Probst on which 4 players belong in a 'Survivor' Hall of Fame.

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Kirblar		#41	[-]
Posts: 7076 (12/10/08 6:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Vecepia unfortunately has the PRoD hanging over her win, as she probably couldn't have beaten Pappy or Kathy in a head to head vote.
Kitty Pryde1		#42	[-]
Posts: 7123 (12/10/08 6:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Tina? I really don't think so. Tina's game play probably wouldn't even be respected if her season had not been the second ever. Richard and Fairplay I would probably agree with. I think I would also go with Boston Rob and Jerri. Tina's gameplay made her the first female winner and it was certainly more deserving than Jerri's hall of fame villain status (which Fairplay EASILY trumps) Her gameplay made her the first female winner, but there had only been two seasons and Vecepia ended up winning two seasons later. It's not like the show had been running for years without a female winner. I don't really see that as being a big deal. If you want to say that things like Richard being the first gay winner, Tina being the first winner, Vecepia being the first black winner, etc. I could understand that, but it's not how I would form my list. Australia was a long time ago so I don't remember everything, but Jerri's villain status came at a time when reality tv wasn't as common as it is today so I think it was a much bigger deal. Your list only includes villains or people generally considered to be negative. Tina had a positive attitude, dominated strategically, pulled off the first ever Survivor coup, and beat an alpha male to prove a woman was capable of winning Survivor against a man. Given that she's one of only two women who can claim to have beaten a guy, plus she's either the oldest or second-oldest winner ever, I think she's deserving of the Hall of Fame.
Charite		#43	[-]
Posts: 153 (12/10/08 6:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: From a strategy perspective Rich, Tina, Rob C and Cirie are certainly the four players who have made the most impact. Limiting a "Hall of Fame" to four players is pretty arbitrary though. That only favors the oldest players because of course everything is new at the start
Kirblar		#44	[-]
Posts: 7077 (12/10/08 6:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charite wrote: Kirblar wrote: From a strategy perspective Rich, Tina, Rob C and Cirie are certainly the four players who have made the most impact. Limiting a "Hall of Fame" to four players is pretty arbitrary though. That only favors the oldest players because of course everything is new at the start Cirie being referred to as an "old school" player is sad.
kenc333		#45	[-]
Posts: 5725 (12/10/08 6:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sicycat wrote: tullfan2 wrote: Yau-man Yeah! First survivor to make a fake idol ftw. I think I remember in the insider clips of Exile Island... I'm pretty sure Austin made a fake idol out of a stick and that amulet he got in the very first challenge of the game and was gonna say he found it while on exile with Danielle, but he didn't go through with the plan because of morals or something... And I guess while I'm here... my 4 pics: Richard Tina Rob C Cirie But if I could be as biased as I wanted, swap Tina for Amanda and Richard for Yul. =)
Mikester		#46	[-]
Posts: 528 (12/10/08 6:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Tina? I really don't think so. Tina's game play probably wouldn't even be respected if her season had not been the second ever. Richard and Fairplay I would probably agree with. I think I would also go with Boston Rob and Jerri. Tina's gameplay made her the first female winner and it was certainly more deserving than Jerri's hall of fame villain status (which Fairplay EASILY trumps) Her gameplay made her the first female winner, but there had only been two seasons and Vecepia ended up winning two seasons later. It's not like the show had been running for years without a female winner. I don't really see that as being a big deal. If you want to say that things like Richard being the first gay winner, Tina being the first winner, Vecepia being the first black winner, etc. I could understand that, but it's not how I would form my list. Australia was a long time ago so I don't remember everything, but Jerri's villain status came at a time when reality tv wasn't as common as it is today so I think it was a much bigger deal. Your list only includes villains or people generally considered to be negative. Tina had a positive attitude, dominated strategically, pulled off the first ever Survivor coup, and beat an alpha male to prove a woman was capable of winning Survivor against a man. Given that she's one of only two women who can claim to have beaten a guy, plus she's either the oldest or second-oldest winner ever, I think she's deserving of the Hall of Fame. All of them being villains is just coincidence. You'll have to refresh me on what coup Tina pulled off because I honestly don't remember? If you mean the fact that Ogakor took control at the merge, that wasn't really a coup considering that they were 5-5 and Tagi did the same thing the previous season. And there were 3 women who beat a man in the finals, Tina, Jenna, and Amber. I think the specifics of her in general (age, gender, random things she was third or fourth in or one of five to do) don't really qualify her. That's just my opinion.
Katy Carney		#47	[-]
Posts: 2635 (12/10/08 7:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Tina, even with being the first woman to win and the winner in the most popular season, was completely overshadowed by Jerri, Colby and even Elisabeth and Mike to some degree.
Charite		#48	[-]
Posts: 156 (12/10/08 7:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: Charite wrote: Kirblar wrote: From a strategy perspective Rich, Tina, Rob C and Cirie are certainly the four players who have made the most impact. Limiting a "Hall of Fame" to four players is pretty arbitrary though. That only favors the oldest players because of course everything is new at the start Cirie being referred to as an "old school" player is sad. No I mean on "making the most impact". Of course that's going to be all the players who came first. They created the game because they were the firsts but that's obvious
Mybuddy2		#49	[-]
Posts: 1176 (12/10/08 7:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The 4 Players who belong in HOF Stephanie Legrossa Stephame Steph Stephanie
astroline		#50	[-]
Posts: 1822 (12/10/08 7:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Probst is a fucking idiot. But we know this. Cirie Tom W. Stephenie Rich Those are my choices.
Knoxville Jackass		#51	[-]
Posts: 59 (12/10/08 8:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Richard & Rupert should be the only 2 who truly deserve their spots, I know people hate Rupert, I'm not a big fan either, but he is the most popular Survivor ever and was at one time the face of Survivor, he actually got people talking about Survivor again. The other Survivor's mentioned here, people can make a case of, but I think none of them are as deserving as Rich & Rupert. My picks for the other 2 spots are Rob C, he is the best player to never win, I know Cirie supporter's will disagree. I think Cirie is a great player and deserves recognition for her game playing, but I don't think she is as deserving as Rob C. The other spot would have to be Jerri, or possibly Stephanie in my opinion. I disagree with Tina, she is a great winner, but I don't recall people talking much about Tina while Outback was airing on tv, the only one people heard about was Jerri, and in my opinion, Outback wasn't as good anymore once Jerri was voted out. Stephanie is the most popular female contestant ever, so she deserves a possible spot as well.
iluvbbsofun		#52	[-]
Posts: 898 (12/10/08 8:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Richard JFP Tom W Amber
MJSLawrence		#53	[-]
Posts: 1918 (12/10/08 8:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: For anyone who didn't watch it, the comcast guy said: Richard Rob C. Fairplay Sue Probst said: Richard Tom W. Rupert ( at "That's why we did the second show...to give him [Rupert] the million dollars.") Tina ("...even though Colby became my friend" ) I'd probably say Richard, Sue, Jerri, and Rob C., but I can see the case for the other people they mentioned. Oh my GOD...for a guy that's been such a part of the game and seen every game and season, Probst STILL manages to be dillusional and not get the game...I really don't get that guy...Tina, Rupert and Tom?? Are you kidding me? And this on the heels of calling Jenna least deserving winner ever...I think the biggest surprise in his picks is that he chose a WOMAN for the Hall Of Fame...big leap for the sexist moron...
MJSLawrence		#54	[-]
Posts: 1919 (12/10/08 8:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Tina? I really don't think so. Tina's game play probably wouldn't even be respected if her season had not been the second ever. Richard and Fairplay I would probably agree with. I think I would also go with Boston Rob and Jerri. Tina's gameplay made her the first female winner and it was certainly more deserving than Jerri's hall of fame villain status (which Fairplay EASILY trumps) Her gameplay made her the first female winner, but there had only been two seasons and Vecepia ended up winning two seasons later. It's not like the show had been running for years without a female winner. I don't really see that as being a big deal. If you want to say that things like Richard being the first gay winner, Tina being the first winner, Vecepia being the first black winner, etc. I could understand that, but it's not how I would form my list. Australia was a long time ago so I don't remember everything, but Jerri's villain status came at a time when reality tv wasn't as common as it is today so I think it was a much bigger deal. Your list only includes villains or people generally considered to be negative. Tina had a positive attitude, dominated strategically, pulled off the first ever Survivor coup, and beat an alpha male to prove a woman was capable of winning Survivor against a man. Given that she's one of only two women who can claim to have beaten a guy, plus she's either the oldest or second-oldest winner ever, I think she's deserving of the Hall of Fame. It's ridiculous to say Tina deserves credit for being the first FEMALE winner...it was only the second season...why do people feel that women are somehow automatically the underdogs or less deserving simply based on what dangles or doesn't between their legs...?? She outplayed the rest, whether she was female or not...and I'm no Tina fan but come on, men and women are equal and equally deserving in this game, if they play it well...
Demonic Tutor		#55	[-]
Posts: 278 (12/10/08 8:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well we already know Jeff's hard-on for Australia and alpha males like Tom
menelaus		#56	[-]
Posts: 32 (12/10/08 8:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There are my picks: Richard Rob C. Fairplay Tom Each of these players basically changed how the game was played in some way. Richard's impact is obvious, and the comcast dude basically covered why Rob C. and Fairplay have greatly influenced gameplay. I actually agree with Jeff of the Tom pick, because he was the first ever alpha male to win. All of the other major leaders and challenge threats had lost. Yes, Colby got close, but Tina completely played him. The thing is, after Tom won, we got more of these types of winners, mainly Aras and Yul, and more of these types of players did well (they all got far in Fiji, even though Earl ended up winning). It wasn't really until China that big time athletes started getting beat up on again. However, arbitrarily cutting it off at four makes the list way too small. With more space, I would also add Tina (she basically conned everyone out there), Brian (the guy is a sociopath, but that also makes him one of, if not the best player ever), Steph (only Palau Steph. Guatemala Steph was not nearly so compelling, and one could argue that even though she got farther, she played worse), Cirie (another one of those insane social and strategic players. She didn't do that much that was completely revolutionary, just small things here and there performed with impeccable execution), Todd (same reason as Cirie), and Amanda (making the finals twice deserves this). Rupert does not deserve a spot, imo. Yes, he was popular, but he sucked at the game. He threw a challenge to get rid of Burton, which ended up completely undermining his tribe's dominance, and then he got blindsided completely. Then, during the next season, he, along with Tom, Jenna, and Alicia, basically hand Romber the win. They don't try ANYTHING to stop him, even though he is even more obviously in control than John Carroll was back in Marquesas when he was saying "I am in control" to everyone (maybe this is a mild exaggeration, but it was pretty bad). How does he even get considered, because he is popular? Popular does not equal anything in survivor, except maybe getting completely destroyed.
Quiddity		#57	[-]
Posts: 4230 (12/10/08 8:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Tina? I really don't think so. Tina's game play probably wouldn't even be respected if her season had not been the second ever. Richard and Fairplay I would probably agree with. I think I would also go with Boston Rob and Jerri. Tina's gameplay made her the first female winner and it was certainly more deserving than Jerri's hall of fame villain status (which Fairplay EASILY trumps) Her gameplay made her the first female winner, but there had only been two seasons and Vecepia ended up winning two seasons later. It's not like the show had been running for years without a female winner. I don't really see that as being a big deal. If you want to say that things like Richard being the first gay winner, Tina being the first winner, Vecepia being the first black winner, etc. I could understand that, but it's not how I would form my list. Australia was a long time ago so I don't remember everything, but Jerri's villain status came at a time when reality tv wasn't as common as it is today so I think it was a much bigger deal. Your list only includes villains or people generally considered to be negative. Tina had a positive attitude, dominated strategically, pulled off the first ever Survivor coup, and beat an alpha male to prove a woman was capable of winning Survivor against a man. Given that she's one of only two women who can claim to have beaten a guy, plus she's either the oldest or second-oldest winner ever, I think she's deserving of the Hall of Fame. All of them being villains is just coincidence. You'll have to refresh me on what coup Tina pulled off because I honestly don't remember? If you mean the fact that Ogakor took control at the merge, that wasn't really a coup considering that they were 5-5 and Tagi did the same thing the previous season. And there were 3 women who beat a man in the finals, Tina, Jenna, and Amber. I think the specifics of her in general (age, gender, random things she was third or fourth in or one of five to do) don't really qualify her. That's just my opinion. I believe the 'coup' being referred to is when Mitchell was voted out, which shifted the power in the game from Jerri-Mitchell-Colby to Tina-Colby-Keith.
Thailandsurvivor		#58	[-]
Posts: 3676 (12/10/08 8:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Mikester wrote: Tina? I really don't think so. Tina's game play probably wouldn't even be respected if her season had not been the second ever. Richard and Fairplay I would probably agree with. I think I would also go with Boston Rob and Jerri. Tina's gameplay made her the first female winner and it was certainly more deserving than Jerri's hall of fame villain status (which Fairplay EASILY trumps) Her gameplay made her the first female winner, but there had only been two seasons and Vecepia ended up winning two seasons later. It's not like the show had been running for years without a female winner. I don't really see that as being a big deal. If you want to say that things like Richard being the first gay winner, Tina being the first winner, Vecepia being the first black winner, etc. I could understand that, but it's not how I would form my list. Australia was a long time ago so I don't remember everything, but Jerri's villain status came at a time when reality tv wasn't as common as it is today so I think it was a much bigger deal. Your list only includes villains or people generally considered to be negative. Tina had a positive attitude, dominated strategically, pulled off the first ever Survivor coup, and beat an alpha male to prove a woman was capable of winning Survivor against a man. Given that she's one of only two women who can claim to have beaten a guy, plus she's either the oldest or second-oldest winner ever, I think she's deserving of the Hall of Fame. All of them being villains is just coincidence. You'll have to refresh me on what coup Tina pulled off because I honestly don't remember? If you mean the fact that Ogakor took control at the merge, that wasn't really a coup considering that they were 5-5 and Tagi did the same thing the previous season. And there were 3 women who beat a man in the finals, Tina, Jenna, and Amber. I think the specifics of her in general (age, gender, random things she was third or fourth in or one of five to do) don't really qualify her. That's just my opinion. I believe the 'coup' being referred to is when Mitchell was voted out, which shifted the power in the game from Jerri-Amber-Mitchell-Colby to Tina-Colby-Keith. Fixed and that's it. Mikester, no idea how you forgot about that.
Thailandsurvivor		#59	[-]
Posts: 3677 (12/10/08 8:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charite wrote: Kirblar wrote: From a strategy perspective Rich, Tina, Rob C and Cirie are certainly the four players who have made the most impact. Limiting a "Hall of Fame" to four players is pretty arbitrary though. That only favors the oldest players because of course everything is new at the start The question was which 4 players made the biggest impact on the show...so of course that's the older season players. What's so bad about that? You can't honestly tell me that anyone from Post ASS was more influential than...say Jerri. Yes, even Cirie.
gordonholmes		#60	[-]
Posts: 14 (12/10/08 10:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If I could go back and change my picks, I'd probably agree with Probst and replace Sue with Rupert. I'm not a Rupert fan, but he is the first person post-Australia to weasel his way into pop culture.

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