ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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Miles Edgeworth		#8661	[-]
Posts: 475 (10/19/08 1:22 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mister Yuck wrote: So somebody said Obama might appoint Powell to something. Why? Because of his stellar track record as secretary of state? Yea, I figured that Webb had secretary of the state in the bag.
lilnubber		#8662	[-]
Posts: 10316 (10/19/08 1:28 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
Joe the Gynecologist		#8663	[-]
Posts: 1 (10/19/08 1:29 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CBRetriever wrote: From the Washington Post here's Colin Powell: 'We're going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.' And now I guess the message this week is we're going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying less, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate." That's like saying "Candyman" 5x. Change the subject back to me.
AllMenAreIslands		#8664	[-]
Posts: 25072 (10/19/08 1:32 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CBRetriever wrote: From the Washington Post here's Colin Powell: POWELL, REDUX.... After his "Meet the Press" appearance, during which he endorsed Barack Obama, Colin Powell stopped to answer reporters' questions outside the studio. As it happens, his remarks were nearly as interesting after the program as they were during. Powell was asked about the relentless negativity of the McCain campaign, and Powell made no effort to hide his disappointment. Perhaps most importantly, Powell noted that the constant right-wing efforts to a) falsely label Obama as a Muslim; and b) make "Muslim" some kind of slur, not only undermines national unity, but also damages America's standing in the world. "Those types of images going out on Al Jazeera are killing us around the world," Powell said. He went on to express his disgust for Rep. Michele Bachmann's (R-Minn.) neo-McCarthyism. "We have got to stop this kind of nonsense," Powell said, "pull ourselves together, and remember that our great strength is in our unity and in our diversity." Tying it all together, Powell concluded, "We can't judge our people and hold our elections on that kind of basis. Yes, that kind of negativity troubled me. And the constant shifting of the argument, I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis the campaign said, 'We're going to go negative,' and they announced it. 'We're going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.' And now I guess the message this week is we're going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying less, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate." Just because Powell said it does not make it the right way to do business in those areas. Roads and airports and schools & hospitals are all goods, which should be privately owned the same way homes, and offices and manufacturing plants have been and in some areas still are. The way banks USED to be. And I disagree vehemently that taxes are needed for the common good. What a sham that idea is.
1000Proof		#8665	[-]
Posts: 8219 (10/19/08 1:40 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AMAI I see your point but I think you are either missing Powell's point or focusing on the one line that resonates withyou the most. I'm sure that if given a longer period of time (and not just a quick response to the media after his earlier interview) Powell could go more in depth into his tax assertion but on surface level what he's saying is not incorrect. Nobody likes taxes but do you think our country would flourish with no taxes or let's say "optional taxes"?
Pahrump Mania		#8666	[-]
Posts: 2114 (10/19/08 1:42 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CBRetriever wrote: From the Washington Post here's Colin Powell: POWELL, REDUX.... After his "Meet the Press" appearance, during which he endorsed Barack Obama, Colin Powell stopped to answer reporters' questions outside the studio. As it happens, his remarks were nearly as interesting after the program as they were during. Powell was asked about the relentless negativity of the McCain campaign, and Powell made no effort to hide his disappointment. Perhaps most importantly, Powell noted that the constant right-wing efforts to a) falsely label Obama as a Muslim; and b) make "Muslim" some kind of slur, not only undermines national unity, but also damages America's standing in the world. "Those types of images going out on Al Jazeera are killing us around the world," Powell said. He went on to express his disgust for Rep. Michele Bachmann's (R-Minn.) neo-McCarthyism. "We have got to stop this kind of nonsense," Powell said, "pull ourselves together, and remember that our great strength is in our unity and in our diversity." Tying it all together, Powell concluded, "We can't judge our people and hold our elections on that kind of basis. Yes, that kind of negativity troubled me. And the constant shifting of the argument, I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis the campaign said, 'We're going to go negative,' and they announced it. 'We're going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.' And now I guess the message this week is we're going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying less, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate." Obama is promising a tax cut to 95% of Americans even though a lower percentage even pay taxes in an effort to buy votes and advance his personal ambitions. With someone else's money. He he never been particuarly charitable with his own money, at least not until he realized that people would be looking. As a matter of fact it looks like he thinks that people who make $250K a year can't afford to give more than about 1% of their money to charity.
CBRetriever		#8667	[-]
Posts: 22089 (10/19/08 1:46 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	and I'd like to state, that because I quote something, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it. It's just that the bit I highlighted was interesting in view of McCain saying Obama was a socialist because he believes in redistributing the wealth
PatadyBag		#8668	[-]
Posts: 5587 (10/19/08 1:49 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
Miles Edgeworth		#8669	[-]
Posts: 476 (10/19/08 1:49 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How much Obama gives to charity has nothing to do with his tax plan soz.
thriving sobi		#8670	[-]
Posts: 559 (10/19/08 1:58 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wow - bad jke. I am going to hell for even smiling at it.
Veelicious		#8671	[-]
Posts: 1441 (10/19/08 2:02 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wow, McCain's rallies are not diverse at all.
CanIBreathe		#8672	[-]
Posts: 742 (10/19/08 2:05 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Obama launching his own robocalls: Barack Obama's campaign is trotting out its own "Joe the Plumber" to counteract efforts by John McCain to make inroads on the white working class vote. A reader in Colorado sends over word that the state Democratic Party and the Obama camp are blasting out robocalls from "Joe Martinez," a plumber in Colorado who vouches for the Illinois Democrat's tax plan. A spokesman for the Colorado Democratic Party confirmed the robocall and said he would try to track down audio. The rough script goes like this: "...During this week's debate, Barack Obama talked about cutting taxes for middle class families like mine, lowering health care costs for everyone and bringing the change we need in Washington. John McCain ignored the issues and used the debate to launch false attacks against Barack Obama. In fact, McCain - for the third debate in a row - didn't even say the words 'middle class'. So, take it from Joe the plumber, if you want a president who will put middle class families first - join me in voting for Barack Obama. Paid for by the Colorado Democratic Party...." The calls are noticeably positive in message compared to those currently being made by the RNC and McCain camp tying Obama to former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers. They also reflect the Obama campaign ethos, which dictates that they compete with their opposition on every political front: even if it means matching an opposition plumber with a plumber of your own. As always, if you receive any notable calls, mailers, etc., please let us know. UPDATE: A reader in Colorado sends over the audio, which you can listen to here. Here is the transcript: Hi, my name is Joe Martinez and I am a plumber for Denver, Colorado, calling for Barack Obama's campaign for change. During this week's debate, Barack Obama talked about cutting taxes for middle class families like mine, lowering the health care costs of everyone, and bringing the change we need in Washington. John McCain ignored the issues and used the debate to launch false attacks against Barack Obama. In fact, McCain for the third debate in the row didn't even say the words middle class. So take it from Joe the plumber. If you want a president who will put middle class families first, join me in voting for Barack Obama. I don't think this is necessary. shrug His is a positive message though, I just hope they checked Joe Martinez's background to make sure he actually has a license and up to par on paying his taxes.
AllMenAreIslands		#8673	[-]
Posts: 25073 (10/19/08 2:10 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	1000Proof wrote: AMAI I see your point but I think you are either missing Powell's point or focusing on the one line that resonates with you the most. I'm sure that if given a longer period of time (and not just a quick response to the media after his earlier interview) Powell could go more in depth into his tax assertion but on surface level what he's saying is not incorrect. Nobody likes taxes but do you think our country would flourish with no taxes or let's say "optional taxes"? Yes, 1000Proof, I do.
Veelicious		#8674	[-]
Posts: 1442 (10/19/08 2:11 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd be very surprised if he wasn't thoroughly vetted
Veelicious		#8675	[-]
Posts: 1443 (10/19/08 2:13 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is there a current/modern example of a country flourishing on a volunteer system tax system that we can compare to the US and it's system?
DeadTwista		#8676	[-]
Posts: 3964 (10/19/08 2:20 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Veelicious wrote: Wow, McCain's rallies are not diverse at all. WTF are you talking about? I see all different kinds of white people.
CanIBreathe		#8677	[-]
Posts: 743 (10/19/08 2:36 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Rush Limbaugh and co are heated: Colin Powell's decision to endorse Barack Obama has sparked a mini-debate of sorts over both the significance of the endorsement itself and the role that race has and will play during this campaign. In the immediate aftermath of his appearance on Meet The Press, several prominent GOP officials - ranging from the established to the extreme - defined the announcement more by skin color than ideology. The most crass interpretation came from talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, who wrote the Politico's Jonathan Martin the following: "Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race... OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with." Around the same time, esteemed conservative columnist George Will was also explaining Powell's decision as part of a larger, more psychological sway that Obama held over other African Americans. There will be "some impact," Will declared. "And I think this adds to my calculation -- this is very hard to measure -- but it seems to me if we had the tools to measure we'd find that Barack Obama gets two votes because he's black for every one he loses because he's black because so much of this country is so eager, a, to feel good about itself by doing this, but more than that to put paid to the whole Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson game of political rhetoric." There were, down the conservative line, other voices who gave credence to the race-over-politics theory. A prominent Republican attorney in Maine, Dan Billings, accused Powell of racism, stating: "If Obama was a white man, Powell would not have made the endorsement." Certainly, it is hard to dismiss this element when the discussion surrounds a man who seemed en route -- if he simply wanted -- to becoming the first African American president and the individual who is poised to fulfill that possibility. But the argument (for all its condescending simplicity) seems to be missing the larger point. For starters, Powell has, in the past, endorsed a "white man" who was described as inexperienced -- George W. Bush in 2000. Mainly, however, the endorsement tells us more about how Obama's candidacy will be perceived among white voters than it says about the Illinois Democrat's African American support structure. As the Atlantic's Marc Ambinder explains: "Powell is a culturally individuated African American hero; to the extent that there remain white voters who have inchoate worries about Obama's race, it helps to have him associated with a man whose race they've already gotten over. I do think this cohort of people is tiny." UPDATE: Notre Dame Professor Darren Davis, who specializes in the intersection of race and politics, writes in with his take on the Powell endorsement and the conservative reaction. "There is nothing racially obvious about Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama. I have read Colin Powell's comments and he did not at anytime allude to race being a factor in his endorsement. I think what we are seeing is a sense of racial stereotyping of two ostensibly racially transcendent political figures. There has always been a stereotype that all black people will stick together. It seems that this is somewhat in play here, given that they only factor connecting Colin Powell and Barack Obama is race." lol
Mister Slippery		#8678	[-]
Posts: 16149 (10/19/08 2:38 PM) Registered Abuser Administrator More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A first person account of John McCain unfiltered http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html MY HOLIDAY WITH JOHN McCAIN (This shocking account was written by Ana Dubey, who has a PhD in psychology and has a private practice in San Francisco. Ana's husband is currently a Managing Director of a private equity firm in the Bay Area. Ana and her husband are not political activists and don't have any personal ax to grind. In fact, in writing this account of her experience with John McCain, Ana is acting outside of her own economic self-interest as she and her husband are among the top 3-5% of our population who would benefit from the McCain tax/economic policies.) It was just before John McCain's last run at the presidential nomination in 2000 that my husband and I vacationed in Turtle Island in Fiji with John McCain, Cindy, and their children, including Bridget (their adopted Bangladeshi child). It was not our intention, but it was our misfortune to be in close quarters with John McCain for almost a week, since Turtle Island has a small number of bungalows and their focus on communal meals force all vacationers who are there at the same time to get to know each other intimately. He arrived at our first group meal and started reading quotes from a pile of William Faulkner books with a forest of Post-Its sticking out of them. As an English Literature major myself, my first thought was "if he likes this so much, why hasn't he memorized any of this yet?" I soon realized that McCain actually thought we had come on vacation to be a volunteer audience for his "readings" which then became a regular part of each meal. Out of politeness, none of the vacationers initially protested at this intrusion into their blissful holiday, but people's buttons definitely got pushed as the readings continued day after day. Unfortunately this was not his only contribution to our mealtime entertainment. He waxed on during one meal about how Indo-Chine women had the best figures and that our American corn-fed women just couldn't meet up to this standard. He also made it a point that all of us should stop Cindy from having dessert as her weight was too high and made a few comments to Amy, the 25 year old wife of the honeymooning couple from Nebraska that she should eat less as she needed to lose weight. McCain's appreciation of the beauty of Asian women was so great that David the American economist had to move his Thai wife to the other side of the table from McCain as McCain kept aggressively flirting with and touching her. Needless to say I was irritated at his large ego and his rude behavior towards his wife and other women, but decided he must have some redeeming qualities as he had adopted a handicapped child from Bangladesh. I asked him about this one day, and his response was shocking: "Oh, that was Cindy's idea - I didn't have anything to do with it. She just went and adopted this thing without even asking me. You can't imagine how people stare when I wheel this ugly, black thing around in a shopping cart in Arizona. No, it wasn't my idea at all." I actively avoided McCain after that, but unfortunately one day he engaged me in a political discussion which soon got us on the topic of the active US bombing of Iraq at that time. I was shocked when he said, "If I was in charge, I would nuke Iraq to teach them a lesson." Given McCain's personal experience with the horrors of war, I had expected a more balanced point of view. I commented on the tragic consequences of the nuclear attacks on Japan during WWII - but no, he was not to be dissuaded. He went on to say that if it was up to him he would have dropped many more nuclear bombs on Japan. I rapidly extricated myself from this conversation as I could tell that his experience being tortured as a POW didn't seem to have mellowed out his perspective, but rather had made him more aggressive and vengeful towards the world. My final encounter with McCain was on the morning that he was leaving Turtle Island. Amy and I were happily eating pancakes when McCain arrived and told Amy that she shouldn't be having pancakes because she needed to lose weight. Amy burst into @+* at this abusive comment. I felt fiercely protective of Amy and immediately turned to McCain and told him to leave her alone. He became very angry and abusive towards me, and said, "Don't you know who I am." I looked him in the face and said, "Yes, you are the biggest asshole I have ever met" and headed back to my cabin. I am happy to say that later that day when I arrived at lunch I was given a standing ovation by all the guests for having stood up to McCain's bullying. Although I have shared my McCain story informally with friends, this is the first time I am making this public. I almost did so in 2000, when McCain first announced his bid for the Republican nomination, but it soon became apparent that George Bush was the shoo-in candidate and so I did not act then. However, now that there is a very real possibility that McCain could be elected as our next president, I feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this story. I can't imagine a more scary outcome for America than that this abusive, aggressive man should lead our nation. I have observed him in intimate surroundings as he really is, not how the media portrays him to be. If his attitudes toward women and his treatment of his own family are even a small indicator of his real personality, then I shudder to think what will happen to America were he to be elected as our President.
Pahrump Mania		#8679	[-]
Posts: 2115 (10/19/08 2:39 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The most crass interpretation came from talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, who wrote the Politico's Jonathan Martin the following: "Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race... OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with." Rush is right.
ZombieLinda		#8680	[-]
Posts: 5271 (10/19/08 2:43 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't see the big deal about the Powell endorsement. He's never been that political, which is part of the reason why he's generally well-liked and respected. Maybe I'm just not OMGSHOCKED because he's been praising Obama for months. The only thing I get out of it is this hilarity - Republicans probably won't use the "I'm not racist. I'd vote for Colin Powell!" line anymore.

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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!