My mother was fascinated by these two women, but it always just sounded so sad and creepy. After reading this thread I went to You Tube and found the original documentary (or is it the updated version, and by the way, is the updated just added stuff, or is it completely separate from the very first documentary?) I also read both articles, but, no HBO. |
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There are two documentaries. First one is the original, the "sequel" comprised of unused footage from the filming of the first one.
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Well, one of them is on You tube, possibly both, but I only found the 10-parter posted by PerfectBrody. The Criterion Collection. I guess that is the recent release?
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LPMA |
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Both of them are part of the Criterion collection. I have yet to watch either of them, but I'd guess that is the first one. The second is titled "The
Beales Of Grey Gardens"
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Thanks. That link above is to "part one" so maybe someone here knows which part one it is.
Meanwhile, I would still love to know how they began and ended the HBO show, or any other story details. |
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LPMA |
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Just checked with the one I downloaded, it's the first one.
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The original came out in the 70s, and the follow-up didn't come out until 2006 when renewed interest in the original sparked. They may as well have come
out at the same time because it is hard to distinguish one from the other, because it was shot at the same time and was just leftover material, some of it as
good as was used in the original. I noticed that some of the HBO movie borrows from The Beales of Grey Gardens as well as
from Grey Gardens. The scene in which Big Edie tells the Maysles that when Little Edie returned from the Barbizon school in New York City she
was "very sick" and "delicate," for example is straight out of The Beales of Grey Gardens.
Summary of the HBO movie: The HBO movie started with the documentary already in progress, and relied on flashbacks to 1936 to Little Edie's debutante ball/coming out party at a swanky hotel in New York City. Little Edie tried desperately to escape the party but Big Edie chased her down and told her to come back. From there they went to the family summer home, Grey Gardens, and Mr. Beale went back to the city, presumably to get away from Big Edie and back to his secretary whom he would eventually marry. As the story progressed, they explained very well how Little Edie attempted to return to the City to audition for Max Gordon, but because of a sticky love triangle that broke her heart she returned to Grey Gardens at Big Edie's urging and missed the audition. By this time Mr. Beale had already abandoned the family and was on his way to getting a "fake Mexican divorce" so that he could wed his secretary. Big Edie was all alone when Little Edie returned and already she had begun to let the house go. The garden was unkempt and the dishes were piling up and some were still on the dining table. She had a mess of stuff in the living room where she presumably listened to music and gazed at memorabilia, never bothering to put any of it away. Time progressed until they essentially ran out of money for food, heat, electricity and water. The ladies were in very dire straits. A photographer for a tabloid stumbled upon the house and started taking photos. Little Edie invited him in thinking if their story became public it could somehow lead to salvation. Indeed, but not before they were basically publicly humiliated in many a newspaper and tabloid. It was revealed that Jackie O. had "turned a blind eye" as one paper had put it and that accusation led to Jackie visiting the ladies and offering assistance. Under the direction of Lee Bouvier (Jackie's sister) the house was cleaned up significantly to pass the next inspection but not nearly to the grandeur that it once held. It was after this clean-up that the Maysles approached the Edies about making a documentary about them. The Edies had met the brothers through Lee Bouvier, who The Maysles were trying to get a movie made with (about life in the Hamptons) but it didn't pan out. The Maysles told Little Edie that the Edies were the most interesting part of that project anyway so they wanted to pursue that instead. While the story was progressing there were cuts to the documentary in progress in which scenes were recreated. It was very interesting. The HBO movie ended with the premiere of Grey Gardens showing at the Paris theatre in New York City, with Little Edie in attendance receiving a standing ovation. Big Edie decided not to attend. That's it in a long nutshell, but you gottta see it! It answered soooooooooooooo many questions that one gets from watching the documentary alone. I don't know what it would be like to watch the documentary after watching the HBO production. A lot of the mystery would be gone, regardless of how ficitonal the HBO production is or isn't. PS...There are other parts of the story that I left out of the above: Gould's role in Big Edie's life, the love triangle, the death of Mr. Beale, the brothers urging Big Edie to sell the house, how the house looks as its being inspected (it will make you GASP!), how Big and Little Edie's tumultuous relationship was sorta resolved at the end, etc... YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT! IT'S SOOOO GOOD! Jerry was left out of the movie completely, by the way.
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From that link you posted earlier I found some really interesting comments, but I have no idea which thing they were commenting on. I couldn't sleep and
Grey Gardened out for a while the other night. It could have been on a video, or even on Gail's article(s).
Anyway, the comment that sticks with me is from someone who was a kid in the Hamptons before and after the documentary. He (I think it was a "he") said that he knew them, and became friendly, and was invited into the house pre-clean up. He went on to say that the documentary didn't even come close to what he saw as a kid, and the comment that stuck with me was that there was at least 2 inches of cat poop compacted on just about every stair inside. OK, I have cats. Too many, 3 all together. All rescued after being dumped at my mountain home. So, the part I really don't understand is that the GG cats seemed to have ready access to the outdoors. WHY were they pooping in the house? Maybe from the smell of the litter the Edies left laying around in huge piles? Cats are really clean animals, at least the ones I have known in my lifetime, and they prefer to poop where they can bury it, and far away from places that they lay around and chill out, or eat. I just don't understand that part. My cats are indoor cats, and they use their litter box, which is kept clean. Even so, they would much prefer to "go" outside, and they won't even touch food if it is anywhere near a litter box. What on earth made those cats behave that way? Dogs I could understand, but cats?
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Hmmm....maybe when cats have the run of a 28-room space they kinda get lazy too? I dunno...I've never had a cat. But there were also raccoons. Maybe it was raccoon poop. Also, many of the cats were born in the house so that's the 'world' they knew. :: shrugs :: OH! There is the one scene in the Grey Gardens documentary in which one of the cats takes a pee behind Big Edie's portrait...remember? So there you go...as Big Edie said "I'm glad someone around here is doing what they want." They changed it in the HBO movie by the way. Jackie entered the house and pointed out the cat pissing behind the portrait and the ladies just kinda shrugged it off. I kept waiting for Big Edie's famous line but no one said it. They did add great tidbits like Jackie dropping her red and blue scarf in the garden and then Little Edie using it later for her infamous flag dance. And Big Edie wearing her infamous red/white/blue had while lounging in the garden with Gould sometime in the 30s.
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When that cat peed or pooped behind the portrait and neither woman seemed to care, it was just so odd.
The cat was "hiding" it a bit, and I understand that part of the cat behavior. But the poop on the inner stairs "two inches thick and compacted" just made zero sense to me. It does make sense that the cats born there would behave that way, cats do learn from their parents, but still? A friend of mine left for vacation and the person who was supposed to care for her two cats fed and watered them, but failed to clean the litter box. She did find poop "hidden" by fastidious cats who wouldn't use the filthy litter box. Luckily, she wasn't gone long enough for it to do serious damage to her place, but--one the stairway at GG? That humans and cats had to climb? The hell? That commenter also said that he had fun with them, and they sang and danced, at that whole rooms were piled to the ceilings with garbage and cans. Another comment from someone said that little Edie opened cans of catfood for her mother, put a lemon wedge on top and served it, after throwing a "wicked" grin at the observer. That may have been one of the guys who filmed it. ?? It's all running together for me. Was that cat food she was serving to her mother as "liver pate?" in the documentary? I couldn't read the label.
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Maybe it was poop that was tracked in on their shoes. They basically did not clean for about TWO FULL DECADES. Gah! ETA: Somewhere I read that there were a total of 52 cats in the house, in addition to the raccoons. That's a lot of poop in two decades. In the HBO movie the health inspectors claimed that neighbours "down wind" of Grey Gardens were complaining about the property.
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< ------------------- LOOK WHAT ZILLA MADE FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Oh that is perfect for you!
Wait, where is the pin? |
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I just watched this on an Amazon rental and it is very interesting. Mother/Daughter relationships can be so complicated.
I thought that was a can of cat food she gave her mom and it didn't really surprise me. I don't think the mom minded and probably was aware. Well, I mean as aware as she could be in her state. I've heard plenty of stories of people being poor and having to eat cat food. The fact that it would be more comfortable to think of it as pate isn't surprising to me either. What really got me was how their stories completely changed from the beginning to the end. Well, not changed exactly, but it was like they flipped. At the beginning Little Edie was saying she never wanted to be married and her mom was on and on about all the great guys she'd turned down and then at the end it was Little Edie complaining about all the guys she could have married but couldn't because her mom made her take care of her. And her mom at one point saying she wanted nothing more than for her daughter to get married and then later saying how she wanted her to stay with her because she didn't want to be alone. There were other nuances that flipped too but it's weird how when you are in a space with someone for so long and you both have a touch of madness how you can feed off of each other's crazy and it actually can become a component of your co-dependency. |
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watched it the 2nd time it ran last night. THOROUGHLY enjoyed it. very very good.
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omg, carboy, your avi is divine.
aside to dmb: i want you to know i was not trying to steal your gay husband, i was just looking for someone to do a soft shoe and eat some corn with. lolabingo: you either get it or you don't. not trying to be rude. imdb.com |
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