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Kitty Pryde1		#1841	[-]
Posts: 9063 (03/12/09 8:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She was shown screaming at people and blowing up, and she was also shown cackling evilly after discussing her confidence in the exile alliance.
The Purple Parrot		#1842	[-]
Posts: 9522 (03/12/09 8:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The audience was meant to take Taj's side this episode. Clearly not negative.
craig		#1843	[-]
Posts: 15166 (03/12/09 8:58 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sandra had a big rivalry with JFP and Burton and she won. They wouldn't hide Erinn's juicy rivalry with N players just because she won. She's not edited as obsessed with them or yelling at them or anything. It true that people who get along with everyone are more likely to win, but that's Game Logic not edgic. Erinn is our winner ... if it's not Sierra or Stephen.
9RedWing19		#1844	[-]
Posts: 2473 (03/12/09 9:03 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Benjamin: UTR2 Did he do something to the editors (eg run over their dog with his car)? The weather scene was a complete throw-away, other than to make him look foolish, and add to the Erinn conflict story. A weak N but given the strong N's of previous episodes, I gave him the benefit of the doubt this week. Brendan: MOR3 It's all about the alliance and there are dark clouds on the horizon (Benjamin, Stephen, Tyson). Will he get soaked or will the clouds miss him? I know who I won't ask for a forecast. Debbie: INV0 A possible INV vs UTR1 argument here. Given it's Ep 5, I went with the former. Erinn: UTR1 Her story is melting away to the conflict with Benjamin and Tyson. I think she'll outlast them both. Joe: MOR4 Looking back over his scenes, it's surprising how much of them were about Taj and not himself. As if Taj needed more visibility this episode. JT: CP4 Our southern gentleman is a sensitive guy (at the Reward), has a strong competitive streak, and takes no prisoners. Sierra: UTR2 The tying up of the loose end about Brendan not telling her about the alliance warranted its own segment, including her shown being smart enough to ensure the others would not overhear them. The confessional was ambiguous - yes, it could come back to bite her, or it could simply be part of her story (ie what will she do if/when the alliance crumbles). Spencer: CP5 .Good boot episode. Stephen: CP4 Strong episode, which was needed for his winning chances. Is he astute not putting all his eggs in one basket, or a traitor? Time will tell. Sydney: UTR2 She helped to frame Spencer's story this episode. Taj: CP5 We know who Sandy passed the "I'm the big character who is going to hog all the air-time" torch to. Tyson: MOR2 The lad is very astute - I think if he won, we'd be seeing more of him, because he also makes good TV. Winner: Sierra, Stephen, Brendan. Stephen certainly closed the gap, but I don't want to flip-flop each episode. Brendan has dropped back, so IMO it's a 2 horse race at this point (but then Marcus, then Kenny were sure bets too). Eliminated: Benjamin, Debbie, Joe, Sydney, Tyson.
Kitty Pryde1		#1845	[-]
Posts: 9065 (03/12/09 9:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	9RedWing19 wrote: Benjamin: UTR2 Did he do something to the editors (eg run over their dog with his car)? The weather scene was a complete throw-away, other than to make him look foolish, and add to the Erinn conflict story. A weak N but given the strong N's of previous episodes, I gave him the benefit of the doubt this week. Brendan: MOR3 It's all about the alliance and there are dark clouds on the horizon (Benjamin, Stephen, Tyson). Will he get soaked or will the clouds miss him? I know who I won't ask for a forecast. Debbie: INV0 A possible INV vs UTR1 argument here. Given it's Ep 5, I went with the former. Erinn: UTR1 Her story is melting away to the conflict with Benjamin and Tyson. I think she'll outlast them both. Joe: MOR4 Looking back over his scenes, it's surprising how much of them were about Taj and not himself. As if Taj needed more visibility this episode. JT: CP4 Our southern gentleman is a sensitive guy (at the Reward), has a strong competitive streak, and takes no prisoners. Sierra: UTR2 The tying up of the loose end about Brendan not telling her about the alliance warranted its own segment, including her shown being smart enough to ensure the others would not overhear them. The confessional was ambiguous - yes, it could come back to bite her, or it could simply be part of her story (ie what will she do if/when the alliance crumbles). Spencer: CP5 .Good boot episode. Stephen: CP4 Strong episode, which was needed for his winning chances. Is he astute not putting all his eggs in one basket, or a traitor? Time will tell. Sydney: UTR2 She helped to frame Spencer's story this episode. Taj: CP5 We know who Sandy passed the "I'm the big character who is going to hog all the air-time" torch to. Tyson: MOR2 The lad is very astute - I think if he won, we'd be seeing more of him, because he also makes good TV. Winner: Sierra, Stephen, Brendan. Stephen certainly closed the gap, but I don't want to flip-flop each episode. Brendan has dropped back, so IMO it's a 2 horse race at this point (but then Marcus, then Kenny were sure bets too). Eliminated: Benjamin, Debbie, Joe, Sydney, Tyson. Debbie was more UTR than Erinn. I mean, I could remember Debbie from the episode, whereas Erinn's confessional about Coach was forgettable.
ncassaro		#1846	[-]
Posts: 799 (03/12/09 9:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BTW I really am in favor of dividing UTR next year.... IMO there's a huge difference between, "congratulations, you just avoided INV" (Parv in FvF) and "hidden" (Sierra.) Erinn: UTR1 Her story is melting away to the conflict with Benjamin and Tyson. I think she'll outlast them both. And this is the main reason IMO that Erinn isn't winning. Her story is too tied to Coach and Tyson. Just like Eliza's story in Micronesia was always tied to Parvati, whereas Parvati had that storyline AND her own storyline.
Werwanderflugen		#1847	[-]
Posts: 210 (03/12/09 9:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I could possibly see an OTT for Taj (I'm thinking CP, though), but I definitely feel she was M. She opens the show by finding the idol which I viewed as quite P, and then she got a great amount of focus on the emotional reward, resulting in more P. Post-IC, she was clearly N, but by TC she seemed self-aware of her actions. Half P, half N... so, M.
fat little fingers		#1848	[-]
Posts: 5930 (03/12/09 9:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	scepticA: ... but her worldview via the edit is shrinking down to COACHtyson. That's all we got from her. Yes, we previously had some introspection,.. That's Erinn's edit problem in a nutshell. Her entire season has been "What am I doing here?" and Coach/Tyson. She has no connection to the win, (and at this point, never will.) As far as how to figure Taj's tone this ep: Stephen told us how to take Taj's river splashing scene. To paraphrase, (still need to rewatch the damned thing), "Act like that and you're getting booted." Not this week, but it's coming. She's CP again and that means she may get a mixed neutral, but that blow-up and all her loud talk has been labelled as a bad move.
9RedWing19		#1849	[-]
Posts: 2474 (03/12/09 9:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Debbie was more UTR than Erinn. I mean, I could remember Debbie from the episode, whereas Erinn's confessional about Coach was forgettable. Did you mean to say that Debbie was less UTR than Erinn? Otherwise I'm confused (which admittedly happens not infrequently).
fat little fingers		#1850	[-]
Posts: 5931 (03/12/09 9:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I seem a little slow on the draw and am repeating others' points. Lol. Must rewatch before I'm eating my words...
Kitty Pryde1		#1851	[-]
Posts: 9066 (03/12/09 9:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My prediction for the next boot is Joe based on this weeks' edit. We had JT losing his tooth in the reward challenge, which was enough for his tribe to show their determination. But then we also got Joe hurting his leg, which was hardly cared about at all. It's like Ami's sprained knee from Micronesia, only Joe also brought it up just after the challenge, which leads me to believe that it was thrown in as footage for when Joe costs Jalapao a challenge next episode and gets booted for it. They'll bring up his injury in the preview and it'll come up. Maybe they'll even show him dropping out of last week's reward. But Joe's story is not like Sydney's, where she could be ignored for a long time like Natalie. He's an alpha-male being ignored, which means he's probably a pre-merge boot.
Kitty Pryde1		#1852	[-]
Posts: 9067 (03/12/09 9:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	9RedWing19 wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Debbie was more UTR than Erinn. I mean, I could remember Debbie from the episode, whereas Erinn's confessional about Coach was forgettable. Did you mean to say that Debbie was less UTR than Erinn? Otherwise I'm confused (which admittedly happens not infrequently). My scale is INV-UTR, not INV-OTT.
craig		#1853	[-]
Posts: 15168 (03/12/09 9:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If the Exile Alliance is gonna be edited as arrogent, overconfident, and having the game in the bag, as kinda happened tonight, maybe it's for the best if Erinn's edit isn't tied in with them. We get different facets of Erinn - ep.3 she is in trouble and competing to stay with Jerry, ep.4 it's her personal background as a divorcee, and tonight she gets a comment line to seal a scene where Coach looks like a buffoon. Tonight was cooldown for Erinn, they gave her to good line to show she's there. Erinn's links to others needs to be hidden for suspense in the looming confrontation between Coach\Tyson\Debbie and the Exile Alliance. Who knoews, Erinn might cooperate with Tyson for a vote based on mutaul self-interest. Same way, Stephen should gets points for being CP reflective, and not wanting to put all his eggs in the EA basket. Last Edited By: craig 03/12/09 9:44 PM. Edited 1 times.
AbbyGirl		#1854	[-]
Posts: 34 (03/12/09 9:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Good episode! I had no idea Spencer would be the boot, I thought it would be Taj going. Brendan did not seem over confident to me. He was happy about his alliance, but not cocky. He was shown but not too much, he had some spv and handed JT his tooth at the challenge. Coach wants Brendan out next, so there is the doubt that he can last. Big bad Coach is after Brendan, we are supposed to worry. Timbira didn't even go to TC but the editing made it look like they would. Hmmm.... Sierra was over confident more so than Brendan. Negative? Mixed? Probably mixed, but her edit surprised me tonight. She seemed more like Taj, just not as out there. JP said Taj and Sierra thought they had it made (or something like that) in the beginning of the show, he did not mention Stephen or Brendan. Taj was way out there, she still could be end game like Cirie, but I doubt she wins. I think she was negative tonight, but how negative? Stephen seemed wary about trusting Brendan down the line, more doubt for Brendan and the Exile alliance. Stephen did say he might have to let Taj go, but seemed torn. I did not see him as too confident or negative, just trying to figue out what he should do down the line. No mention of JT or an alliance, will that ever happen? JT was grumpy tonight, he did lose a tooth and then the challenge so who can blame the guy. He was honest about who he wanted to boot, was he negative or mixed? I don't think he came off too negative, but this did not look like a winning edit to me. Coach was just there, he's going after Brendan next (his worthy opponent?) is that enough to be negative? Add on Erinn's comment after he predicted the weather.....wrongly of course! Tyson was just reporting what was going on, he did not come off as negative or positive. I don't think it was a good episode for him, but he's not eliminated just yet. Erinn was just there to comment on Coach and what an idiot he is (again), is that a winner's edit? Not to me it isn't. Winner picks....Stephen, Brendan, Sierra
oh ehm gee		#1855	[-]
Posts: 2439 (03/12/09 9:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Long time lurker, first time poster. JALAPAO JT - OTT(M)3 - While I don't think there's any tone (just a one-dimensional competitive person), I can see mixed because of the hero worship from Jiffy combined with negative SPV from Spencer Joe - MOR3 - He was fairly visible (for him) and yet...really didn't say much. Spencer - MORN4 - Call it a gut reaction (which will probably change). Looking at the guidelines, he seems like someone UTR (narratorish) who had to be seen. His confessional regarding being gay I think was tied to the overall theme (overcoming or being crippled by ones first impressions), much like Alexis' intro confessional in Micronesia. I can see CP, though. Stephen - CP4 - Strictly in gamer mode. Finally revealing insight on his role in the Exile Alliance, especially how he's wary of Brendan. Could (and probably will) set up for a future blindside. Sydney - UTR2 - The lack of followup on the last TC would be bad for anyone who was a contender. Luckily, she isn't. Taj - OTTM5 - By which I mean OTTM8. Fairly one-note portrayal, from her actions at the reward feast, and freaking out post-IC. Much of her portrayal this episode was about saving her own skin rather than any long-term strategy (dipping into game logic - she gave away the damn idol!) and while her telling of her efforts in the IC and at the reward were P, the arguing with Joe was definite N. TIMBIRA Brendan - MOR3 - Alliance alliance alliance. I will say that the doubt from Timbira is being put mostly on him, which is interesting. Coach - UTRN1 - Barely any visibility and it leads to him being mocked? He's toast, and it'll be fun to watch. Debbie - INV1 - I don't remember her being there, to be honest. Erinn - UTR1 - ...and I barely remember Erinn, but we still expanded the Coach/Erinn/Tyson storyline Sierra - UTR2 - She's golden for me. A strong opener, okay cooldown (she really doesn't need another UTR, but if she doesn't go to TC, it's understandable), distractions (both within her tribe and within her alliance) and circumstancial doubt. Tyson - MOR1 - Figuring out the Exile alliance, which helps create doubt for them. Winner list: 1 - Sierra 2 - Stephen Not yet eliminated: Erinn, Tyson, JT Eliminated: Brendan (not a strong opener, but a high chance of being a decoy winner), Coach (still N), Debbie/Sydney/Joe (who?), Taj (super distraction) One other thing - Spencer's confessional about not revealing his sexual preference seemed like a connection to the first impressions theme. What I found interesting is that he connected that to JT, much like Stephen did in the opener. I think all of this isn't coming up for nothing; rather, I see JT making it to the end, possibly by screwing people over and challenging the whole "wholesome farm boy" idea. Last Edited By: oh ehm gee 03/12/09 9:47 PM. Edited 1 times.
ncassaro		#1856	[-]
Posts: 803 (03/12/09 9:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AbbyGirl wrote: Good episode! I had no idea Spencer would be the boot, I thought it would be Taj going. Sierra was over confident more so than Brendan. Negative? Mixed? Probably mixed, but her edit surprised me tonight. She seemed more like Taj, just not as out there. JP said Taj and Sierra thought they had it made (or something like that) in the beginning of the show, he did not mention Stephen or Brendan. Stephen seemed wary about trusting Brendan down the line, more doubt for Brendan and the Exile alliance. Stephen did say he might have to let Taj go, but seemed torn. I did not see him as too confident or negative, just trying to figue out what he should do down the line. No mention of JT or an alliance, will that ever happen? JT was grumpy tonight, he did lose a tooth and then the challenge so who can blame the guy. He was honest about who he wanted to boot, was he negative or mixed? I don't think he came off too negative, but this did not look like a winning edit to me. JT was on my winner list but I didn't like his edit at all tonight for his chances. I saw Sierra and Stephen as opposite sides of a coin... Sierra is thrilled to be part of an alliance and putting all her eggs in its basket, and Stephen is doubting the alliance and basically being like, "eh, if I need it it's there, but I have other options." I think Stephen is being more logical here. They're really the only two I'm watching anymore, with Tyson being my darkhorse.
Oowatanite		#1857	[-]
Posts: 7096 (03/12/09 9:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Survivor Schedule Wednesday March 25 - Recrap Thursday April 2 - Next New Episode Finale - May 17 ??????
AndreSurvivor		#1858	[-]
Posts: 402 (03/12/09 10:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Letters from home....does the winner usually get any focus during it? I forgot if Stephen even commented on them.
Oowatanite		#1859	[-]
Posts: 7098 (03/12/09 10:07 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Stephen was at exile beach.
chad6		#1860	[-]
Posts: 2898 (03/12/09 10:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Stephen was on exile. He couldn't have commented on the letters.

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