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Posts: 1677 (02/19/09 5:44 AM) Registered User |
Jack: (to Eloise) Is [Ben] lying?
Eloise: Probably. When Hurley said Jin's name, the look on his face was odd. Was it that of recognition, or was it 'how do they know my name'? |
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Posts: 43 (02/19/09 6:29 AM) Registered User |
I thought this was a great episode - answered a lot of questions, while still raising a few others in that classic Lost way. Loved the Lapidus surprise; I read
spoilers and still had no clue about that one. I need to find a high res screencap or video of the previews for next week. It may have been a trick of the eye,
or the possibly the fact that I've been fighting a migraine for three days, but when Locke was standing on the chair with the noose in front of him, there
was a closeup of his feet, and ... did he have only four toes on his right foot? There was something about his foot that caught my eye; it went by so fast, but
left me, literally, pointing at the screen with my mouth hanging open.
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Posts: 20692 (02/19/09 7:02 AM) Registered user |
Some thoughts...
Ben's appearance at the marina gave me very bad feelings about Desmond, Penny and/or little Charlie. Eloise's talk about the equations gave me hope that the numbers will have a significance beyond Hurley's psychosis (even if the math is completely fictional). I'm convinced now that John Locke and Christian Shepherd are somehow one and the same, maybe not as people off the island, but on the island (as agents of the island or "Jacob"). First, you have Jack on a fated plane trip transporting his father's body in a casket (and whoops, the body's nowhere to be found on the island, but people are seeing Christian all over the damn place). Now, you have Jack on another fated plane trip transporting Locke's body in a casket (and I just can't see that casket not ending up as 'empty' once they return). Jack's most meaningful struggles seem to involve either his father or Locke's faith (vs. his own science). And now we learn that Jack retrieved his father's shoes for Locke, who's had his own issues with legs and feet. Can't wait to see where it all goes. Definitely liked this episode, and thought it appropriate that the O6's return to the island starts from Jack's point of view (I wouldn't expect to learn of the circumstances that got the others back on the plane in the same episode - they've only got 44 (42?) minutes. I was thinking that looking back it would seem Aaron should be on the plane since (without getting into a "when does life begin" dicussion) his mother was pregnant with him on the plane, but were there toddlers on Flight 815? What if Kate is pregnant, thus "recreating Claire?" I'm assuming Aaron is with his grandmother. And Hurley having a guitar makes me think that Charlie has something to do with him getting on that plane. Gotta know why Sun would leave Ji Yeon, thought I suspect "unpredictability" warnings from Eloise would make having Ji Yeon on that flight a non-option. But every Sun needs some dick, so.... The Lapidus reveal was a nice surprise, as was Dharma Jim, but I guess airport security is just as lax on TV as it is in real life. Nobody at Ajira seemed to recognize that there were Flight 815 (which had to have been a big deal in the airline industry) survivors on a plane wherein one passenger buys 76 seats. Love it. |
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Posts: 6100 (02/19/09 7:47 AM) MESS member |
Others have mentioned that Kate is likely pregnant, which I agree with. I have to wonder if Ben is somehow involved and Kate was the one who injured him. But I
would expect her to tell Jack about this, unless Ben is somehow blackmailing her to keep quiet.
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Posts: 1463 (02/19/09 7:50 AM) Registered user |
First time poster in the Lost forum! I'm loving this season and I think it's about time I start posting here.
I get feeling Ben wasn't able to go through with his "promise" to take care of Penny. I'm willing to wager Desmond arrived in the nick of time - hence Ben's beatdown and tardiness. I'm not too worried for her, yet. My luck, the first scene is going to be Penny's lifeless body next week. 
Overall, I didn't enjoy this episode as much as the ones we've seen in the past few weeks - but as most people pointed out, it was all stuff that had to be done and it advanced the plot. Loved Lapidus being the pilot though! And I love the fact that the S6 are back on the island, and we will get to see where the story goes from here. Also, I know a bunch of posters here are convinced Kate gave Aaron to someone for now, but I'm not on that boat. I just don't see anyway she GAVE Aaron to anyone, especially not knowing is she will be able to come back. Someone took him, and I'm guessing it's Claire. |
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Posts: 2033 (02/19/09 8:02 AM) MWV Champ
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Yeah, & we always wondered how Jack could have landed perfectly in a bamboo thatch without any bamboo being disturbed. Looks like he did it again. How'd Hurley manage to hang onto that guitar case when he put it in the seat next to him? And how did Kate not even get a scratch when she landed on a hard rock?Fluffy - they didn't crash so they didn't have any cuts or bruises. They merely got close enough to the island (or bubble) and flashed with the island. They were doing the "time warp."
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Posts: 551 (02/19/09 8:09 AM) Registered user |
Antithesys wrote:So the whole point of Lost is that the O6 has to scout locations for the next Survivor? |
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Posts: 16858 (02/19/09 8:16 AM) I want "this won't end well" too. |
Really loved this episode. Lots of funny lines ("Probably!" "Who Cares?" "My mom taught me." "We're not going to Guam,
are we?"). The Lapidus reveal. I yelled out LAPIDUS! Hurley trying to save as many people as possible. Manditory "This is the best show on TV"
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Posts: 1271 (02/19/09 8:36 AM) |
aslanscubs wrote: What I got from that last scene was that the plane did crash, as soon as it did though they were flashed to the same time as the other survivors did. I'm guessing that Locke did get the island to stop flashing through time and the survivors plus Daniel, Miles, ect are all stuck in the past because they were in the past when Locke spun the wheel. So the plane has crashed, but a decade or so ahead of where our castaways are in time. This would explain why we've seen Jin and Daniel in Dharma suits. It looks as though they have been trapped in the past and had to assimilate into the Dharma initiative to get by. It would explain Daniel being able to warn Charlotte when she was a child too. Like Papayoke was saying up above about Hurley's numbers being important for something, I bet they use them in the chamber, once it's built, to flash forward to real time later in the series. |
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Posts: 6101 (02/19/09 9:34 AM) MESS member |
Michael J Fox should really get a cameo. And Christopher Lloyd and a DeLoreon.
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Posts: 886 (02/19/09 10:37 AM) MESS member |
If Jack, Kate, and Hurely flashed to the island from the plane that seems inconsistant to me. When they were in the helicopter they didn't flash. The
helicopter was closer to the island than the freighter and Jin flashed with the island but they didn't. Also, I'm sure the helicopter was flying much
lower and closer to the island than their plane to Guam. The other inconsistant thing is that no one has changed location when the island has flashed. If
flashing to island is how they really got back to the island I'm disappointed with the writers for the obvious inconsistancies. They do such a great job
that I would expect that such a key plot point as getting back to the island would make more sense.
To the poster who thought Locke might talk to Jack: I was wondering the same thing in that scene. lol |
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Posts: 1857 (02/19/09 10:43 AM) Registered user |
ErgotOgre wrote:All I saw was a cast. That's probably a result of him falling into the wishing well pit. In the replay eppy the captions indicated that when Locke was in the pit after the well was gone he was in a time before the well was dug. That kind of screws up my theory that there may have been water down there and that the well was actually there to get water. And that the water had strange life giving properties. Anyway, that would seem to move the origin of the wheel back to the time of the Black Rock or earlier to the ancient civilization. Tunnels like that underground on volcanic islands are often caused by melted rock travelling through tubes to lower elevations or to the sea underwater. If the lava is liquid enough once the flow stops you're left with the empty tubes. 
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Posts: 45 (02/19/09 11:52 AM) Registered User |
>>All I saw was a cast. That's probably a result of him falling into the wishing well pit.
Yeah, I found a high-res image at DarkUFO and it was a cast. Had to laugh once I realized the connection my brain made in that second or two that it flashed on the screen though. 
I could just hear the writing staff: "This will really mess with the theorists' heads." "If they even notice it." "They'll notice it. They'll be zooming in to count his toes, and arguing about it being the wrong foot. Just wait, you'll see." |
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Posts: 15251 (02/19/09 11:53 AM) Registered User |
dialed in wrote:Dialed - That's what I was thinking too. Plus, there must have been some kind of Ajira crash since the Ajira water bottle was found on the beach. |
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Posts: 6102 (02/19/09 12:02 PM) MESS member |
Somebody could have carried the water bottles with them.
I hope they do explain how they really got back. If they flashed out of the plane how did Kate survive a fall onto rocks? Or does the flash place them down gently in random locations? If the plane crashed then I hope we do see it happen when they get back to the future. |
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Posts: 23916 (02/19/09 12:14 PM) Gadabout |
Incidentally, Kate could have arrived in the river in the same way Hurley did and then washed up on the rocks. She could have regained consciousness and then
lost it again without remembering it.
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The Dharma Initiative |
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Posts: 318 (02/19/09 12:25 PM) |
SardonicallyIrrelevant wrote: Order of operations, you blind-squirreled follower. |
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Posts: 444 (02/19/09 12:35 PM) Registered user |
Cheyenie wrote:Im sure when we see Kate's Sun's Sayid's story we'll get a better explanation of what happened to that plane and how they ended up on the island. We really didnt see 815's full crash story until we went back to look closer at other people's stories, right? As for why the helicopter didnt flash last season but Jin did...2 things: 1) We havent seen Jin's full story. Maybe we wont, but seeing how he ended up on the freighter, and then floating on a piece of wood, alive, and flashed might be shown later? 2) But even if it isnt, you could make the argument that the Island's warp "bubble" has such an arc that Jin in the water would be within the arc but a helicopter directly above him, higher wouldnt be. And i think the idea is, that neither 815 nor 316 were flying at 30,000 feet when they got to the Island. I think both of them got mechanical errors to make them lose enough altitude to be quite close to the Island by the time it reached it. |
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Posts: 445 (02/19/09 12:47 PM) Registered user |
ItsMeDeb wrote:Jin! :D Seriously though: Sun mostly a proxy for Jin (assassin by circumstance, looking for redemption and boarding plane to reconnect with spouse) Ben is mostly a proxy for Sawyer (wise cracking, con man, bad boy liar with daddy issues.) Sayid mostly a proxy for Kate (good person turned bad, on the run, caught by the law) Locke is a proxy for Christian (dead guy in a coffin, important figure in Jack's life...who Jack also hate and has issues with) Nondescript middle eastern mostly a proxy for Sayid (took Sayids place in line and wished Jack condolences the same way Sayid did, probably has more similarities too) Hurly mostly a proxy for Charlie (the guitar was actually an important item on the island, hurly probably as depressed/suicidal as Charlie was at the time) Kate mostly a proxy for Claire (omg the baby!) Lapidus mostly a proxy for Cindy? (flight crew person who seems to have been on the island before? Cindy yhe flight attendant, who is now we see an Other, must have been on the Island before 815 crash?) And Jack is mostly a proxy for...well...Jack! (and maybe some Locke..looking for a purpose, ready to believe in something) But its also clear that they also are proxies in multiple ways, doesnt have to be 1:1 ratio. Kate seems to also be representing Charlie, with that hungover/sunglasses wearing reveal...Ben representing Charlie by being in the bathroom when the plane crashed, Hurly representing Charlie with the guitar...etc... |
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Posts: 261 (02/19/09 12:50 PM) Registered user |
Sardonically Irreverent wrote:Ben may not have been lying if it's an alternate timeline. One in which his mother didn't die in childbirth. Just a thought. |
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