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Katy Carney |
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It's so completely un-shocking how fucked up the cylons turned out considering Ellen and Saul are the ones who made them. Talk about issues. I'm really
curious about Anders, Tory and Galen's connections to Ellen and Saul and to each other.
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sugarrhill |
haven't watched it b/c it's not up yet on sciFi.com | ||
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So no revelations? What was the final decision by the cylons?
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Piranhahaha |
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I think it's still fluid. Ellen pretty much admitted that she was yanking Saul's chains and was everso sorry she upset the 6 so badly to cause the
miscarriage.
Speaking of the decision, how come Chief would be so hot to jump away with the base ship? I'd think he'd be totally aligned with Saul to stay and support Adama. |
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Mateui |
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Yeah, Chief's decision felt totally forced to me, as if the writers wanted Ellen to be the swing for plot purposes. Tory makes sense, but Chief... no. If
he wanted to leave with the others why did he accept being the chief mechanic for Adama and help make repairs to the hull just a few days earlier? Bad writing.
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Missy |
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Ellen Tigh is an epic cuntwat. It was so obvi that the Caprica/Tigh baby was doomed with Ellen's return, though I expected it to be done with a swift
abort-punch to the gut. Michael Hogan and Tricia Helfer need emmys and more passionate sex scenes. Mind you I can't believe Kate Vernon and Tricia Helfer
get paid to go down on Michael Hogan, fucking luckyass bitches.
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it is a mystery |
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blockhose |
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Mateui wrote:Yep. Overall a very poor episode. Ellen comes back all compassionate and motherly toward her cylon babies, but defaults to old psycho hobag? What's it gonna be - leader or barfly? The whole "he loves you/he doesn't love you" thing was just ridiculous. Even the "vote" was ridiculous - "it's all of us or none of us" - why would that have to be the case? There was no logic behind it at all. Worst written eppy of the season so far. |
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PAPAYOKE |
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Not just Tyrol, but Tory also. Everybody wanted to hear what Anders had to say last week and now these bitches are ready to jump? It also didn't ring
true to me that Ellen Tigh, scorned woman or no, would put a baby Cylon at risk the way she did - maybe the old, contentious, Ellen Tigh but the "Wise
Transcendent Mother" of last week? And why is she trippin'? She frakkin' made Cavil in the image of her own father. Ugh. The Baltar storyline
was completely worthless, and I don't understand why Adama would arm Baltar and his cult's crazy asses.
This episode = massive fail for the most part, but Michael Hogan continues to raise the bar. You know Ellen's kinky ass made him take off the eyepatch. I think Tigh's right though and I couldn't help but notice the "blending" of Cylon with humans throughout the episode: Every time they cut to scenes of Galactica being repaired, a Six was prominently featured, and of course, the wall of fallen Cylons that Roslin and Adama acknowledged at the end. At a blog, another viewer suggested that baby Liam was downloaded into Anders. Maybe that was Mother Ellen's plan along. :p |
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ThaimeAfterThaime |
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blockhose wrote: I wondered if the writer of this episode didn't get the previous week's script, so he/she wouldn't have know that that resurrected Ellen is a different character than old Ellen. Ron Moore or someone should have noticed, though. Agree on Chief's decision being random. But I do think Tory's made sense and I agree with the whole "all or none" philosophy. The Five are just reunited. I can see why they wouldn't want to split up now. |
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Piranhahaha |
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Pre-New Caprica Ellen's sole reason for existing was to cause chaos.
Frakking half the fleet, getting bombed and creating scandals, working her twisted mojo on lesser beings, and rinse & repeat. I don't see any inconsistency with her reverting to form as soon as she saw her opportunity. |
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PAPAYOKE |
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It wouldn't be inconsistent if the Ellen that showed up last week was the same Ellen who had no knowledge of being a Cylon, or more importantly, one of the Cylons who not only has knowledge of Cylon life before the creation of the 8 skinjob models, but also created said skinjobs, including nutjob Cavil. Jealousy is one thing, but the bitch didn't seem to actually care that a Six was actually pregnant with a Cylon baby until he was dead. |
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Goosehead |
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Yes, increasingly we're supposed to realise that there is almost no difference between humans and Cylons. So there's no reason to think that
Ellen's personality would be any different now that she's aware of her Cylonicity. Although, it wouldn't be inconsistent to make her realise that
she's a central part of a very, very serious situation, which might modify her actions a bit.
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PAPAYOKE |
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It's not consistent for human or Cylon who is now fully aware of who/what they are and what their mission is (life's work?) to suddenly put it at risk it due to petty jealousy. But then again, Tyrol and Tory both seem to be anxious to leave Galactica when they were so anxious to learn what Anders had to say (and Tyrol, in particular, has gone out of his way on behalf of Galactica and Adama and company). So if there's some consistency maybe it's that final five Cylons are notoriously capricious (even more so than the regular skinjobs). If I remember correctly, she was screaming her head off one moment and then became Zen-calm. Other than that, it's like the person writing this episode hadn't seen last week's episode. Bad writing. Bad characterization. Bad (especially for the fifth-to-last episode). |
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CoconutPhone |
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exactly. Ellen said it herself "I'm still Ellen".
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Missy |
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It was only after Ellen heard that Caprica Six was pregnant and came to the realization that Saul was genuinely in love with Caprica that the full blown
deviant Whore of Babylon in her emerged. How would you feel if the 2000-year love of your life was truly, madly, deeply, passionately, genuinely in love with
another woman? Not defending Ellen, just pointing out that there was motivation behind her voracious cuntiness which was fairly consistent with her character.
But whatevia.
I'm just glad Ellen didn't come back all born anew holier-than-thou with the whole "look at me Saul I'm not a vapid whore anymore, love me" vibe because that would've sucked even harder. Though if Saul/Ellen and Caprica/Baltar end up getting back together in some anemic attempt to force the characters back into some quaint little full circle package then I fuk fuk fuckenass hate this show already. Fuck. |
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Katy Carney |
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I'm really worried about Boomer. I do not want them to execute her (although it would be a fitting end to someone who has had such a horrible twisted
existence).
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barnabusb |
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Why do Saul and Caprica love each other so much again? They did it in a prison cell a few times?
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sugarrhill |
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Is there a reason why the latest episode hasn't been uploaded to Hulu or the Sci-Fi website yet? There is still another new episode this Friday, right?
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El Cosmonaut |
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barnabusb wrote:Hells, yeah. I fell in love with my whole cell block when I was in the clink. Overall, this was a horribly written episode -- though I thought some of the humor worked. I wonder if Jane Espenson is given too much leeway when she writes episodes, because of her Buffy pedigree. Other writers are kept on much tighter leash, which is a good thing. Espenson doesn't seem to "get" the show or its characters, and she falls in love with sideplots and minor players. Espenson's interview with The Chicago Tribune's The Watcher shows just how little she gets about the show. Why did Chief want to defect? No real reason. Why did Head 6 return to Baltar? No reason. Etc. At least she gave some reasons about why Adama would want an armed civilian militia on his ship -- though why he'd let Baltar lead that militia is beyond me. |
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shiza h minelli |
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I am hoping they needed to have a cerebral/touching/dead fetus episode to get it out of the way before ramping up to crazy action packed final four epis...
so hoping |
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