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Posts: 179 (10/31/08 4:59 PM) |
I didn't think Ace was N at all this episode! When Matty was being crazy and wanting to vote out Sugar, who was the voice of reason? Ace. When Crystal
was being crazy about the rice and again at tribal, Ace was again the voice of reason.
Ace was neutral this episode. |
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Posts: 5296 (10/31/08 5:03 PM) MESS member |
Wow the fact that Ace and Dan are gone means that weak people are going to be lasting longer than people like Matty.
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Posts: 13089 (10/31/08 5:21 PM) Registered User |
I'm a Randy fan, but I cannot believe anyone here who is also a fan thinks for one moment he's going to win. It's unfortunate when your enjoyment of someone as "Good TV" affects your edgic analysis. He is a big plus to this season from an entertainment perspective. He is not going to win, unless something involving lightning strikes, descending angels, and elephant stampedes occurs (or edgic is totally, completely wrong - in that case people should take their I Heart Randy comments to a different thread.)
Also, Crystal my have flipped Kelly the bird during her vote last week, but at least she didn't write something that had to be blurred while voting out her only real ally. Where is the outrage???!@!?!? When Matty was being crazy and wanting to vote out Sugar, who was the voice of reason? Ace. That wasn't Matty being crazy, that was Matty making a whole lot of sense. All these cute kids trick or treating get OTTPPP.
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Posts: 6795 (10/31/08 5:50 PM) Registered user |
For Randy to win, he would need to be in the finals and have all 3 Onions on the Jury. He'd then need to pick up a vote (possibly Matty or Susie?)
Logistically, it'd be difficult, but the outward negativity towards him has been limited to Crystal/Sugar thus far. |
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Posts: 8632 (10/31/08 6:07 PM) Registered User |
cindi, I like Sugar AND Randy in my story. And when I talk about this, I mean the splices of film used to make them into characters. Because for me, it's
making a good story. I don't know the real people -nor do I need to, it's about what being presented on the screen.
I feel the Ace/Crystal debate doesn't really matter. Was Ace really a bad, manipulative guy? Who knows? Most likely, no -he's just playing a game and I believe Sugar's vote was poor. But in the story, it wasn't about Crystal surviving, as it was about Sugar figuring out she was being used and wising up. (In reality, well duh -everyone's using everyone and they probably still had a good quid pro quo thing going on)- but the edit was really about manipulating the audience into rooting for Sugar. (maybe, I'm biased) I still don't get the overwhelming OTTP votes for Sugar in general. I mean, I get it because of her personality. But that's kind of dumb edgicing. If you go back and watch -especially starting with the third episode, it's all about foreshadowing with her in the story- admitting she doesn't know how to play this game -watching and listening- again, last night another version of not knowing how to play. Her exhile scenes could always be more fluff, but they're always reflective and not just about the current vote. Ken has talked twice about Sugar's persona -once dumb, now understands it's smart (a shield) - a lot of craft has gone into her edit. Precisely the type of things that could come back in her speech to a jury. She's had just as much manipulation as Richard Hatch, or even someone like Vecepia (Rob's comments on her during the swap). Yes, marcus is the frontrunner, but I would not be surprised to see Sugar in the final three/two (Ozzy was likeable in his edit also, as was Colby and the editing made it fine for us to like them but be satisfied with the winner) |
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Posts: 25413 (10/31/08 10:06 PM) Registered user |
TheLurkerSpeaks wrote: I disagree with you, TLS. Corinne was shown complexly because we saw the pieces of data with which she had to deal AND we learned about how she thinks as a result. First, she approached Susie about voting together, and a deal is struck. However, Susie also stupidly reveals that she had originally intended to vote for Corinne. Then we see Corinne expressing her anger at Susie in confessional. The fact that Corinne helps vote out Dan is far from irrelevant. The fact that we cannot help but know is one that the editors worked with in telling this part of Corinne's story. Look at the information Corinne had and also at how she felt about it. THEN notice what she does with her vote. Corinne does not need to be shown sitting and thinking for us to realize that that is what she did. If she had been a lone vote for Susie, THAT would have warranted the OTTN in my opinion. It's knowing the background of what transpired over the previous hours during negotiations plus how she voted that, taken together, makes Corinne's edit a complex presentation of information that would be hard to present any other way. We learn that she is able to rise above her petty negative feelings and make what she considered the best strategic move given the stage of the game. |
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Posts: 2039 (10/31/08 10:07 PM) |
cindidindi76 wrote:While it wasn't really shown on the show, yes, the Blooming Onions (Marcus, Charlie, Corinne, Bob, Randy) decided in the end to split their votes just in case Dan had the idol .. Dan received three of the Onions votes and Susie received two .. Worst case scenario if Dan and Susie voted together against someone (say Marcus) and Dan played the idol, there would've been a tie vote (2 for Marcus, 2 for Susie) .. Marcus' voting confessional on the show alluded to it, but if you watch the Insider video with the full voting confessionals, you'll get the scoop.. |
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colleenlover |
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Posts: 8633 (10/31/08 10:21 PM) Registered User |
I don't think the vote splitting was really part of the story- the three-to-four vote was only used for suspense in who would go. Marcus' vote for
Susie wasn't underlined to make us think he's split from the others but instead as a sound byte to show a vote for Susie and another's confessional
as a vote for Dan -really used in the story as a building of suspense in whether A or B would go.
I think we've seen it used before (the vote splitting to cover their asses with the idol) and it was shown in the strategizing on the show -becoming part of the story. But here I think it was just simplified, dumb down and simplified (like the Brandon vote in Africa) because it's not needed for the story. |
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Posts: 1368 (10/31/08 11:05 PM) |
AMAI,
If you have to connect the pieces together yourself, the edit as presented was not CP. We aren't told anything at all about her thought process that led to her accepting the divided vote plan. She and Randy are the force arguing for voting out Susie - there's no complexity there. |
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Posts: 1304 (11/01/08 2:00 AM) Registered User |
Ace's departure means that some unresolved storylines will now not have a resolution. As people have pointed out, his relationship with Sugar is the most
obvious; however, there are others, especially his story with Marcus. What, for example, happened to Marcus letting Ace think he's in charge and what was
the purpose of the highly manipulated look Marcus gave Ace at TC following Paloma's boot?
Other thoughts:
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Posts: 241 (11/01/08 4:39 AM) |
Hmm... this last post just made me think about something.
In the bible, Adam doesn't stay in eden, he's cast off from it in a chain of events that begins with the snake, on to Eve, and then to Adam. Is there a chance that this is what the editors thought when they put the line "there are no two Adams in eden"? Am I just complicating things to much? Or will the story stay true to the bible, and Adam (AKA Marcus) will be voted out by the Snake. Nah, he wins 
2nd watching ratings, coming right up! |
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Posts: 2133 (11/01/08 7:28 AM) Registered User |
I thought that was a great episode... maybe a turnaround for this season, because it wasn't that great so far.
The editors keep on killing every possibility except a Marcus win, while Marcus is still getting a boring edit... A real shame. Other then that - it was a great editing for a double-boot episode - almost everybody was OTT/CP. Kota Bob OTTP2 - Maybe WOTT (Way over the top). Charlie UTR2 - Worst edited character. Corinne OTTN4 - Yeah, she was calmer at TC, but the real impression we should have of Corinne is the one given through her confessionals. OTTN. Dan OTT3 - He wasn't negative, just awful. Marcus MOR4 - Strategy doesn't equal CP. Randy CPN3 - OTTN at the challenge (Again!) but then very CP pre-vote. I can see MORN too. Susie OTT2 - Same as Dan. Fang Ace MORN3 - Felt N, we were supposed to want him to g. Crystal OTTM4 - There was some N there, but we were meant to root for her to stay. Definitely OTT at TC. Kenny CPM3 - While he was on the good side, he made it clear that he did it for strategic reasons. I think M is better than P for him. Matty CPN4 - We got a lot of insight about he felt and the reasons for him frustration. Compare him to Dan or Corinne, and you see he's not OTT. Sugar CPP4 - Her poor RC performance was long forgotten by the end of the episode. Winner: Marcus Winner if Marcus got eaten by an elephant: Ken |
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Posts: 245 (11/01/08 9:24 AM) |
Hmm... when the episode started Probst said that Kota was the king of the jungle, when it ended, it stated that Randy is the king of Gabon... any chances?
no, Marcus wins lol
And to Israelidevil - do you write in any Israeli survivor forum?
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Warrior |
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Posts: 2709 (11/01/08 9:30 AM) Registered User |
Episode 7
KOTA
Bob - OTTP2 That's about as OTTP as one could get. Visibility - Medium 2
Charlie - UTR1 His character is on hold. He spoke 2 sentences during his confessional and his answer a TC was only 2 sentences. He spoke a total of 6 sentences during the entire episode…I don't think that that warrants giving him a 2 in visibility. Visibility - Strong 1.
Corrine - CPM4 I just don't see OTT. We saw her reaction to Stupid Susie telling her that she was planning to vote for her…I want to stab her in the face…I hate her, hate her, hate her. But she was all smiles in front of Susie. She didn't even flinch. At TC she once again handled Stupid Susie's attack with all smiles…and complements her! Her TC edit is the exact opposite of Crystals…maybe MORM… Visibility - Solid 4
Dan - MOR2 Well…I guess your home eating pizza. Visibility - Strong 2
Marcus - CPP4 His edit was 100% game…no BS in his edit. He was shown being compassionate towards Dan in the game and in a confessional. He gave our sweetheart immunity…and it accomplished what he wanted…smart move. Visibility - Weak 4 He had the most confessionals in the episode.
Randy - MOR3 Nothing exciting from Randy in this episode…but next week whoooo! Visibility - Weak 3
Stupid Susie - OTTN2 She has NO clue! Visibility - Strong 2 FONG
Ace - MOR3 Well…we thought that he would go before Sugar. Visibility - Weak 3
Crystal - OTTN4 You spilled yo rice! Visibility - Weak 4
Ken - CPP3 Ken is starting to play the game. Visibility - Strong 3
Matty - MORN4 Wa wa wa…that was his story. He's depressed. Visibility - Medium 4
Sugar - CPP4 She's going far into this game! Visibility - Weak 4
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Posts: 5695 (11/01/08 12:36 PM) Registered User |
Great post, Warrior. You used all my best screen caps! Man, now I gotta go digging through my files...
I agree about Sugar. They bend over backwards to make her betrayal of Ace look as innocent as possible, while making her look as strategically smart as possible. The Onion Three are shown to be very on top of their game, so I'm interested to see what Sugar's story means to that tight alliance. This could turn out to be a really really good season. |
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Posts: 2134 (11/01/08 12:36 PM) Registered User |
We probably shouldn't be having this discussion here, but I'm too lazy to send a PM. I write in the tapuz Reality TV forum from time to time.
Hmmmm, let's add an Edgic observation so this isn't a worthless post... hmmmmmmm.... I think Marcus wins. (I'm gonna send my ratings in the site now, for the first time this season.) |
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astroline |
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Posts: 1561 (11/01/08 1:15 PM) Registered user |
You guys are forgetting about Susie's scene during the reward. Her & Bob were the ones shown to really connect and be grateful for both the letters and
the experience. She's not N, she's at least M. I gave her an MORM2.
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YemaGrl1988 |
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Posts: 2599 (11/01/08 1:47 PM) Registered user |
I guess I'm the only one who thinks Ace is N.
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Posts: 6127 (11/01/08 2:55 PM) |
I went with a bland MOR3 for Ace because he wasn't really editted as as much of an Acehole as he normally is, and he was extremely un-complex. Bob is obvious, Charlie is obvious, Corinne got a CPN as opposed to an OTTN because we got into her head. Her incredibly bitchy head. Crystal was OTTM and the M comes from her positivity about giving up rice for the tribe after her mistake, and the way she was treated with kid gloves about it, despite the intense negativity she got. Dan was MORP because even though he sucked at the game, he was supposed to be this unpopular little kid who wanted to be popular. Ken was CP because we got into his head about his strategy. The same goes for Marcus and Sugar. None of them were overly positive in their portrayals though. Matty was OTTN because he was a jerk who was made a fool of. Randy was MORN because we got into his head, but he was more of a jerk. And Susie was OTTM because there really wasn't anything negative about her comments to Corinne, who blew them out of proportion, but still, she dug herself a hole. Marcus remains the unquestionable winner, but I make a habit of doing 4 potential winners until the swap, 3 until the merge, and 2 until the halfway point after the merge. Behind him are Randy, who's being given somewhat of a Richard Hatch edit, and Ken, who looks decent, save for the Fang negativity and the INV. 
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Posts: 182 (11/01/08 3:29 PM) |
Is Ken really out just because of his one INV? He's had mostly UTRs and MORs, with last episode a bonafide CP.
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