9) How do I give Sugar a P?

If you have some kind of infatuation with Corrine don't take it out on me when she gets a shitty edit.
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Warrior |
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Randy's edit was all about Randy hating Crystal...Didn't you see the episode?
9) How do I give Sugar a P? ![]()
If you have some kind of infatuation with Corrine don't take it out on me when she gets a shitty edit. |
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MultiGeminii |
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5. That's an absolutely integral part of playing Survivor! No, you might not like someone, but you pretend to because that's the game and you want to live to play another day. How can you fault Corinne for not liking all 17 of the strangers she's being made to play with? Hell, I'm impressed that she's managed to put on such great masks with them considering her very frank way of speaking. Are you telling me you don't have people in your everyday life ( coworkers, family, etc. ) who you don't really like, but you play up to because you kind of have to?Great masks? Did you miss the Fang talking about how horrid she is or Sugar's voting confessional? She's not pulling off being nasty in confessionals and diplomatic to people's face the way she thinks she is. Face it, she's playing a very poor social game right now. You can't only be nice to you alliance. |
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colleenlover |
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it has nothing to do with the reality of the situation -it's just the hunch on what one thinks the intent is.
I saw this reality cartoon once by Disney called Cinderella. There were these two stepsisters and they edited them really negative, and this Cinderella chick really positive. Turns out, after the show, these two stepsisters had a legitimate beef with Cinderella because she kept bringing rodents and diseased birds into their home and was mentally unhinged- even making them clothes (!!!) But in the end, Cinderella won the gameshow, and it made a more satisfying ending to make the two stepsisters more OTTN. |
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craig |
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No my dear CL Cinderella got booted at F6 when she went on a power trip as the swing vote, and the brunette stepsister went on to win the game and redeem her
reputation.
This season's editing is very strange, and it's not just me thinking that. I've had friends email me today that they miss Marcus, they don't get the editing of Fang being losers and negative, and suddenly they are supposed to be rooting for them over oldI agree totally! Sucks preference for fang is really weird, and seems to betray either a bias against alpha males or in favour of the minorities (KCS) that has no basis in editing. Remember how they edited Ami's tribe and Steph's Axis of Evil in seasons when they blew it, and a comback player won. All the negativity on Fang probably means Corinne or Randy avenge the Competent and Deserving Onions. A lot of people ruled out Chris and Danni when they won as comeback players, and Corinne's edit is better than Danni's. Going deeply UTR in pre-merge non-TC episodes when your tribe is on a long winning speak isn't that big of a deal. |
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getting real |
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You have negativity, then you have Randy. Randy has been caricaturized beyond recall. If he were to win, it would less about avenging the Deserving Onions than about Evil obliterating any hint of goodness and leaving Eden no hope of redemption. In Eden, it ain't gonna happen. Corinne's is a slightly different edit. Greater care has been taken to soften her 'evil' side. She has been tended to. OO said: Though it's too bad Kenny's becoming so arrogant and unlikeable.OO, great to see you back. Thought the season was spoilt beyond redemption for you? Who would've thought being 'spoiled' could have taken on such a meaning in this forum? |
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theskoffingskeptic |
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To Warrior ( sorry about the first post, I woke up in a very "Randy" mood this morning - nothing weird :) 1. I think it was important because it was one of the few times Corinne has been edited to stand up for someone as opposed to just, well, hating them. I thought it presented her in a P tone. ( Remember I gave her a CPM for ep8 ). 2. & 3. Fair enough. 4. I'm sorry, but it was blatantly clear that the editors were attempting ( even if you weren't personally swayed by their attempt ) to put a P spin on Corinne during the entire reward sequence. 5. & 6. In retrospect, absolutely correct. Corinne's comments were edited to be a bit negative ( and foreshadow Sugar's betrayal of the Onions ) and Sugar has, in the past, been edited positive. However, in reality, Corinne was playing the game well and Sugar does appear to be a moron, despite what she and the editors want us to think ( not that reality matters on Edgic, so I concede the points to you ). 7. I'm sorry, but I stand by everything I said about the Randy vs. Crystal TC sequence. |
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BlakeB717 |
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I repeat that if Sugar was intended to be positive they would have shown her give some kind of confessional or facetime at that reward; but they didn't.
She was just a swing vote, and no side was more P than the other at that point, so whomever she booted it wasn't like we were suppose to be happy with her
choice. It's a new Sugar.
If faceshots of Sugar equal tone then I'm going to have to give Randy a P for his smiles at TC. |
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AbbyGirl |
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Blake, I agree. Sugar can cry and smile, but she is making mistakes out there like everyone else. What she said about Bob not finding the idol because she had
it sounded a bit smug. I think if she leaves before F3 or doesn't get any votes if she is there, we will soon see why she loses the game.
Craig, I have agreed with many of your posts lately because you are saying what I have a gut feeling about. Someone from old Kota that Marcus likes makes F3 somehow. Edgic is saying it's Ken or Matty, I agree the numbers look better for them. But they looked good for Marcus, too. Marcus is now sitting on the jury, and I think more changes are coming. It could go just the way many edgic posters predict, three of Matty/Ken/Crystal/Sugar/Susie make F3 and most likely Ken wins. But the first half of the season mislead us, we rooted for someone that was booted before merge who we thought would be in the end. We wanted Kota to get to the end because we liked them and saw way too much of Fang's negativity to make any of them palatable for a Survivor winner. Matty looks okay, but he is missing come complexity that a winner should have had by now. Ken looks a little negative to me now, Sugar is smug at times, Crystal is....Crystal! Editing is telling us two things, it's confusing us. Logic is telling me that one of the onions makes it through somehow, if not, then the editing really has been bad this season. I think Corinne is more memorable than Danni was, I thought Danni was invisible quite a few times. But she was shown at certain times that you wondered why they did that.....well, because she dug herself out of a hole, she beat evil Steph and her lemmings, and she won. |
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scepticA |
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My gosh, but this is a great season in edgic. I mean by that - this thread. We're dissecting episodes down to the cellular level, and it's so much
more interesting than the "let's play devil's advocate and try and figure out why Earl won't win" stuff in other seasons.
Re Randy - as I said earlier, he's always been this way, except that in this episode A) it was more so, and B) there was little of the strategic (and accurate) commentary to offset his orneriness - hope that's a word. So of course he's OTTN. But... at the RC, he mentioned that he thought one of the dancers was interested in him, which was nice because the last time that happened Ike was in the White House (or some such). Now, does that one slightly charming moment of P-ness give him an M? After all, Corrine liked a 2-year old, when normally she'd be thought of as the one who would take little kiddie's toys from them (or some such.) Apparently, liking a 2-year old gives you an M, but liking a 20-year old is just dirty old man stuff. Neither is sufficient to be the sole P stuff to offset tons o' N. Corrine was N. Yes, it is strategic to be nice to people you don't like (as in your job, was noted). But you don't then go to the break room and diss that person with how much of a MORON she was on the Smith Account, and how you've been cruel to her for months, yet you're nice to her over the coffee machine just this once and she's so dumb she falls for it. It's one thing to know basic Survivor skills, it's another to gloat --- and it's much more so when the "dumb moron" you've wrapped around your finger actually turns out to not be wrapped around your finger. Corrine was N, because IMO the whole Corrine confessional about the general level of Sugar dumbness was put in solely to make Corrine look (once again) as if she's mean and not on top of things. Too bad - I like both Randy and Corrine.... as characters in a reality show. Sugar - what a peculiar edit. Is it just a pefunctory "sweetheart" edit and because she fits the young/cute tag she gets this edit? I simply don't understand how she's playing the game, or why she is doing what she's doing. It is never explained to us. I am keeping her as the 3rd choice to win simply because I can't figure out what she's up to, so thank you editors for making a player with the idol a complete mystery. She's dumb/smart, wiley/naive. I, like the beloved colleenlover, don't do ratings much any more. They sort of get in the way of my enjoyment, and after 11+ seasons of edgic I don't need them to help me understand the game - heck, just read what's here and you get a great gob of insight. And nice to see new blood that seems to care. Who's likely winner? Ken. Matty. maybe hmmmm don't know.... sugar Corrine has 2 (or 1) INVs. Bad enough for me. And I really didn't like her "Marcus deserved to stay" comments, but not because they reflected horribly on her. It was emotional, but it was basically just a complaint that someone in her alliance was gone. Kenny (and Susie) responded quite accurately - "who IS deserving to go?" and "It's a game." The only thing that intrigued me about the inclusion of these comments was ... they were included. What Kenny and Susie said were so clearly obvious that I believe they were intended solely to placate viewers upset by Marcus' departure from the game. Which (as I'll discuss in a moment) is another reason why I don't understand why we're not supposed to be on Kota's side any more. My problem with Ken's edit is more of an emanation from the edgical penumbra than the hard and fast rules. He started out as the nice naive guy. Kept hanging in there, but now his niceness is really not around any more. Like Craig, I'm wondering why I'm supposed to root for Fang suddenly. They were not likeable, and now we see them in control and there's no sense of joy, like the Rotu 4 getting played. He's allied with two players whom the editors have provided basically few reasons to root for - Crystal and Susie. The only original Fang that I have any sort of emotional connection to is Matty, because he's the one that most accurately conveyed the frustration exhibited through the entire edit that Fang was an awful tribe. So what things have happened in the edit to make that change? This aspect of the edit is IMO the strongest case for Matty, and would be the most emotionally satisfying end. the problem, of course, is that there are still many episodes to go - Kenny could get the redemption arc. (I base much of the above on the JP statement that the viewer will be happy - or whatever - with the winner. I'll be happier with Matty, just because he's overcome a lot more than Kenny. So start in on a redemption arc for Kenny... make us think he's in trouble and the poor kid is on the outs or in danger. And what exactly is Kenny's SPVs from others? Not much, except the generic "let's boot Kenny" stuff in the Marcus boot ep. That was personal - that is, about Kenny as a person - but just generic tactical stuff. Not that a winner needs a lot of SPV (hello, Earl) but in this odd season I'd like more Kenny-ness from other players other than the TC kudos. In fact, that stuff at TC made me worried about him.) My random comment filter must be in the ON position tonight. |
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cindidindi76 |
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I'm glad other people are in the same camp as I am regarding Fang. Yes, they lost all those challenges, so ti had to be shown, but they didn't have to
be shown as this horrible, stupid, bumbling, asinine, completely worthless tribe. Ulong lost just as much, but instead they (mostly) got the plucky underdog
tribe that never gives up edit. They could have easily not slaughtered Fang anywhere near as much with the edit/recaps, and still shown us how much they
sucked. Fang's edit was waaaaaaaay beyond just showing what actually happened, because even the few good moves they made were reported to us as being
stupid.
And yes, orneriness is a word, lol. |
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wallduck |
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I have more of a problem with the "Corinne and/or Randy and/or Sugar are still alive edgically" bullshit that's been infecting this thread since Marcus got turfed. Those three can still be speculated to win by their fans but this spec/fandom DOES NOT belong in Edgic. Period.
Understood. But the reality is that the thread always gets invaded at this time of season by posters who don't really know or
care about edgic. Because it's the most popular spec thread, it naturally draws the fans, whose approach is to simply sprinkle the word "edit"
into every other sentence. There's not much to do about it, except grin
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Prior to this episode, I would say Randy was still alive. But now he's done done done.
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theskoffingskeptic |
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wallduck wrote: Several posters seem to be laboring under the idea that Edgic was sent down from Heaven to help us magically and infallibly calculate the winner of Survivor. It's as though they've forgotten the entire Marcus fiasco. I think after sixteen seasons of Survivor, the editors have realized that any relatively intelligent fan has learned to recognize the patterns in the editing and it may be time to try something slightly different. They baited us down the rabbit hole after Marcus and we bought it. They're now doing the exact same edit with Ken, but very few people are attempting to look at the new situation with fresh, Post-Marcus eyes. The season started with "Bad Fang" vs. the heroic "Good Kota" lead by an obvious winner, Marcus. The merge started with "Bad Kota/Onions" vs. the heroic underdogs "Good Fang" lead by an obvious winner, Ken. Veteran posters are so ensconced in the Edgic system that they're oblivious to the noses on their faces. An overtly negative/positive player can't win, they say for example. Yet every remaining contestant could easily be separated into overtly "negative" ( to varying degrees: Corinne, Crystal, Kenny, Randy, Susie ) and "positive" ( Bob, Matty, Sugar ) sets. Corinne and Randy's early ( and for Corinne, more recent ) edits should not be forgotten. Kenny has a 60% shot at closing the deal on Gabon IMO, I just think posters should be open to evolving changes in Edgic formula and end-gamers they don't expect.
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AbbyGirl |
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I have been reading Edgic for years, I didn't post because some posters here could be mean to newcomers and I wanted to make sure I knew what I was talking
about if I did post. I know Edgic, and I care about Edgic, I would not read it or bother to post here now if I didn't. I throw in the word edit only when I
am talking about the edit, which is often since that is part of the name "Edgic". I read KQ's posts and missed him when he left, I was here
reading before OTH started posting. You can take me lightly because I just started posting here, but I am no dummy or young school kid that writes things just
to see it in print. I think I know what's going on even though I don't get the first half of this season like so many other seasoned and
"smarter" edgicers. Sorry, I feel a little of Corinne in my blood tonight! I don't think new posters here should be ignored or brushed off
because they are new or have differing opinions of the majority. I said I thought as far as Edgic was concerned Ken and Matty were the best choices, but as far
as my gut feelings and the editing before last week, I see more changes coming. I'm not saying Randy or Corinne wins, but I thought Marcus would be in
longer and probably win (like almost everyone else here) and look what happened. We just don't know, do we? :)
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Casey333 |
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theskoffingskeptic wrote: This must all be true because it's posted in gigantic font. |
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craig |
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Corrine has 2 (or 1) INVs. Bad enough for me. And I really didn't like her "Marcus deserved to stay" comments, but not because they reflected horribly on her. It was emotional, but it was basically just a complaint that someone in her alliance was gone. Kenny (and Susie) responded quite accurately - "who IS deserving to go?" and "It's a game."No, that scene was P for Corinne, and together with the reward scene was enough to earn her M. She genuine CARED about Marcus, not just as a vote she was using. Earlier she missed Marcus, wanted to see him again. Only hard-bitten gamers are nihilistic enough to completely exclude the concept of deserving from Survivor. Marcus did everything right socially and athletically up to F10, but was screwed by a somewhat unfair twist and unlucky placement in the minority. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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But that's not how the edit portrayed it, Craig.
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theskoffingskeptic |
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Casey333 wrote: Sorry. I'm a young guy, but I just have trouble reading the posts where the lines of text are right on top of one another and try to make mine as legible as possible. |
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Casey333 |
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and Corinne's edit is better than Danni's Did Danni roll her eyes when another contestant mentioned their dead father? I don't remember that scene. I also don't remember Danni getting one INV, much less two. But that's neither here nor there. |
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poop |
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AbbyGirl wrote:I'm not claiming to be an edgic master or anything... but I'm pretty sure that she did have the idol and Bob couldn't have and in fact did not find the idol. An average person wouldn't see that as smug in the least. It even showed him walking right past where the idol was, then doubting that she had it. |
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