ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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CBRetriever		#8221	[-]
Posts: 22015 (10/18/08 12:08 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	and this just in: Pakistan said Saturday that China will help it build two more nuclear power plants, offsetting Pakistani frustration over a recent nuclear deal between archrival India and the United States. The agreement with China was among 12 accords signed during Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari's recent visit to Beijing, said Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi. While Qureshi gave few details, the accord deepens Pakistan's long-standing ties with China at a time when its relations with Washington are strained over the war against terrorism. Our good friends the Pakistanis are cozying up to the Chinese now. Does this portend a new nuclear race between India and Pakistan?
StarrEise		#8222	[-]
Posts: 6972 (10/18/08 12:15 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just had an epiphany that I'll share with all of you. I was about to post something about how if Obama wasn't a black man, this race wouldn't even be close because McCain is a trainwreck and his running mate a national joke (and potential national nightmare); that Obama would be miles ahead of McCain if not for his skin color and that there must be inherent racism keeping him down. (I still believe partially in the latter - sorry, I just do.) But then I stopped to think about it. If the Dems had picked a white candidate with Obama's experience, spouting Obama's policy message, the situation would be drastically reversed and McCain would be miles ahead in the polls. There is no way the Dems would have picked a white candidate with Obama's credentials over Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. So: Why Obama? He is charismatic, he inspires hope, sure. But would he be so charismatic or inspirational if he were just some young white guy with only a few years' experience in the Senate? I think not. I think if he were white, he wouldn't be the Democratic candidate and we'd be seeing a very different race (pun intended). Will it change my vote? No, I'll still vote for Obama because I don't like McCain and Palin. But I think Obama is the Democratic candidate and the forerunner in this race primarily BECAUSE of skin color. I think there's a lot of white guilt out there (I have my fair share) and a lot of people who think it's time to see a black man in the White House because the old white guys have fucked us all. Does that make him the better candidate? I don't know. But if Obama is where he is because of his skin color, I'm not sure that helps resolve the issue of race in this country or validates it. Only time will tell. You may all tell me to go fuck myself now.
merkyl		#8223	[-]
Posts: 58892 (10/18/08 12:17 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	(accurate) Talk like that is what got Ferraro shit canned.
blockhose		#8224	[-]
Posts: 2584 (10/18/08 12:18 PM) Treadmill martyr More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hi merkyl! Hey - Do ya think you can answer the questions I asked of you? Thanks.
1000Proof		#8225	[-]
Posts: 8192 (10/18/08 12:19 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	StarrEise wrote: I just had an epiphany that I'll share with all of you. I was about to post something about how if Obama wasn't a black man, this race wouldn't even be close because McCain is a trainwreck and his running mate a national joke (and potential national nightmare); that Obama would be miles ahead of McCain if not for his skin color and that there must be inherent racism keeping him down. (I still believe partially in the latter - sorry, I just do.) But then I stopped to think about it. If the Dems had picked a white candidate with Obama's experience, spouting Obama's policy message, the situation would be drastically reversed and McCain would be miles ahead in the polls. There is no way the Dems would have picked a white candidate with Obama's credentials over Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. So: Why Obama? He is charismatic, he inspires hope, sure. But would he be so charismatic or inspirational if he were just some young white guy with only a few years' experience in the Senate? I think not. I think if he were white, he wouldn't be the Democratic candidate and we'd be seeing a very different race (pun intended). Will it change my vote? No, I'll still vote for Obama because I don't like McCain and Palin. But I think Obama is the Democratic candidate and the forerunner in this race primarily BECAUSE of skin color. I think there's a lot of white guilt out there (I have my fair share) and a lot of people who think it's time to see a black man in the White House because the old white guys have fucked us all. Does that make him the better candidate? I don't know. But if Obama is where he is because of his skin color, I'm not sure that helps resolve the issue of race in this country or validates it. Only time will tell. You may all tell me to go fuck myself now. (I'm joking with you of course)
Goosehead		#8226	[-]
Posts: 1188 (10/18/08 12:29 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's an interesting thought Starr.
blockhose		#8227	[-]
Posts: 2585 (10/18/08 12:35 PM) Treadmill martyr More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hmmm... merkly isn't responding. Should I be surprised? I guess I'll just have to wonder if merkyl listens to Rush Limbaugh everyday, believing every word fed to him as if it's biblical truth. And I guess I'll just have to wonder if he considers all mockery of right-wing nonsense "liberal" by definition. But it would be so much more clear if he'd just grow a pair and answer me like a normal human being. So here I sit, patiently waiting.... BTW, Starr - That is an interesting observation.
Hezbolowme		#8228	[-]
Posts: 382 (10/18/08 12:37 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	the race pimps have won
omzig		#8229	[-]
Posts: 5238 (10/18/08 12:39 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I particularly enjoy when Rush talks about Pumpkin (his cat ). Starr - very well thought out argument.
merkyl		#8230	[-]
Posts: 58893 (10/18/08 12:41 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe I'm waiting for hose to examine his own posts and tell me why everyone would think he's a liberal. I mean throwing out "LIMBAUGH" at every chance wouldn't do it, surely. Or are you being extra clever and mocking yourself for being a typical lefty douchebag? Go ahead, we'll wait.
CBRetriever		#8231	[-]
Posts: 22016 (10/18/08 12:42 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Starr - good piece and Palin wouldn't have been the VP candidate unless she was a woman either
Hezbolowme		#8232	[-]
Posts: 383 (10/18/08 12:44 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	MLK must be rolling over like a pinwheel, "content of their character".....say what?
Strange Flute		#8233	[-]
Posts: 3777 (10/18/08 12:45 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think McCain once had some independent or maverick integrity until he lost to Bush and then became his biggest supporter. The problem with politicians who pander too much (McCain, Hillary) is that they're only in it for themselves and have no principles. How can McCain pander to Israel supporters, then pick a VP who has a Jews for Jesus preacher? And his blaming Wall St. for being greedy sounds a lot like blaming jews for the economy. McCain can't win. People want a leader, not a Panderer in Chief.
merkyl		#8234	[-]
Posts: 58894 (10/18/08 12:46 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	MLK was a dirty Republican.
Veelicious		#8235	[-]
Posts: 1395 (10/18/08 1:07 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Up until? I think that he and Strom switched sides around the same time.
merkyl		#8236	[-]
Posts: 58897 (10/18/08 1:08 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Earl Ray
blockhose		#8237	[-]
Posts: 2586 (10/18/08 1:16 PM) Treadmill martyr More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	merkyl wrote: Maybe I'm waiting for hose to examine his own posts and tell me why everyone would think he's a liberal. I mean throwing out "LIMBAUGH" at every chance wouldn't do it, surely. Or are you being extra clever and mocking yourself for being a typical lefty douchebag? Go ahead, we'll wait. Heh! Ah, merkyl. I've been answering your questions. You haven't been answering mine. So far you're the pussy, big fella. I hope you can extricate yourself from your self-righteousness for a little bit to realize that. As for your latest question: I can undestand that people would consider me left-leaning, since I'm clearly not voting Republican this year. But I don't throw out Rush's name at every chance - not by a long shot. If someone is arguing sincerely for conservatism, I'll engage them fairly. Hell, I'll likely agree with them on many points - I didn't vote conservative in the past for shits and giggles. I've never had a problem with debating fairly with anyone - as long as the same courtesy is given to me. If someone is just throwing out the obvious cartoonish generalities, I'll mock them. That's honestly where I'm coming from. The funny thing is - I never really see you engage me when I'm being rational and debating fairly... the only time you pop up is when I mock. Do you think those statements aren't blatant overgeneralizations? You don't think they're meant only to paint people unfairly into little corners without considering the fact that most of the issues we argue about on these boards have a shit load of grey area? Really? Honestly - I don't care if you listen to Rush, or read Ann, or have Fox News on 24/7. Just be prepared with something other than the blatantly childish talking points they are famed for producing. Or be prepared to be laughed at for being a dumbass. And now, by all means - be a good guy and answer my questions. Tell me where you're coming from. Thanks.
merkyl		#8238	[-]
Posts: 58899 (10/18/08 1:18 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	well aren't we a wordy fuck. And answering your questions would imply that I actually care about your opinion.
Beefcake		#8239	[-]
Posts: 1552 (10/18/08 1:19 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The bottom line at this point is that Obama is leading because the economy is tanking. I think many people are voting Dem simply because they need someone to blame for the economic downturn, and that has to be the party in office. Personally, I don't find Obama charismatic or inspiring; I find him very off-putting. In the same way some of you don't like Palin, I don't like Obama because he comes across to me as a clueless snob who's never really done anything. I certainly haven't heard him say anything new or interesting. If Hilary were running, I'd probably vote Dem. I also have a fear that Obama will win with 50% -49% and then claim that he has a 'mandate' to change America. I suspect that when Obama is president, the country will really be run by Congress. I don't think people like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have much respect for the young affirmative action baby.
B DeBrun		#8240	[-]
Posts: 18312 (10/18/08 1:20 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	omzig wrote: Why couldn't the rep party come up with somebody better than McCain? Pitiful. Probably for the same reason Dems came up with Gore, Kerry and Obama. At least Obama was selected.

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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!