ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?

0 Kudo

Started By	Comment
Vicconius		#2521	[-]
Posts: 12919 (09/06/08 1:54 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CBRetriever wrote: Wasn't Carter considered to have plenty of experience? In growing peanuts.
hatebrigade		#2522	[-]
Posts: 2590 (09/06/08 1:56 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Most young people I know are pretty invested in this election, and I'm not even American. I'd also like to think our views are more flexible because we haven't lived long enough to become such a staunch single party supporter. If I were voting for Canada's sake, I'd vote McCain, but Obama is what's good for Americans.
candi7of9		#2523	[-]
Posts: 874 (09/06/08 2:00 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire, I'm glad you listened to McCain's speech and at least give it credit for being earnest. That may be the only good thing you can say about it, but it says a lot because I finally watched Obama's speech and that was one thing that was very much lacking until he go to the MLK bit, and then it was only appealing to some people, even though it purported to appeal to all people. My first impression after listening to Obama's speech was that his speechwriter is far inferior to the ones McCain has to work with when you consider his and Palin's. It's like comparing filet mignon to a hot dog. Palin: And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely. There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you. McCain: My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God. Obama: So I've got news for you, John McCain. We all put our country first. A 47 year old lawyer/community organizer has no business saying that to a 72 year old crippled veteran. It's a stupid thing to say and anybody over the age of ten should be able to recognize it as an outright lie.
CBRetriever		#2524	[-]
Posts: 20875 (09/06/08 2:02 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	heh to Vic he was governor of a larger population than Palin, served in the Georgia senate for two terms and worked for the DNC, chairing at least one committee. And he had a way more distinguished college education as well.
Beefcake		#2525	[-]
Posts: 1376 (09/06/08 2:05 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's a good point, candi. Very few people put their country first; very few are able to put anything ahead of themselves. I think that's something you realize as you mature. People like Obama really have no idea what that means -- it's just words to them. That may be why younger people are attracted to Obama, as well. They hear the words and for them that's enough. More mature people hear a politician's words and look for proof that he means what he says.
GrenadeJumper85		#2526	[-]
Posts: 5824 (09/06/08 2:07 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ You are stupid @ Candi. Just because McCain went to fight in a fucking war doesn't mean him or this Palin bitch think they have the right to say who does and doesn't love their country or who does or doesn't put their country first. For three years of his life Obama went down and worked for the people of the slums/ghettos on the south side of Chicago. These were people that were going through hard times because of jobs that were taken away in that area. They were homeless, broke, and all they had was each other. Obama went down their and WORKED FOR THESE PEOPLE to help reestablish their lives, their jobs and livelihoods. Obama has done more in Washington for the veterans then McCain ever has. Oh, and has Ms. Palin helped disadvantages families that were affected by joblessness? I don't think so. She was too busy trying to ban books from a library and thinking of wasting millions of dollars are a bridge in Alaska. Get the fuck over yourself.
Strange Flute		#2527	[-]
Posts: 3221 (09/06/08 2:11 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Obama speech wasn't meant to be a big hopey-change speech but a details speech. People wanted to hear the details of his plans, and that's what he delivered. The McCain speech was boring and narciscistic. For a guy who says Country First, he sure likes to talk about himself.
CBRetriever		#2528	[-]
Posts: 20876 (09/06/08 2:14 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Re John McCain and fight from US Senator Barbara Boxer: Last night at the Republican National Convention, John McCain used the word "fight" more than 40 times in his speech. In the 16 years that we have served together in the Senate, I have seen John McCain fight. I have seen him fight against raising the federal minimum wage 14 times. I have seen him fight against making sure that women earn equal pay for equal work. I have seen him fight against a women's right to choose so consistently that he received a zero percent vote rating from pro-choice organizations. I have seen him fight against helping families gain access to birth control. I have seen him fight against Social Security, even going so far as to call its current funding system "an absolute disgrace." And I saw him fight against the new GI Bill of Rights until it became politically untenable for him to do so. John McCain voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time in 2007 and 100 percent of the time in 2008 -- that's no maverick. We do have two real fighters for change in this election -- their names are Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I'm not saying I agree with the above, but it is interesting Wasn't McCain absent during the vote for the bill on GI Rights and Obama made it a point to be there? Not sure what that has a bearing on, but I remember being kinda surprised to hear that he didn't go back to DC for a critical vote like that.
thriving sobi		#2529	[-]
Posts: 388 (09/06/08 2:15 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was a live then. Carter was considered to be very inexperienced. but Ford was unpopular for several reasons - The Nixon Pardon, concerns about his drinking, Crazy ass inflation and a few other issues. Carter - while a very nice person - was a a failure as a president (but not anywhere near as half assed as Bush Jr.) I fear that Palin would be a combo of Bush Jr and Carter. I also feel that she has a great chance of being president as I have a concern about mcCains health. I really wish McCain had been the candidate 8 years ago.
Gregoire		#2530	[-]
Posts: 29136 (09/06/08 2:16 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's interesting because "putting people first" is precisely what a community organizer does. You all keep jumping over decades of McCain's life to keep continued harping about his military years. You can only win this election by focusing on ancient history.In those many many years since, McCain struggled to fight -- and then became the standard-bearer of -- the very forces that have weakened our government today. Dumping on a "community organizer"will backfire on you in a major way, as those very communities are those who are being affected by the weakened government. Again, may I ask why you all avoid McCain's years as senator? Why you all seem to ignore the fact that he is a republican that has adhered closely to everything Bush has done in the past eight years? All I keep hear is nostalgia everytime somebody writes his name. Candi - are you even familiar with any of his career after 1972?
Vicconius		#2531	[-]
Posts: 12920 (09/06/08 2:18 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Obama At Bon Jovi Event: 'We Won't Be Bullied' "We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about," Obama said. "I don't believe in coming in second." No, he believes he is the second coming. Good to see that he can stand up to bullying from a PTA mom. Putin should be worried... ...ABOUT PALIN! ZING!
CBRetriever		#2532	[-]
Posts: 20877 (09/06/08 2:18 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gregoire, please change you all to some of you see my post above
sadllama		#2533	[-]
Posts: 2590 (09/06/08 2:20 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can Vicconius actually make a post in this thread that isn't a republican talking point?
Strange Flute		#2534	[-]
Posts: 3222 (09/06/08 2:21 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Republicans need a real hero, like Ronald Reagan or Chuck Heston.
superguppie		#2535	[-]
Posts: 24059 (09/06/08 2:22 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A 47 year old lawyer/community organizer has no business saying that to a 72 year old crippled veteran. It's a stupid thing to say and anybody over the age of ten should be able to recognize it as an outright lie. I see. So the only way you can love your country and put your country first is to be a war veteran. Poor Candi must hate her country. Or was she a POW, too? To love your country, do you have to build missiles or can you be a cancer researcher? Do you have to enlist in the Armed Services or can you represent the US in the Peace Corps? Do you have to carry a gun and wear a uniform or can you go into struggling neighborhoods and help fight a war againt poverty? Do you have to serve as a senator for a few decades or can you "just" be a teacher who makes a difference in kids' everyday lives?
candi7of9		#2536	[-]
Posts: 875 (09/06/08 2:23 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: For three years of his life Obama went down and worked for the people of the slums/ghettos on the south side of Chicago. These were people that were going through hard times because of jobs that were taken away in that area. They were homeless, broke, and all they had was each other. Obama went down their and WORKED FOR THESE PEOPLE to help reestablish their lives, their jobs and livelihoods. What a touching testimony to Obama's dedication to the people of the slums and ghettos of the south side of Chicago--if only he were running for mayor it might matter. If you cannot see the difference between working for some people in the slums and seeing combat in Vietnam I probably shouldn't waste any more time trying to explain it for you.
Beefcake		#2537	[-]
Posts: 1378 (09/06/08 2:24 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think that's right. Most people don't have any idea what a 'community organizer' is. And I really doubt that if a bunch of typical Americans were sitting around talking about a hypothetical 'perfect' presidential candidate, I doubt anyone would say, "Boy, wouldn't it be great if we could get a community organizer in the White House!" Obama gives the impression of a guy who decided he wanted to be a 'politician' because he's good-looking and speaks well. He doesn't seem to be driven by any real passion. "Community Organizer" sounds like a job someone would take because he wants to run for political office. Those guys are pretty harmless when you run across them running for Student Council, but not for POTUS.
GrenadeJumper85		#2538	[-]
Posts: 5825 (09/06/08 2:24 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Republicans only think you love your country and when you enlist in a meaningless war and go over and fight fight fight fight!!! SHTAND UP SHTAND UP STHAND UP!!!
Vicconius		#2539	[-]
Posts: 12921 (09/06/08 2:26 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	sadllama wrote: Can Vicconius actually make a post in this thread that isn't a republican talking point? I'd like to see where that is a talking point. Did they include the ZING! part? And as far as most points in this thread by the rabid lefties, they might as well be DU or KOS checklists. Check yourself before complaining about others, laddie.
Gregoire		#2540	[-]
Posts: 29137 (09/06/08 2:26 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If you cannot see the difference between working for some people in the slums and seeing combat in Vietnam I probably shouldn't waste any more time trying to explain it for you. Again, are we voting for John McCain as King of the Army, or for president of the United States? And FYI, I'm assuming with your opinion that serving in Vietnam somehow bestows upon an individual presidential experience that you most likely voted for John Kerry and Al Gore in the last two election. I doubt anyone would say, "Boy, wouldn't it be great if we could get a community organizer in the White House!" Yes, but that's only one feature of his resume that the Republicans have latched onto like a moray eel because it sounds 'foreign' and 'urban'. Coming from the condescending lips of Sarah Palin, she made it seem like he was a carnival sideshow. Again, expect this to boomerang bigtime in the upcoming weeks. Last Edited By: Gregoire 09/06/08 2:32 PM. Edited 2 times.

<< Previous Topic Next Topic >>

Yuku free message boards

ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?