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Posts: 80 (10/03/08 10:59 PM) |
CSCin3D wrote: Lex, Terry, Ozzy, and James should all be on this list but aren't because they're unattractive guys who people dislike. This is nothing more than a popularity contest |
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Posts: 5732 (10/03/08 10:59 PM) |
Because Terry was nothing but a challenge whore, had the idol and failed to use it to his advantage (Peih-Gee, meanwhile, wound up opposing the guy who got two
idols), had several times when he could've used the idol to further his game (giving it to Sally at 8, giving up immunity at 6), but instead, he held onto
it and put himself in a bad position at the final 3. Also, prior to the merge, he completely alienated Sally based solely on her gender, thus ensuring that
she would flip if the other tribe would've taken her, and at the merge, he didn't even bother trying to swing Danielle or Courtney, and instead focused
solely on the men and Cirie.
ETA: Terry also was fucking retarded in that he thought he needed a goat to take to the end, and thus kept around Danielle over Cirie at the final 4, when he could've easily beaten Cirie in any sort of final 3 challenge.
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Posts: 1373 (10/04/08 8:36 AM) |
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor wrote:God I hate you guys. Just so much right now. |
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Posts: 3730 (10/04/08 10:09 AM) Registered User |
KP: Terry would have been a retard to give up the immunity idol to Sally at F8. He leaves at F4 instead of F3 if he does that. And he was completely
blindsided at F6, so its not like he knew that he should give immunity to Courtney. He's a retard, no questions asked, but I think its even more retarded
to think that he would have done better had he ever given up his immunity idol.
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Posts: 14106 (10/04/08 10:21 AM) Registered User |
KP: Terry would have been a retard to give up the immunity idol to Sally at F8. He leaves at F4 instead of F3 if he does that.No he wouldn't. If Aras got idoled, Terry would WIN the F4 challenge. But without hinsight, using the idol to boot aras is F8 is a risky 50/50 chances move. Neither option was "dumb." Terry couldn't crack Casaya because of Cirie's brilliant gameplay and her slaughter the goats strategy, and because he got info from Shane about Casaya and that dumbass actually believed Danielle was 5th in the alliance. I respect Janelle's ASS game more than most people, Steph for winning Survivor Ulong, Natalie in S16, and PG for make F5 from a sucky tribe and almost winning another iC there. Usually the last or second last player standing from a tribe is pretty sharp. Besides, it's not the fault of Teresa, Terry, Parvati S13, and PG that they were in the minority tribe. And Amanda S15 isn't better than them just because she was blessed with strong guys on her tribe.
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Posts: 5735 (10/04/08 10:39 AM) |
Quiddity wrote: First, I'm saying that if he idols Aras out at 8, then Aras is gone. First off, Terry has no competition anymore, and as an added bonus (he couldn't have guessed this, though), Bruce was medevaced, leaving the final 6 as Terry/Sally & Shane/Courtney/Danielle/Cirie. That's much better down by two odds than 6 to 4. He'd need to swing someone, but hell, Courtney was willing to work with him, as was Shane. With no Aras, Cirie has a much harder time keeping a grip on the reins. Terry would've been in a very good position if he'd just given Sally the idol at 8, and he could've had a chance at winning the game (especially if he went to the end with Courtney and Shane, who hated one another). Second, at 6, I'm not saying he gives Courtney the idol. I'm saying he throws the immunity challenge once Aras was out, allowing Courtney to win. Aras was always second place in the immunity challenges, and that was the first time someone other than Terry/Aras had a chance to win. Once again, Aras would be idolled out of the game and Terry would have a much easier time playing. But Terry had no gameplay at all and horrible social game. Without his idol, he would've been eliminated at the final 4 because he had nothing else besides winning challenges. |
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Posts: 9415 (10/04/08 10:45 AM) Registered user |
If he gave up the idol, he would be forcing himself to win every immunity challenge from then on (at least from his POV). All the Casayans had snubbed him
before, so why should he have believed they would allign with him after he lost the only thing that gave him any power at all? Hey, at least he did better
than PG.
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Posts: 3733 (10/04/08 10:46 AM) Registered User |
Yeah, that probably would have been the case
 In any event, when you have to win every single immunity or you're going home, its absolutely retarded to
give up the lifeline that will keep you there one more TC if you are to ever lose an immunity challenge. Its one thing if using the idol would get him the
majority, but to use it to bring a 6-2 majority to a 5-2 majority is retarded to the 10th degree, and luckily for him, the douchebag made the smart move and
held on to it. And sorry KP, but you can't use what happened in the future (Bruce's departure) as a reason for why Terry should had done something
earlier in the game before that happened. He would only have bought his side one additional TC and his lifeline would be gone, leaving him completely
unprotected if he ever lost an IC.
Of course its partly Terry's fault they were in the minority, his tribe had the chance to win immunity challenges, they didn't. La Mina clearly was the stronger physical tribe, so its not like the China situation where one tribe was obviously more powerful than the other before a single challenge happened. Teresa definately got screwed over with the initial tribe makeup. But I will never have the same respect for her that many have due to the total fuckup that occured from her tribe at F8. If Teresa is as great a player as so many say, one would think that she could convince KP to vote for Tom for at least one TC to give themselves the numerical advantage. Parvati's definately at fault for being in the minority in CI. Her tribe was the stronger tribe initially and made certain voting decisions and challenge lineup decisions (f.e. Rebecca) that caused them to lose a lot more than Aitu did. And she was one of the four absolute shit for brains who had as clear a logic as there could ever be in Survivor regarding who had the idol. Candice didn't have it. Adam didn't have it. Jonathan didn't have it. There was only one possible person in the game who could have had it. And she along with those other 3 retards went ahead and voted for that person anyway. She did play quite a good game in S16 though and deserves a high ranking on this list for that.
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Posts: 5738 (10/04/08 11:02 AM) |
CSCin3D wrote: Oh, so we're just ignoring all the gameplay she had and the fact that she was in a good position before the swap, used the swap to her advantage, and did the best she could with a field of idiots that were playing for 2nd through 6th? Social game, yeah, I'll give you that, but hell, her strategic game was the second best in China, and it's amazing for someone who wasn't a huge fan like Todd was, she actually played smarter than him on several different occasions. |
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Posts: 9416 (10/04/08 11:30 AM) Registered user |
What the hell are you talking about? First of all, stop making it seem like it would take a genius to know that losing the challenge on purpose was a good
idea. ANYBODY would do that. Second of all, if she was really using the swap to her advantage, she should have thrown the second IC too. Yes I know it
wouldn't have worked out, but she had no idea James had the idol and that's not the reason she didn't throw that challenge. Yeah she was in a good
position pre-swap, but so were countless others in Survivor history. What's the point? And plus your logic doesn't quite make sense. So the other
players are idiots if they help Todd win, but good players if they help PG win?
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Posts: 5741 (10/04/08 11:43 AM) |
CSCin3D wrote: Hmm, if I recall, TODD, the eventual winner of the season, DIDN'T think of throwing the first challenge and only came up with his failed challenge-throwing idea AFTER Aaron, his close ally, was booted. Second, she didn't throw the second IC because Sherea gave no indication as to whether or not she'd stick with them at the merge, as a result, Peih-Gee assumed that the tribe was screwed anyway. Granted, it was still a bad move, but hell, that move wound up being the reason Peih-Gee got fifth. She throws the challenge, Jaime goes home, and Peih-Gee is the first boot at the merge. THIRD, there's a difference between someone like Denise OPENLY accepting fourth place after many hints, and Denise working with Peih-Gee and Erik to get to the final 3 (or hell, even screwing Todd over so she's guaranteed final 3 no matter what happens) and then havign a chance to not only present her case, but also to say she actually did something worth winning for. |
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Posts: 3717 (10/04/08 11:47 AM) |
For the record, Amanda wanted them to throw the same immunity challenge that Zhan Hu threw, but Fei Long didn't believe in throwing challenges. So Amanda
sat out of that challenge knowing she didn't want to win that one and didn't want to have a hand in Fei Long's victory.
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Posts: 2531 (10/04/08 12:05 PM) Registered user |
kenc333 wrote:Where'd you hear that? If that's true, then I'd love her even more. |
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Posts: 3718 (10/04/08 12:22 PM) |
Hmm I can't find the exact article where she mentioned it, but I did stumble across this along the way... when you think about it, in the end, immunity
does get more important and without Amanda's immunity wins, Todd and Parvati probably wouldn't have won their seasons. I may keep searching for that
interview, but if anyone else can find it, that'd be nice =)
Reality TV World: Did you agree with Todd's comment at the final Tribal Council that he "did the dirty work for the nice girl" in reference to you? Amanda: No, I definitely don't agree with that at all. I did a lot of dirty work myself, like voting James out... Part of [Todd's] strategy was to come-off as the strategist, like no one else was a part of the strategy at all. It was more the other way around. I had more control of this game than Todd had. I think he wanted to make it seem like I had no strategy at all.
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Posts: 6100 (10/04/08 12:38 PM) Registered User |
40. Natalie Bolton, Survivor: Micronesia (Score: 229.9)
Tribal Immunity Winning Percentage: 75% Individual Immunity Wins: 0 Voting Score: 75% (6 of 8 Elimination Votes) Hall Of Fame: Ineligible (Eligible After The Completion Of Season 21) 39. Scout Cloud Lee, Survivor: Vanuatu (Score: 238) 
Tribal Immunity Winning Percentage: 50% Individual Immunity Wins: 0 Voting Score: 91% (10 of 11 Elimination Votes) Hall Of Fame: Not Inducted, Removed Due To Low Support In First Year Of Eligibilty 38. Danielle DiLorenzo, Survivor: Panama - Exile Island (Score: 239.3) 
Tribal Immunity Winning Percentage: 66% Individual Immunity Wins: 1 Voting Score: 100% (9 of 9 Elimination Votes) Hall Of Fame: Ineligible (Eligible After The Completion Of Season 17) 37. Parvati Shallow, Survivor: Cook Islands (Score: 242.4) 
Tribal Immunity Winning Percentage: 50% Individual Immunity Wins: 0 Voting Score: 70% (7 of 10 Elimination Votes) Hall Of Fame: Ineligible (Eligible After The Completion Of Season 18) 36. Stephenie LaGrossa, Survivor: Palau (Score: 264.9) 
Tribal Immunity Winning Percentage: 0% Individual Immunity Wins: 0 Voting Score: 66% (6 of 9 Elimination Votes) Hall Of Fame: Inducted Remaining: Borneo - 2 (Richard/Kelly) Australian Outback - 2 (Tina/Colby) Africa - 2 (Ethan/Teresa) Marquesas - 2 (Vecepia/Kathy) Thailand - 1 (Brian) Amazon - 2 (Jenna/Rob) Pearl Islands - 2 (Sandra/Fairplay) All Stars - 2 (Amber/Rob) Vanuatu - 4 (Chris/Twila/Julie/Ami) Palau - 1 (Tom) Guatemala - 3 (Danni/Stephenie/Rafe) Panama - 2 (Aras/Cirie) Cook Islands - 2 (Yul/Candice) Fiji - 3 (Earl/Cassandra/Yau-Man) China - 3 (Todd/Amanda/Peih Gee) Micronesia - 2 (Parvati/Cirie) Females: 20 (19 different people since Cirie is listed twice) Males: 15 Winners: 16 Runner-Ups: 6 Lowest Place Remaining: 8th Place (Candice) S01-S08: 15 S09-S16: 20
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Posts: 9418 (10/04/08 12:41 PM) Registered user |
Yay for Natalie being last. Boo for PG still being there.
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Posts: 1953 (10/04/08 1:06 PM) |
Why does everyone think that Julie is so great? Just because she helped manage to get the guys to boot John K of all people does not make her a good player at
least compared to some others. Yeah, she managed to work her way into a final 4 as the fourth member for one round (which she wasn't in originally) that
immediately fell apart.
Same goes for Steph in Guatemala, how the fuck is she higher than Clay, Matt, Rodger, Jake, Helen, Heidi, Natalie, Lex, and Scout? She was played like a fiddle by Rafe who controlled the entire game until he got played by Danni. Steph was the bitch of someone else's bitch. Also, Parv (CI) and Danielle have no buisness of being anywhere close to this list. Parv's only on it because of her great gameplay in Micronesia which was the exact opposite of her flirt strategy in CI. Danielle played Terry, I'll give her that, but when comparing her to people who didn't, like people who were actually in charge of their alliance instead of being the third wheel, you can't say she's a top 40 player. As far as PG goes, she played a pretty good game being where she was, but here are 9 players who I think played better than her who are below her or arn't on the list Clay, Matt, Rodger, Jake, Helen, Heidi, Natalie, Lex, and Scout. |
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Posts: 9710 (10/04/08 1:12 PM) Registered User |
I also remember Amanda saying in an interview that she wanted to throw the 5th IC, but FL didn't want to, so she just sat out.
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Posts: 1378 (10/04/08 1:27 PM) |
Thank fucking God Natalie was last...
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Quiddity |
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Posts: 3738 (10/04/08 1:33 PM) Registered User |
Thailandsurvivor wrote:Because she's hot, it seems. I like Julie, but a great player? What a joke. X on Stephenie. Screw top 40, she's probably among the top 10 worst players ever for her performance in Guatemala. So much was rigged and titled in her favor yet she still fucked it up big time. |
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