trinity17888 wrote:And Marcus was voted out at the only TC he didn't have immunity.
chad6 wrote:... They only went to 2 TCs.
Haha. This is so true. Matty even sounds like Ozzy some of the times.
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trinity17888 wrote:And Marcus was voted out at the only TC he didn't have immunity. |
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Initial thoughts
Kenny on the boat. Remember Chris riding the horse, the horse goes backwards, then Chris rights it. Hmmmm. Apparently Corrine has nothing on Susie to date. Randy's vote channeling Clay. :-) Good for Susie, but save fire building for tiebreakers. Maybe I am completely off base, but first opinion is that Matty got more fluff and Kenny got more care. The "Marcus more deserving talk" at the RC was interesting, a lot shown between the players. Built in reporting that actually added to the crafting of Kenny's edit and to the original Kota. Kota 6 was filled with a sense of entitlement and Kenny is helping Fang crush that with the viewer along for the ride. The setup is Sugar doesn't trust Kenny, Kenny knows she's smart, she's got Matty's back. All the better when she turns on Matty, with Ken getting some of the credit. I have to put Kenny in the F3 now, and likely Crystal. Not sure about Sugar, but I see Matty just missing the final TC, the last obstacle Kenny has to overcome. Can't wait for Corrine and Randy as jurors. Man, Charlie was all about Marcus! Bob might be hopelessly toast, but that's a P edit in defeat. He wasn't shown as naive to Sugar having the idol. If only... When I took notes on Kenny and Matty I noticed neither got much on their first couple trips to TC. Now, Kenny is getting it in spades. Kitty, do I still need to take notes on Randy? I don't think this is what you were hoping for. I love the guy, but I know he isn't meant to be on the side of right now. Michael |
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McPhever224 wrote:WTF were you watching? |
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I LUV TIJUANA wrote: Yeah...I way screwed up. |
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OnlyTheHunter wrote:he really was! totally explains his edit! |
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I have no idea what's going to happen -well, I have a semi idea. But man, oh man, right now it's just fun to speculate.
Great season. |
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I just realised this is the 3nd time we've been shown Sugar saying she doesn't trust Kenny/Crystal (The Ace boot, post Ace boot and now tonight's
ep) and still voting with them, will this continue to happen?
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colleenlover |
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Most likely the Sugar not trusting Crystal and Kenny is misdirection. If you're playing a game out there, you probably say everything, and you probably
also say you don't completely trust most of your closest allies -interviewers go down a detailed list of questions to give them ample material.
I suspect NewFang worked on a lot of deals and strategy the night before they thought they were merging. And remember Sugar and Ken probably talked a lot before voting out Ace -deals are made when people talk. And Sugar saved Crystal -there was probably talk there too. I think the four (and Susie) are all on the same page. Okay -forgot the intro recap -all Ken and Crystal being the underdogs on Kota -nothing about Matty needing immunity to survive. POINT for Kenny. |
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crzypunk2004 wrote:In the same breath, she mentioned not trusting Corinne and Randy; she then added that she doesn't trust any of these people. So it wasn't Kenny/Crystal specifically. |
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colleenlover |
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Ohhhhhhhh, wait a minute. Marcus said there can only be one Adam.
Ken and Matty are pretty darn close (similar to Marcus and Charlie) -perhaps there are two Adams in Eden at the end -and again, just more irony for Marcus. Final three confessionals from Matty, Kenny commenting on it? Maybe Ken, Matty, Sugar final three? And you can outwit Crystal Cox, baby? |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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I think odds are the final 3 is Ken, Sugar, Susie.
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colleenlover |
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I don't know -rewatching this great TC and a lot of manipulation going on with Sugar -tying her to many themes, but mainly to Ken. I think endgame dynamic
involves them somehow. I actually think Sugar is the safest bet of making the final three (but not winning).
Okay, we also have Bob fake idol. Do we flag this? Is this just more of his ingenuity, or will it be a plot point? Did it need to be shown? There's no one to fool other than Randy, Corrine (Susie?) |
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I think we need to consider that for the most part, the Final 3 is presented to us at some point as a group. It makes sense. I think it makes sense for Kenny
and Sugar to be there. I think that last spot goes to Matty, Crystal, or Susie. I am, however, keeping in mind that Bob is starting to get an arc, and could
penetrate this new Fang superpower. Maybe a Yau-placing? I remember Jeff mentioning pre-season that Corinne is going to be someone to root against, and mention
that if you make it to the end it's hard to get those votes. So maybe she does fulfill her evil destiny. I remember everytime Dan spoke he said 'The
Evil Empire' and it kept showing her. Corinne is an important force, but with Marcus gone, she's become a losing force. The editors don't want
anything to be predicatable. Ken's underdog edit is enjoyable and his clumsy and overcoming obsticles edit isn't obvious; it's curious. CAN he do
it? As edgicers, we know he probably can. But out eyes are still focused on the people we're seeing a lot of; the distractions, and Ken has been well
hidden and now he's emerging as a non-distraction. Matty is just too OTTP theme-relevant.
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Bob: OTTP3 You have to love the guy; what he built will be the standard against which all future fake IIs will be measured. Charlie: MOR4 How could he go on "living" (in Survivor terms) without Marcus? The answer is that he could not. Now re-united in "death" with his true love. Corinne: MOR3 Went from the sublime (the tribal reward) to the ridiculous (how stupid Sugar is) in the same episode. All those extremes end up in the middle. Crystal: OTTN2 This is getting old. Change the record, please. Ken: CP4 I'm a bit worried that this mastermind stuff is being laid on a bit thick. Matty: MORP3 I'm a bit worried that this I love Gabon stuff is being laid on a bit thick. Randy: OTTN4 This is getting even more old. Change the record, please. Nice confessional during the Reward though. Sugar: MORP2 Developing her skills as a swing vote and still has the idol. The t.e.a.r.s for Charlie were a nice touch. Susie: UTR1 After her brief moment of notoriety, sinks back into obscurity (borderline INV rescued only by winning the IC). Notable that there was no post-Marcus boot confessional shown.
Marcus: UTRP1 Gets this rating because of all the SPV -the most for any booted contestant that I can remember (some of the more creative posters will probably think it arrogant of him to get so much).
Winner: Ken / Mattie. Mattie / Ken (nobody else in this horse race). There's aspects of each of their edits that I am uncomfortable with, but bottom line I am less uncomfortable with Ken's at this point in the game. There were a few scenes tonight that helped Ken (him getting the boat sorted out, Mattie wanting time off from the game, Mattie saying that Susie could not make fire). But it ain't over yet. Edited for the t.e.a.r.s word
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A good thing to look at when we talk about reporting versus manipulation...
this episode had Crystal strategizing, running to Susie, Kenny and Matty -"this, this here, we home." as opposed to the Half Time Clean the Slate scene that was pieced together with Sugar, Matty, Crystal and Kenny. two great examples of how to understand storytelling and editing. |
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colleenlover |
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I have a hard time with Susie being in the final three -and I cite Becky as an example. Becky, I believe just didn't talk. Susie talks all the time -her
confessionals are filled with meat.
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This is the most entertaining season in a longggg time.
Quick rundown of who's left and their chances, via whatever tattered remnants of edgic are left scattered in the wind in S17: Susie, Corrine, Crystal, Bob (sigh) - no. Too INV, too OTT. Who I'd like to see in this group - Bob, of course. If he won it would be a stake in the chest of edgic, though. He still, alas, has the decent, heroic OTTP edit. Not much change in tone there through the season - we just like him more. Randy: There were too many opportunities to hear strategic thought from him tonight, and the editors chose to not show them. What did he think about Marcus' boot? We don't know. All we got was bitch and moan. Hey, some bitch/moan from Randy is fine, provided their was the insight to go with it. But in this ep it was all Crystalhate. His chances plummeted because the strategic CP underpinnings of many other episodes simply weren't there. Ken: If you look just at the raw numbers for the ratings this season, Ken fits it very, very well. Nice first episode, then sort of hides a while, then some combos of MOR and CP. Never INV, never too OTT. We saw him as the sweet geek in ep 1, is getting stronger and better. Is even cocky (ohhh.... doubt...) I really see zero wrong with his edgic chances. Matty: Pretty decent ratings arc, but I've heard his tune before - struggling with lousy tribe, not going on many rewards, a bit of anger, some redemption... bobby... PG, Oz... pick 'em. But there have been some very intriguing parts to his edit, like the elephants. Maybe it's likely that the editors toss in cool shots simply because they are so way cool. The wild card is Sugar. I'm trying to think why edgically she won't win, and it's hard to come up with much. Her arc is okay, but there have been too many instances where it seems like she had been pushed around strategically by others, and I've yet to see her learn from her mistakes. Her position today ("Hey, suddenly I'm important") is not a moment that engenders confidence, because winners usually don't have those moments. i want to see her scrap and fight and trick. None of this last stuff is really edgic, but more general editing impressions. Kenny, Matty, Sugar. A wonderful season! BTW, Corrine's edit is plummeting. From now on, whomever she disses I will instantly know will make some brilliant play that wrecks Corrine's chances even more than they are now. |
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Great episode!
Bob: CP3 - Shown to be smart, realizing he was at the bottom and crafting a fake idol. Crystal: CPM3 - Got a little bit cocky. Not sure if we were supposed to be rooting for or against her during tribal. Ken: CPP4 - Ken did a great job highlighting his good moves throughout the season without showing Crystal's cockiness. Great job orchestrating Charlie's boot. Susie: MORP3 - Great job winning immunity. Jeff was impressed, as were we. Still, not a lot of strategy coming from her. Charlie: UTR2 - Honestly, I expected a little more of a reaction at Marcus' boot. Corinne: MOR3 - Could have been a lot bitchier about Marcus' boot. Matty: MORP3 - "I'm the next out." Shows that he's humble. He was also thrilled to be merged. Seemed a bit simple though. Randy: CPM3 - We want to root for him, but at tribal he was a bit of an ass. I still don't know if we were supposed to be rooting for him or Crystal. Sugar: OTTP3 - Love her so much. I want her to win so bad. But she won't. Winners: 1. Matty 2. Ken 3. Randy |
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I agree with much of the Matty-Kenny postings, but here's my 2 cents:
I actually think Sugar is the safest bet of making the final three (but not winning). My feeling too, cl. Also, she isn't one of the players with a confessional in the opening segment of the season. I'm still counting on that. It looks like either Matty or Kenny to me, too. I've only done a first watch, so no real decision yet, but my first take is: Matty Matty had more about getting out of the Fang ghetto (saying he's the only one to be there the whole time.) And he got all the solid comments on the culture outing. Both are consistent to his edit, so it might point to a winner run. But, he's also been flattening out again in development. Agreed, the Ozzy Effect. All culture awareness, physical effort, and wailing about his situation. Kenny This was the big pivotal ep and Kenny got all the tie-ins to his opening confessional: He's grown into a man and come out of his shy shell. He's started to assert himself and stand up to the bullies. Even Randy (who's played the part of the sharp, cynical observer) compliments him on growing up. He refers again to his gaming background and how he is a great strategist and manipulator. (More silly rat noises.) The scene on the boat and in pulling in the fish was a Cirie moment. He has grown from the nerd in the basement and now is proud to be the provider for the two women. Kenny's is the most consistent reflection of his opening confessional of any player. This also sealed the deal for Parvati last season. Her opening confessional was about who she had been and what she was going to do to win. Her edit followed that confessional thematically. Thematically, Kenny is accurately reflecting his opening statement: He's a gamer, he's shy, but has overcome that weakness, he's a great strategist. Matty has been consistent with his opening confessional as well. But his confessional isn't game focused. He's a personal trainer, who recognizes and appreciates that he is in Eden. This has been consisently backed up in his comments, the elephant scene and now at the cultural reward. But, he was silent at TC tonight, (if I remember right. Gotta watch again.), and that seems to leave out a perfect opportunity to bring him back to the game. Jury ties: Maybe most compelling is who has jury ties and it is hands down, Kenny at this point. I'm not that sold on the idea of needing jury story, but in this case it has been glaring. Will rewatch and make a choice, but for now it looks like Kenny first (even though he talks about winning a disturbing amount), Matty second, followed by probable F-3 Sugar and possible F-3 Crystal. P.S.: Oh and Bob gets the Yau Man Rocket Science Award after all!
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Hello everyone, this is my first post on Edgic. I have been voraciously reading Edgic for a couple of weeks now and finally feel prepared enough to participate. I'll start by quoting a comment I made on my personal blog last week after episode 8: "I had high hopes for Charlie. He looked great on paper and appeared to embody a second (albeit slightly sweeter) coming of Todd from China. However, Charlie's story has been edited to encompass nothing except his relationship (worship?) of Marcus with a dash of mild commentary thrown in here and there for good measure. Marcus is gone, and that would appear to close the book on Charlie's story as well." I feel like I can
pat myself on the back for that one. Here are my initial impressions of the contestants in episode 9: (Note: I have a lot more I want to say about all of these
contestants, but I realize that this post is already ludicrously long and will spare you all until a later date. Also, it's late and I'm rather
bleary-eyed, so please forgive any grammar/spelling/clarity mistakes.)
Corinne - CPM:
1. Scenes that show she is well versed in the strategic elements of Survivor (Ex: the scene where she brings Bob into the Onion Alliance). 2. Scenes that show she can be calm and rational to your face and a sarcastic bitch behind your back (Ex: attempting to pull Sugar into a new Onion Alliance). 3. Scenes that show her carrying her bitchiness to overdramatic/emotional extremes which threaten to derail her otherwise rational strategies (Ex: the "she's being a drama-queen music" played over the scene where she and Marcus read tree-mail in episode 7. Oh, and every comment she's made about Susie since episode 6). This is the first time I can remember the editors attempting to make us empathize or relate with Corinne as an actual human being. The fact that they are attempting even a half-hearted effort to make her more multi-dimensional leads me to be hopeful for her future. I gave Corinne a mixed tone because the scenes where she defended Marcus and played with children counterbalanced ones where, for example, she derided Sugar's naïve ignorance of strategy. I hope people can stay objective about Corinne and don't give her a negative tone rating simply because they personally loathe her. I think that Corinne will make the final 4 with Randy, Kenny, and Crystal (I agree with the intriguing theory that the four confessionals which followed the intro sequence in episode 1 represent the final 4), but she will come in 4th place. Interestingly, this would divide the final 4 between 2 "good" players and 2 "evil" ones, appropriate for this season's promised showdown between light and dark. Also, it seems a lot of people are buying into Corinne and Randy's more extreme comments ("I want to stab her in the face" and "I'm the king of Gabon…") when it appears obvious to me (and I have a rather black sense of humor myself) that these are little more than attempts to play up to the camera, meant as sarcastic jokes. What they are saying is funny because it is so much more embellished and over-the-top than their actual feelings on a given situation. Crystal - MORN:
Kenny - CPP:
Matty - MOR:
Randy -
OTTN:
One day, when someone creates a list of the Survivors with the sharpest tongues, Randy's will be the name you see right at the top - he's simply that awesome (my apologies to Courtney). When it became clear that Corinne was probably not going to win the game, I refocused my winner's target onto Randy. Similar to Crystal and Kenny, I feel the rationale behind my pick has already been beaten to death. I have to acknowledge though, that this theory took a severe, if not fatal, blow in episode 9. Previously, I had operated under the assumption that Fang was edited, not as underdogs, but, as Randy would say, idiots. I thought Randy, who has had a very strong edit (if a bit negative, much in the crotchety vein of Rudy, but far more strategic) would be the Fang apostate who joined Kota and, in his own words, eventually became their "king", leading them to triumph over his former comrades. Then came episode 9. This is the first time I remember the recap siding with Fang and I noticed that both Randy and Charlie were made to look like bad guys. This idea was carried straight through the episode and I am genuinely worried about Randy's future. If, however, he survives episode 10, I feel good about his chances to make the final 4, even if it is unlikely (though possible) for someone with multiple OTTN's to win the game. Sugar - MOR:
Susie - UTR:
Conclusion: 8. Susie 7. Bob 6. Sugar 5. Matty 4. Corinne 3. Crystal 2. Randy 1. Ken I'd love to hear everyone's opinions on my ideas.
"We can't get a women's alliance together because Caryn sucks." -Katie Gallagher, Palau
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