"What lies in the shadow of the statue?""Ben's Mouth"
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kittymistress |
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phantomkp |
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Antithesys wrote: Id like to point out that this episode only further proves that the processing center is indeed close to the dock. (the processing center is the first shot you see when Locke and Ben get off the docks...it was a building you could see in the distance when Sun and Lapidus got off the docks) Id also like to point out that episode 1 season 3 proves that the barracks are inland, in a circle, quite aways from the nearest body of water. Id also like to point out that in the "Namaste" episode of this year, Sawyer told the 06 he was taking them directly to the Barracks. Then, we see them being shuttled (by another driver) to the processing center..and then back again after getting their work orders for a picnic and pictures. (which further proves the processing center is a distance from the Barracks.) The confusion here seems to be that Sun, Lapidus, Locke, and Ben dont seem to make a left at the dilapidated processing center and TA DA! Its the houses! Which i think is just artistic liscense so we dont have to see them walk down the road, pass through the sonar fence, and get to the barracks...but they do have to travel a bit. I dont believe the sonar fence surrounds the docks (or the processingt centers) otherwise we'd see some pylons in the water? Which means the barracks are surrounded, on their own...down the road.
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cindidindi76 |
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kittymistress wrote: You know that joke about 'how do you know when a an is lying'? Ben is who it's about. |
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WiscBadger95 |
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pussycow wrote:Actually, Australia is a trap that pretty much guarantees defeat. |
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XianneKei |
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tigeranne wrote:Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. I totally agree with you Tigeranne. |
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bxwl9 |
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Somebody posted this earlier...
In searching for the answer to the question "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" I came across this story... I found it interesting that Widmore had Ben kill Rousseau & her baby. Did it seem like some sort of a test? Just like Ben had Locke kill Cooper... Ben "failed" his test in the eyes of Widmore. Locke "passed" his test by killing Cooper in the eyes of Ben. However, Alpert helped Locke kill Cooper by showing him Sawyer's file, Sawyer, who ultimately killed Cooper. I find this all very similar to the narrative of the story above. |
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Antithesys |
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it was a building you could see in the distance when Sun and Lapidus got off the docks Go ahead and post a screencap of this, because watching "Namaste" I see no evidence of any buildings within sight of the dock. Sawyer told the 06 he was taking them directly to the Barracks. Then, we see them being shuttled (by another driver) to the processing center..and then back again after getting their work orders for a picnic and pictures. (which further proves the processing center is a distance from the Barracks.) Well in the universe in which I live, Sawyer didn't directly tell them anything about where he was taking them...he just showed up with clothes and said he'd rigged it so they were recruits off the sub. Then, we see them climbing out of the van by the processing center. Sawyer gets out too...at no point are any of the O6 in a van with another driver; indeed, this is the only time in the episode in which they're in a vehicle at all. The scene where they're actually processed takes place entirely within the center, so it doesn't help. They are never shown being driven anywhere after that...the photo/picnic scene begins immediately with the photo. The smoking gun is still missing: a shot that shows something we know to be near the processing center (namely, the building itself) in the same shot as something we know to be in the town proper (Ben and Locke pass a water pump and the swing set before the light in Ben's house turns on). However, I don't see any reason to believe the center is anywhere other than the barracks: a) Jack is asked who his shuttle driver was, meaning the dock is a shuttle ride away from the processing center. b) the center would need to be within the fence. It wouldn't be a particularly warm welcome for recruits to be set upon by Hostiles. It's possible the dock is within the fence too but if the fence ends at the shore I'm pretty sure the Hostiles know how to swim, and I doubt a sonic fence works underwater. So the dock is probably open, but I have a hard time believing the processing center is. c) in tonight's episode, as we come back from a flashback, there is a shot of the deserted processing center. It's an establishing shot. The next shot is Ben and Locke walking through what we should all agree is the barracks: the swing set is there, and within two or three shots the light in Ben's window comes on. Do we see the characters walking by the processing center in the same shot? No. But if the center is not in town, why would it be used as an establishing shot for the town? Conversely, when Sun and Frank arrive at the dock, they're stopped briefly by the monster. They comment on it, and it kind of puts a period on the scene. The next shot is them emerging from the bushes at the processing center. One would be free to interpret this as occurring just a few seconds after stepping off the dock, but one could also just as easily interpret it as occurring after a bit of a walk, and that it's a new scene. |
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TheEasyOne |
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this show is about a group of survivors whose plane happens to crash upon an island, who are both lost in time/space/and in a sense their own lives (hence the
title) and are fulfilling their roles in destiny "aka what the universe intends" by being on that island
simple premise...it's not the ultimate showdown...BEN vs. WIDMORE (and zomg war is surely impending!!!!) well what if this "war" never happens and widmore is defeated by the end of this season. you never know |
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witch1031 |
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Couldn't the food drop have come from another time? Like in 1975 a cargo plane dropped the supplies but because of the time shifts around the island, it
hit the ground 30 years after it was dropped?
It wasn't like supplies were being dropped every month, it was just that one time. I'm probably wrong, I always am when it comes to this show. |
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Screerider |
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Antithesys wrote:Would sound-effects count? They show the Processing Center sign swinging audibly, and then cut to the swing set area, and you can still hear the sign swinging. And, since Lapidus worked for Widmore, you'd think he'd know Widmore's secret questions, so I'm still not convinced the 316'ers are Widmore lackeys. Dharma, maybe. |
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cindidindi76 |
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Lapidus being the helicopter pilot before (when he wasn't really in on the whole plan) has nothing to do with whether or not he would have any idea about a secret question now. |
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Fluffynurse |
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And, since Lapidus worked for Widmore, you'd think he'd know Widmore's secret questions, so I'm still not convinced the 316'ers are Widmore lackeys. Dharma, maybe.But..but..but.. the Dharmazians are basically a peaceful people. |
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Screerider |
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We're peaceful. Then Widmore stole the Island from them using their own peaceful, yet toxic, Kill-Em-All station. That pushed them over the edge.
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SurvivorLDog93 |
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BJ wrote: Sorry, but when I saw that scene I kept thinking: "Nice to see that Michael Sarver got a working gig so soon after American Idol." |
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phantomkp |
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Fluffynurse wrote: Yea, and they didn't kill Lapidus, just knocked him out.(he could be a hostile!) So they are still acting Dharma-y...secretive, clique-y, paranoid, not afraid to send the unkown into the brig. Who knows, maybe Alvar Hanso is back as Dharma faction leader and we now have a 3-way power grab coming up?
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phantomkp wrote:Maybe it is still a 2-way power grab, but maybe that grab will end up being between Dharma and those who support the island, and Ben/Widmore will end up on the same side? |
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Antithesys |
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They show the Processing Center sign swinging audibly, and then cut to the swing set area, and you can still hear the sign swinging. Technically that sound could be some other loose object swinging, so I decided not to count it. |
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stacy1201 |
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Incorrect! I was rewatching Season 1 this week. Locke hired a private investigator who tailed Swoosie (old redhead) to her car and collected DNA evidence that concluded without a doubt she was Locke's mother, and he even had her driver's liscence photo.Ahh! Good eye! stacy1201 wrote:You're right on this one Felicia. No paradox! |
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phantomkp |
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Antithesys wrote: I agree that the processing center buildings could be just down the way from the houses...within the sonar fence, and a good drive from the dock...im just saying nothing about this last episode proves that. (as was stated) At least from what i could tell. You are right, either way, the show is making a huge cheat in cutting directly from the dock to the buildings in either case (which would be lenghty walk) Sawyer specifically told the 06 in "Namaste" he was taking them to the Dharma barracks, they'd be safest there...just wanted to make that clear since you said he never said specifically. But i dont think it matters if the processing center is near the dock or near the houses! It still would make sense for The Others to not use the three larger buildings, one being the processing center...but upkeep the houses. (which was the whole reason people started debating location in the first place) We saw how they let the medical station on the main island go to disarray, its in their nature to ignore certain facilities. |
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pussycow |
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There is one big fly in the ointment or error with the theory that New Otherton is far inland. In Eggtown they were keeping Miles in the "boathouse down
by the dock", and Locke had Hurley taking food to him. Now you know there is no way Hurley is gonna be walking all that distance several times a day. And
it seems like Sawyer and Locke were able to run down there fairly quickly. So it seems there is at least one dock within reasonable walking distance of
Dharmaville
From lostpedia
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Barracks#Harbor_and_wharf |
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