Survivor Gabon Boot Spoilers (and speculation) all say Bob loses from day 1

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PleasantMama		#861	[-]
Posts: 2273 (10/10/08 12:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So does Matty's unseen swearing on his girlfriend to Ace indicate that he abandoned old tribal lines immediately upon the switch for whatever clearly-has-no-grip-on-Survivor-gameplay reason and in what sense could that ever be conveyed as honest? Stupid, reckless, unthinking, pathetically poor gameplay okay, but honest?
mtj1282		#862	[-]
Posts: 1606 (10/10/08 12:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PleasantMama wrote: So does Matty's unseen swearing on his girlfriend to Ace indicate that he abandoned old tribal lines immediately upon the switch for whatever clearly-has-no-grip-on-Survivor-gameplay reason and in what sense could that ever be conveyed as honest? Stupid, reckless, unthinking, pathetically poor gameplay okay, but honest? We dont know just how close matty was with crystal/ken/gc. At the begining of the episode, when matty/dan/susie/randy were confirming their alliance matty said he cant deal with crystal, in addition to that he knows he is on the outs with those three, so him becoming third in an alliance (ace/sugar/matty) and becoming the alliance in control instead of settling for fourth isnt poor gameplay!
PleasantMama		#863	[-]
Posts: 2274 (10/10/08 12:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It is when you've got an extremely small time frame in which to actually speak to the new people and adjust to the new dynamic and especially when you've got someone there spilling everything she knows about the dynamics of her ex-tribe. It's not like the three other Fang members ever excluded him -that was him doing that, they were perfectly willing to work side by side with him. In what world would he have not been the 4th wheel in the other group as well? Seems more like a case of "I don't like these people so let's not even consider them as a strategic option" which is always poor gameplay.
Joaqenix		#864	[-]
Posts: 2484 (10/10/08 1:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	RNO: We heard what Kelly thought of you - what do you think of Kelly? Jacquie: On the show, I didn't think much of her. She was really rude to everybody. Again, everything we told her went right over her head. She was pretty clueless about the game. She didn't even want to be out there. She didn't help in the challenges or in camp. If we would have had one more day at Fang, her true colors would have shown more and they never would have kept her. She would have kept digging a hole. Also, I felt she was definitely projecting when she was talking about me behind my back. She is an absolute idiot. Um...yikes. Doesn't sound like Jacquie and Kelly bonded in loser lodge. Don't they normally hold back on bashing people they later met up with and hashed stuff out? Of course, maybe Kelly got booted and they still just didn't get along, but to me, that indicates that Kelly makes jury.
mtj1282		#865	[-]
Posts: 1608 (10/10/08 1:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PleasantMama wrote: It is when you've got an extremely small time frame in which to actually speak to the new people and adjust to the new dynamic and especially when you've got someone there spilling everything she knows about the dynamics of her ex-tribe. It's not like the three other Fang members ever excluded him -that was him doing that, they were perfectly willing to work side by side with him. In what world would he have not been the 4th wheel in the other group as well? Seems more like a case of "I don't like these people so let's not even consider them as a strategic option" which is always poor gameplay. They didnt exclude him, they were willing to work side by side with him? what show are you watching? Not only did dan and matty speak at the begining of the episode about how the three excluded them, later on after the tribe switch the three spoke to kelly and said it would be them four, no mention of matty! He wouldnt have been four in the other group since there only would have been three of them ( i was talking after the boot).
crzypunk2004		#866	[-]
Posts: 3696 (10/10/08 1:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jacque also was shocked to hear Crystal was an olympic athlete so I think Crystal makes Jury and maybe Kelly.
mtj1282		#867	[-]
Posts: 1609 (10/10/08 1:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	jackie said she would have brought marcus or sugar to final two. She had a secret alliance with ace and sugar and new about the idol. eta:buddytv
Cassidy666		#868	[-]
Posts: 8878 (10/10/08 1:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Matty was clearly on the outs with Ken, Crystal and CG and was edited postively in comparison to them. Oviously he would try to save Jacque in those circumstances. It might be a setup for when Sugar comes to their tribe with the idol? Thanks for bolding the interesting parts of Jeff's blog, Joaqenix. The rest of it speaks more towards how Jeff thinks the game should be played and not how it really is. Really sucks for Jacque...
nordicsurvivor		#869	[-]
Posts: 316 (10/10/08 1:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ETA: So this can probably be ignored Last Edited By: nordicsurvivor 10/10/08 2:39 PM. Edited 1 times.
Krossedge		#870	[-]
Posts: 81 (10/10/08 1:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	nordicsurvivor wrote: Does anybody know where the losers where sent this year? Not South Africa by any chance? I've heard from a friend of a friend about some "American TV-stars" that were on a visit in his father's hotel in July, but currently I haven't found anything that could confirm they were Survivor players, expect the possibly correct timing. If somebody knows whether losers were in South Africa or not, I'd know if this thing is worth speculating or not. Pre-jury were sent to Sao Tome, an island outside of Gabon. I think.... I could be wrong but there are some comments that would imply this.
SPunKeeMonKee		#871	[-]
Posts: 10963 (10/10/08 2:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jacquie doesn't seem to like Kelly at all in her post-show interviews.. which is funny, considering that they seem to have bonded at LL (judging by the MySpace speculation).
James Barber		#872	[-]
Posts: 14259 (10/10/08 2:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Best move: Kenny choosing Kelly. Kenny is playing to WIN. He's taking chances. Kelly seemed like a ridiculous choice and Kenny played it as such saying he chose her because "she's hot." Lie. He chose her because he sensed a lost puppy in need of a home and he believed he could use her vote to further his own game. Video gamers all over the world must be loving skinny little Kenny with the creepy long fingernails. Another one to watch out for down the stretch. Jeff must have a very low opinion of people who play video games, if he thinks they're all panting over some clod who makes a common sense move and then guffaws like he's the most brilliant player around. For all Jeff's hype, I didn't think Ken got a very good edit, I thought it was an emphasis on Ken getting a cheap thrill out of using Kelly, not on Ken making a game move. Matty is vulnerable. He plays this game too honestly to have much of a shot at winning. What does that even mean? Isn't Matty lying to everyone about his background? Didn't he try to get Dan voted out in episode 2 and then team up with Dan later on (I doubt he ever told Dan he tried to get him voted out)? If Matt doesn't win it's because he's a bad player, not because he's the epitome of honesty and integrity. Plenty of people have played Survivor in an honest way, and yet Jeff doesn't break out the violins for them. I think it will be susie in place of dan since they gave her boot related airtime last night. Why waste the airtime if shes not going anytime soon! I do think it was strange they set up Randy v Susie, and gave her the sympathetic edit, if Dan is the one who is leaving next. If Dan's the next one out I would think he would have had at least a confessional about his role on NuKota. As for Jacquie having a low opinion of Kelly, I can see that continuing even if they were both in LL. I don't think Crystal will be in LL, but even if she was, she probably kept quiet about her Olympic past. After those dreadful challenge performances, she wouldn't exactly want to say she'd pulled a fast one.
mtj1282		#873	[-]
Posts: 1610 (10/10/08 2:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: Best move: Kenny choosing Kelly. Kenny is playing to WIN. He's taking chances. Kelly seemed like a ridiculous choice and Kenny played it as such saying he chose her because "she's hot." Lie. He chose her because he sensed a lost puppy in need of a home and he believed he could use her vote to further his own game. Video gamers all over the world must be loving skinny little Kenny with the creepy long fingernails. Another one to watch out for down the stretch. Jeff must have a very low opinion of people who play video games, if he thinks they're all panting over some clod who makes a common sense move and then guffaws like he's the most brilliant player around. For all Jeff's hype, I didn't think Ken got a very good edit, I thought it was an emphasis on Ken getting a cheap thrill out of using Kelly, not on Ken making a game move. Matty is vulnerable. He plays this game too honestly to have much of a shot at winning. What does that even mean? Isn't Matty lying to everyone about his background? Didn't he try to get Dan voted out in episode 2 and then team up with Dan later on (I doubt he ever told Dan he tried to get him voted out)? If Matt doesn't win it's because he's a bad player, not because he's the epitome of honesty and integrity. Plenty of people have played Survivor in an honest way, and yet Jeff doesn't break out the violins for them. Crystal spoke about getting rid of dan to matty but he said he thinks it should be gillian. Crystal still pushed for dan and then matty said "if thats what you guys decided then ill do it." If matty didnt defend dan and was like "yup,definiltey, we have to get rid of dan" it would be different, but thats not what happened! ALso, on a different subjefct, earlier today there were tons of new episode 4 insider videos at the cbs website, but now i cant find them, anyone know what happened to them? there were some really good ones filled with gc bashing! ETA: nevermind, there up again,under latest videos. Last Edited By: mtj1282 10/10/08 2:41 PM. Edited 1 times.
Kirblar		#874	[-]
Posts: 6638 (10/10/08 3:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: I'm afraid that's Probst's dumbest blog entry yet. " Jacquie was simply a victim of bad luck. She had all her eggs in one basket"?! Gee, do you reckon she maybe played a really poor game by not having any options? Crystal wasn't strong in the boat challenge? Gee, do you reckon that's because she is a sprinter and not a college rower/lacrosee player? "Why is it the attractive blonde women on our show are often the least interesting in reality?" !! Dunno, maybe that sort of question would be better addressed to a producer... maybe someone involved in casting interviews... seems like there's some guy named Probst you could talk to... Fang is not a great tribe, individually or collectively, but Probst is just being silly. I think Probst is saying that you need to build relationships with everyone on your tribe, because you may need to rely on them later. Had Kota not ostracized Kelly, then they might have been able to keep her onboard, grab Matty, and take control of the tribe.
James Barber		#875	[-]
Posts: 14261 (10/10/08 3:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thanks to the editing, we saw so little of Jacquie's game, we have no idea how she treated Kelly. We know Paloma and Kelly were relatively isolated, but they seemed to do a lot of that to themselves. Jacquie was never that close to Sugar or Ace and while she may not have emphasized that enough to save herself, I think Kelly was just looking for any chance to lash out at her old team. Jeff can comment after the fact because no matter how much he pushes himself on the players, he's not actually in the game. He gets to have it both ways. Manipulate them and then moan about them with the pretense of being some all-seeing, all-knowing sage. And since he has become such a big face of Survivor, and the editing is more likely to support his bias, people will never get to see another perspective. I just wish he'd take a break for a few seasons.
hagiz1		#876	[-]
Posts: 255 (10/10/08 3:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	James Barber wrote: Thanks to the editing, we saw so little of Jacquie's game, we have no idea how she treated Kelly. We know Paloma and Kelly were relatively isolated, but they seemed to do a lot of that to themselves. Jacquie was never that close to Sugar or Ace and while she may not have emphasized that enough to save herself, I think Kelly was just looking for any chance to lash out at her old team. Jeff can comment after the fact because no matter how much he pushes himself on the players, he's not actually in the game. He gets to have it both ways. Manipulate them and then moan about them with the pretense of being some all-seeing, all-knowing sage. And since he has become such a big face of Survivor, and the editing is more likely to support his bias, people will never get to see another perspective. I just wish he'd take a break for a few seasons. If you see the insider videos, Jacquie actually made an alliance with Ace and presumably Sugar too the day of the switch
James Barber		#877	[-]
Posts: 14262 (10/10/08 4:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But for most of her time in the game, she wasn't all that close to them. I don't think a quick alliance made Kelly's mind up for her, I think she was probably going to go along with Fang no matter what, just to get back at her old team any way she could.
Raydawggie		#878	[-]
Posts: 675 (10/10/08 4:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Has it been considered that maybe Kota just doesn't lose? If, as rumored, Kelly, GC, Ken, and Dan are all pre-jury, maybe Kelly leaves due to the idol next week, then Matty flips and GC and Ken go, leaving us with 11. Early merge, and then Dan just gets the Brandon/Jeff/Nick merge boot for bland likable alpha males.
Kirblar		#879	[-]
Posts: 6639 (10/10/08 4:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan appears to be the only pre-merge boot we have set in stone due to his myspace pictures. He could be picked off at a late Kota TC, or be a victim of an early merge. Both are plausible. I see 2 possible scenarios for the next sequence of TCs. We have Sfever's vulnerabilities, which indicate Kelly, GC, and Ken are in danger. (Along with Dan) We also have Jeff's "Good Vs Evil" scenario, which seems to have started to emerge this episode with the boot of Jackie over Kelly. The problem for me comes from the fact that Matty/Ace/Sugar surviving Fang would be a "good guys win" scenario, when we already seem to have Kota as our "Love Tribe." It's also possible Good v Evil emerges as a theme later, at the merge. But these are the two scenarios I can potentially see playing out in the next week or two. First scenario- Sugar's HII is used at the next Fang TC (Possibly due to Matty ratting the target out), sending home GC, Ken or Kelly. Matty joins with Ace/Sugar and threatens to force a tie, causing Crystal to flip on her alliance and vote out the remaining 2 members in subsequent tribal councils. Second scenario (aka pure spec based on the "Evil" thing.)- Fang goes to TC. The Gang of 4 tells Matty who they're voting out. Matty alerts Ace/Sugar. The Gang of 4 then vote out Matty as Ace or Sugar use the HII, in one of the most ruthless moves in Survivor history. Ken started watching with Cook Islands, so he probably saw the Edgardo blindside. Could be something else entirely, as always.
The Very Insane Shark		#880	[-]
Posts: 3916 (10/10/08 4:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	We have Sfever's vulnerabilities, which indicate Kelly, GC, and Ken are in danger. SF said that Jacquie was safe last episode. I don't think they know too much more than we do.

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