They willing elected terrorists into their government.
And the government is doing what the voters wanted.
Have you guys ever seen a Hamas Military uniform?
Neither has an Israeli. How the fuck do they know who the civilians are?
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How can you pity the "civilians" in Palestine?
They willing elected terrorists into their government. And the government is doing what the voters wanted. Have you guys ever seen a Hamas Military uniform? Neither has an Israeli. How the fuck do they know who the civilians are? |
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GO ISRAEL! FUCK THOSE HAMAS TERRORISTS! WIN WIN WIN!
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kutabeach |
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Riliss wrote: You're right - it's the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of Hamas to not use civilians as human shields. They refuse that responsibility. |
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Gregoire |
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How can you pity the "civilians" in Palestine? Be careful Greggo, I wouldn't want to switch the word Palestine to, oh I don't know, something closer to home? |
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BackBayBerries |
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Jesus Christ, Riliss. You are unbeliveable. So how exactly would you like Israel to respond to Gaza continually lobbing missiles at them? And don't
bother with the bullshit about how it's HAMAS doing it, not civilians, b/c Gaza's civilians elected HAMAS to represent them, knowing full well what
HAMAS' tactics would be.
Do you have kids? Imagine someone continually poking your little baby with a needle. It's not something that would cause death, much like the lobbing of missiles into Israel won't cause Her demise. But it's pretty fucking annoying, isn't it? It's painful, too, to the person being stuck. How would you respond? |
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bitwrangler |
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Hamas is turning every single civilian death into a PR event. Israel needs to fight this war on the PR front first. They are trying desperately to do so, but
every time a photograph of a wounded or dead Palestinian baby winds up in my morning paper, they lose this fight. Maybe not with me, but someone out there is
feeling outraged by this. Over time, whether it is true or not, the image of dead children and Israel become subtly interlocked. Maybe Israel needs to make
sure the dramatic photos of damages to their side of the strip make it on the AP newswire to counteract this propaganda. Yeah, I know, regardless of what
Israel does, they will ALWAYS be the devil to many in this world.
By reducing the number of civilian deaths, wouldn't Israel actually win the PR war? And they could use more strategic methods to deal with this problem. There is nothing strategic to gain by killing old ladies and children, except to gain sympathy for Hamas. I really don't think Hamas will throw up their hands and become peaceful because of the civilian deaths. In fact, they will use these deaths to perpetuate their cause. It's a death spiral and neither side wants to be rational. Weasel meet Eagle. |
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Vicconius |
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Sorry. Jews are not going to win a PR battle in Europe and the Middle East, ever, no matter what they do.
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bitwrangler |
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I didn't say they would WIN IT. I stupidly suggested that maybe they could lessen the negative PR by using less destructive methods to get rid of Hamas.
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leeter |
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A sad hypothesis runs like this:
Much palestine rage is that their perfect religion, their perfect ideology - is frankly sucking. Why is it that Spain has more GDP than all 22 muslim countries combined? Yeah - that shithole of a country - SPAIN, has a higher GDP than then ENTIRE ISLAMIC WORLD. Is it Israel's fault? Is it all America's fault? Is it America's fault that the entire Islamic world put through a little under 200 international patents over 20 years? South Korea put forward over 10,000. Whose fault is that? HOW is the lack of free inquiry in the Islamic world somebody else's fault? And yet - that's the fundamental issue with Hammas and Palestine. It's a microcosm of the whole war on terrah. The Islamic world wants all the advantages of a free society without actual freedom. So what would you do if you were too fucking stupid to realize that your religion sucks ass? You'd try to destroy the other guy and win the arguement that way. "If we can't have prosperity, those Israeli cunts sure as hell are not going to enjoy it." Western liberalism > Islamic Fascism |
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nomii |
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Rockets from Lebanon strike Israel; 2 hurt
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Matt C |
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I've always been amazed how many people will support Israel no matter how many clusterbombs they drop on civilian areas, Palestinian towns they bulldoze,
millions of refugees they wont allow back into their homeland, etc.
I just have a question. If your home was bulldozed and you were kicked out of your land with nothing, to make room for a religious apartheid state, would you expect none of your people to resist? If you were kept behind a cage and were a second class citizen in your own land? Would you expect 100% of your people to roll over like dogs and do whatever the occupiers wanted? If so, you're a pathetic example of whatever nationality you are. |
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Nat57 |
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Terrorists are crazed,religious,zealots who are told by "allah" to kill the infidels. If somebody murdered a human being in the USA because
"allah" told them to, they would be arrested and tried and given life or the death penalty.
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Matt C |
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Nat57 wrote: So all the 1.5 million Palestinians suffering under Israeli blockade and aggression in the Gaza Strip are terrorists? |
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Mutan |
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Matt I understand your statement. But, Hamas is going about this wrong. If you want to garner support for your cause outside of the Arab world shooting
rockets off, and suicide bombing pizza parlors is not the way to go about it. I would feel sympathetic to their cause if they would have hurled their bodies
in front of that bulldozer and given their life without trying to kill innocent people. It is hard to feel sympathy for them. I am tired of them being called
refugees. Hell they have lived in the same squalor for generations. Build malls and factories do something constructive, and move your citizenry into the
modern world.Gahndi drove England out of India because of his non violent protest showed the world the plight India. He drove out the superior technological
superpower of the day because the rest of the world saw his cause as just and forced England into capitulation.
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Mister Yuck |
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Matt C wrote: Word. DCReads keeps posting that map of all the Arab states, implying that the Palestinians have not shown enough grace to leave their own country. Imagine if someone set up a homeland for themselves in your state and said it's okay you have 49 others to choose from. I guess it sucks if a persecuted group doesn't have their own homeland, but not enough for me to pick up stakes. |
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StarrEise |
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Matt C wrote: Bullshit. If they have a problem over their 'homeland' perhaps they should take it up with Egypt, Syria and Jordan who also took big pieces of land. They get what they deserve. These assholes have been lobbing bombs into Israel for years. Now they don't like it because they're getting their ass handed to them. Boo fucking hoo. |
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Gregoire |
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It's amazing to me how many of you insist on picking a side, as if this is so transparently a black and white issue.
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Mister Yuck |
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StarrEise wrote: First off, Syria didn't take any part of Palestine. Second, Jordan and Egypt haven't had their respective parts since 1967 so it really isn't the same thing is it? |
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Mister Yuck |
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Gregoire wrote: the Palestinians take less of my money, so I'm less hostile |
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Gregoire |
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It would be great if some world leader would stand up and say they were going to drop bombs on both territories equally if they didn't stop their
bickering. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they two had to team up to stop a common foe?
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