ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?

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Gregoire		#2521	[-]
Posts: 29138 (09/06/08 2:36 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Which, most of America does. (Sorry just 75% of America.)
StarrEise		#2522	[-]
Posts: 6627 (09/06/08 2:37 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Y'know, at least Phoofe can listen to rational thought and is willing to concede a point or two, or at least admit that they're interesting and that she'd never considered that position before even if, ulitmately, she doesn't agree with it. You've got to give her mad props for that. But this candi-girl...don't waste your time on her. This is the same braintrust that said that women have it much tougher than blacks or any other group that faces discrimination and that Obama is "like a guy who abuses his wife but keeps saying he can change and never does." There's no arguing with that - just none. She's clearly got enough baggage to require her own personal skycap.
merkyl		#2523	[-]
Posts: 57770 (09/06/08 2:38 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: Which, most of America does. (Sorry just 75% of America.) Well awesome, then show me that poll that shows 75% of America disagrees with all of Bush's policies.
GrenadeJumper85		#2524	[-]
Posts: 5827 (09/06/08 2:38 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Beefcake wrote: GrenadeJumper85 wrote: What a touching testimony to Obama's dedication to the people of the slums and ghettos of the south side of Chicago--if only he were running for mayor it might matter. If you cannot see the difference between working for some people in the slums and seeing combat in Vietnam I probably shouldn't waste any more time trying to explain it for you. You just don't fucking GET IT! Those people he gave up his time to help are the same people at this time that are still coming up on hard times! They are the real middle class American citizens that are struggling to live day to day. Most of those people don't care what the hell John McCain did in his past, they want to know what he's going to do now! Unfortunately, he's agreed with 95% of Bush's policies, the same policies that have slapped the faces of millions of those disadvantaged people! All he has to run on his is POW history and that's not helping anyone. Sure. And all of those people should vote for Obama, because he is promising to take money from the people in this country who actually produce things and hand it out to the people who don't. But why should people who DO work and DO add to the economy vote for someone who has sworn to take things away from them? Translation: I'm a elitist, rich, snob and I don't want to lose any of my moneys!!!!! The same corporations, who are producing all this work, are still sending jobs overseas. They are making buckets of money, and they don't give a flying fuck about opening up jobs here in America. Why would they when they can make millions each year by paying a little Indian person 5 cents an hour. And because they are sending jobs overseas the middle class are still getting fucked over.
superguppie		#2525	[-]
Posts: 24060 (09/06/08 2:48 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is anyone at OT a POW? I need to know who loves their country. Everyone else hates America, apparently. So sad.
PoChop		#2526	[-]
Posts: 1803 (09/06/08 2:49 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well at least Honda and Toyota are exporting their jobs to America.
Ann Margret Thatcher		#2527	[-]
Posts: 6199 (09/06/08 2:50 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My dad was a POW for two and a half years. He shook his head when I asked him about McCain's speech and said that no one should use their POW experience to brag or make excuses or to try to make people think they deserve certain things because of what they did in the war. The way he explained it to me was that people shouldn't be lauded for just doing the right thing. You just do it and go on. He also said that he didn't think being in a war and being a POW automatically makes someone more fit to be president. My dad's always been my hero because of these things. He never asked nor expected anything for what he did. I however, reserve the right to brag on him. :)
merkyl		#2528	[-]
Posts: 57771 (09/06/08 2:50 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If only we had the kind of economic system where the government controlled all the industry and could make these kinds of decisions. I bet that would totally work.
Beefcake		#2529	[-]
Posts: 1381 (09/06/08 2:53 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Beefcake wrote: GrenadeJumper85 wrote: What a touching testimony to Obama's dedication to the people of the slums and ghettos of the south side of Chicago--if only he were running for mayor it might matter. If you cannot see the difference between working for some people in the slums and seeing combat in Vietnam I probably shouldn't waste any more time trying to explain it for you. You just don't fucking GET IT! Those people he gave up his time to help are the same people at this time that are still coming up on hard times! They are the real middle class American citizens that are struggling to live day to day. Most of those people don't care what the hell John McCain did in his past, they want to know what he's going to do now! Unfortunately, he's agreed with 95% of Bush's policies, the same policies that have slapped the faces of millions of those disadvantaged people! All he has to run on his is POW history and that's not helping anyone. Sure. And all of those people should vote for Obama, because he is promising to take money from the people in this country who actually produce things and hand it out to the people who don't. But why should people who DO work and DO add to the economy vote for someone who has sworn to take things away from them? Translation: I'm a elitist, rich, snob and I don't want to lose any of my moneys!!!!! The same corporations, who are producing all this work, are still sending jobs overseas. They are making buckets of money, and they don't give a flying fuck about opening up jobs here in America. Why would they when they can make millions each year by paying a little Indian person 5 cents an hour. And because they are sending jobs overseas the middle class are still getting fucked over. Correct translation: I grew up poor and made a lot of sacrifices to get an education and build a career, and I don't see why I should throw my money away on people who don't want to work. OMG! This is the first time in history any company has tried to reduce labor costs! It's not fair! We live in a society that pays for scarcity -- that's not a secret. If you don't give yourself some job skills, you can't whine when other people who are equally skilled are willing to work for less money.
PoChop		#2530	[-]
Posts: 1805 (09/06/08 2:58 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Like there aren't enough programs paid for by taxes to assist people yet in our society.
thriving sobi		#2531	[-]
Posts: 389 (09/06/08 2:59 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just wish the GOP would stop insinuating that if your are against them, you are anti-american. And what the fuck is up with the country music having to be played at the convention? I hate cuntry music, but I love making money - I just don't get the connection.
AllMenAreIslands		#2532	[-]
Posts: 24150 (09/06/08 2:59 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hezbolowme wrote: axel the bulldog....Local, state, excise, gasoline, sales, social security, medicare, federal, if you wish to pay more as an individual there is a box to check on your tax return, be my guest. Also, if you wish to trade your standard of living to that of old school socialist countries, reverse migration is always an option, tool. Thanks! Don't forget the hidden taxes on corporations like payroll taxes, manufacturing taxes and who knows what else - all of which are passed on to the consumers.
Vicconius		#2533	[-]
Posts: 12923 (09/06/08 2:59 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	superguppie wrote: Is anyone at OT a POW? I need to know who loves their country. Everyone else hates America, apparently. So sad. Well... I was kept in detention several times... more like the Breakfast Club.
candi7of9		#2534	[-]
Posts: 876 (09/06/08 3:02 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Again, are we voting for John McCain as King of the Army, or for president of the United States? And FYI, I'm assuming with your opinion that serving in Vietnam somehow bestows upon an individual presidential experience that you most likely voted for John Kerry and Al Gore in the last two election. I do not have some set of criteria that I refer to when deciding how to cast my votes, as every election has different candidates. In this election, I have two chioces. One is a 47 year old man who I had never heard of before he delivered a catchy speech at the DNC and Oprah had him on her show. I like Obama, and I like Biden, but I do not like Obama as a presidential candidate and I do not think he is remotely ready to run our country. In fact, I'm starting to think he's missed his calling entirely. My other choice is a man who has spent his entire life as a public servant, first in the military, then in politics. He has 25 more years of experience than Obama, and unlike so many people who seem to think that a person's value decreases as they grow older, I recognize that with age comes knowledge and wisdom. McCain has a much larger pool of experience to draw from. Obama's pool of experience is more like a narrow creek. Not all of us have the same amount of knowledge, no matter how many internet sites you look at or shows you watch or magazines you read. Looking at McCain's career, I beleive it's fair to say he has more knowledge about international affairs and military activity than somebody who has worked exclusively with the "slums of south-side Chicago." This is not rocket science. But you can put aside all the POW talk and personality talk and still be able to make a clear and easy choice between the two. Obama thinks it's the government's job to make our lives better. McCain thinks that it's the people's job to make our country better. No wonder so many people prefer Obama. And rS, this liberal act doesn't suit you at all. You seem smarter than this. Obama has nothing to offer you. Y'know, at least Phoofe can listen to rational thought and is willing to concede a point or two, or at least admit that they're interesting and that she'd never considered that position before even if, ulitmately, she doesn't agree with it. You've got to give her mad props for that. Guess I'll have to wait for you to share a rational thought or make a point that is interesting before I get your mad props. I'll try to pick up the pieces and move on.
Vicconius		#2535	[-]
Posts: 12924 (09/06/08 3:06 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Candi just made the most succinct and logical defense of McCain ever posted here. No hyperbole. No talking points. Just truth.
Ann Margret Thatcher		#2536	[-]
Posts: 6200 (09/06/08 3:08 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My other choice is a man who has spent his entire life as a public servant, first in the military, then in politics. He has 25 more years of experience than Obama, and unlike so many people who seem to think that a person's value decreases as they grow older, I recognize that with age comes knowledge and wisdom. McCain has a much larger pool of experience to draw from. Obama's pool of experience is more like a narrow creek. Not all of us have the same amount of knowledge, no matter how many internet sites you look at or shows you watch or magazines you read. Looking at McCain's career, I beleive it's fair to say he has more knowledge about international affairs and military activity than somebody who has worked exclusively with the "slums of south-side Chicago." This is not rocket science. He's also a man who bears no resemblance to the truly maverick figure he was until about 8-10 years ago. He sold out. Badly. Experience without integrity doesn't mean much to me.
PoChop		#2537	[-]
Posts: 1808 (09/06/08 3:08 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just want the free health care so I can quit my job and suck off the public teat. Life will be grand after that.
AllMenAreIslands		#2538	[-]
Posts: 24151 (09/06/08 3:10 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Axle the Bulldog wrote: Omfg. Get a fucking brain, you fucking idiot. Taxes provide for your libraries, your police, your firefighters, if you were smart enough, your health care, the fucking roads you drive on the way to work to bring home a paycheck to pay for all those nice things you want, etc, etc, etc..... And yes, taxes do pay to help the unfortunate somewhat. The ratio is no where near what you think when compared to all the city/provincial/federal services you are getting for your taxes. Really, get a grip. You listen, idiot. Tax represents the use of force by the government against the citizens. The haggling that takes place every 4 years is to work out who will control the trough. What difference if the expropriation pays for war, or for medical care or "fighting climate change" ? Net result: the country is more in debt than before. Your pea-brain must be incapable of conceiving of a world in which people aren't forced to pay for anything but actually willingly pay for roads, schools, medical care and libraries, as well as for PROPER government services.
thriving sobi		#2539	[-]
Posts: 390 (09/06/08 3:13 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	would love to know how many of you ar in the top 5% if income with me.
Vicconius		#2540	[-]
Posts: 12925 (09/06/08 3:15 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I thought you were a teacher! Damn teacher's unions.

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ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?