ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?

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StatelyWayneManor		#2481	[-]
Posts: 8146 (09/06/08 1:18 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	...and I still say its called SODA! Whoops. Wrong thread.
cg41386		#2482	[-]
Posts: 14028 (09/06/08 1:19 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	wrsrules wrote: they are politically uneducated and get their info from places like Saturday Night Live and MTV or who their favorite singer or actor supports, absolutally no confusion at all about this! I would say people under 35 though not under 40. It's pretty ironic how you're calling young people "politically uneducated" when you're rather politically uneducated yourself.
GrenadeJumper85		#2483	[-]
Posts: 5823 (09/06/08 1:26 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is great: <3 <3 John Stewart and Steve Colbert <3 <3
CBRetriever		#2484	[-]
Posts: 20873 (09/06/08 1:26 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd think the younger set would be more politically knowledgeable given all the information available out on the web. And back in the Vietnam War era, I was pretty aware of what was going on in the world through reading anything I could get my hands on. And most of my friends were the same. We could have been an aberration, being that we were college students out to get a good education.
Beefcake		#2485	[-]
Posts: 1371 (09/06/08 1:27 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ann Margret Thatcher wrote: Cracks me up how some automatically equate diplomacy with appeasement. T Roosevelt was a kick ass president who knew a lot about war, but he knew as much or more about diplomacy. It's not a weakness. And TR won the Nobel Peace Prize.
sadllama		#2486	[-]
Posts: 2587 (09/06/08 1:29 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cg41386 wrote: wrsrules wrote: they are politically uneducated and get their info from places like Saturday Night Live and MTV or who their favorite singer or actor supports, absolutally no confusion at all about this! I would say people under 35 though not under 40. It's pretty ironic how you're calling young people "politically uneducated" when you're rather politically uneducated yourself. Judging by the amount of grammatical errors and mispellings in her posts I'd say she's just plain uneducated.
Gregoire		#2487	[-]
Posts: 29133 (09/06/08 1:29 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	All Obama has to do for the next few weeks is simply show that Daily Show video, and he'll sweep into office.
Beefcake		#2488	[-]
Posts: 1372 (09/06/08 1:32 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Zzunk wrote: StarrEise wrote: That IS one of the major issues of this election, the fact that John McCain supports 90 percent of Bush's policies which were failures. That's not slinging mud, that's stating a fact. The Dems have been trying to talk issues for some time now, but now the Repubs are closing ranks, not permitting their own candidates to do interviews, etc. How can you support a party that is running on solely a candidate's personal history but hasn't offered any ideas on how to resolve problems facing the country? Slinging mud is normal business in politics. All I'm saying, dearest StarrE, is the "90 percent same voting as Bush" statement is OLD NEWS. I would hope the Democrats could show more intelligence that just repeating the same thing. Obama has a large platform, so use it. Ditto for the Republicans. As for the how can I support a candidate based solely on their personal history: I don't, but I am having a hard time with the Democrat's choice of a candidate that is less experienced than Herbert Hoover, who bombed as a President. I'm of the opinion that G.W. Bush has been a dismal President, and he had more experience than Barack Obama does. So why should I believe that a great orator like Obama is worth taking the risk on? He has only proven that he can get elected and raise millions for his campaign chest. He constantly dodges answering the experience question. I'd love to him explain why his credentials are equal or better than any other President-elect in the last 100 years. It would be pretty hard to find anyone running for president who had more experience than Herbert Hoover. He had more executive experience than probably any president in history. and when it comes to pure brain power, "the Boy Genius" was right up there with Thomas Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt among geniuses in the presidency.
Gregoire		#2489	[-]
Posts: 29135 (09/06/08 1:41 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not clear why everybody keeps thinking that 'experience' alone makes a great president? History is filled with very experienced men who are lousy presidents, and vice versa. You don't judge a leader by one solitary quality. Technically, nobody but a vice president has true presidential experience. And yet many vice presidents have made horrible presidents. A president needs judgement, intelligence, ideology, force of direction, charisma, determination, aggression and patience, policy strength, knowledge, patriotism and conviction. Experience only gives you an idea of what a person's abilities are in those qualities, it is not necessarily a quality in itself. By the way, how on earth can John McCain commandeer a message of 'change' when he's a Republican who firmly part of the Washington establishment? Why wasn't his biography and 'maverick' ways enough eight years ago? Last Edited By: Gregoire 09/06/08 1:46 PM. Edited 1 times.
thriving sobi		#2490	[-]
Posts: 387 (09/06/08 1:41 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have to admit, as an independant who is unhappy with McCains choice of Palin, I was still leaning towards McCain. However, that was one fucking scary video clip from the Daily Show.
CBRetriever		#2491	[-]
Posts: 20874 (09/06/08 1:45 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wasn't Carter considered to have plenty of experience?
Beefcake		#2492	[-]
Posts: 1374 (09/06/08 1:49 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: I'm not clear why everybody keeps thinking that 'experience' alone makes a great president? History is filled with very experienced men who are lousy presidents, and vice versa. You don't judge a leader by one solitary quality. Technically, nobody but a vice president has true presidential experience. And yet many vice presidents have made horrible presidents. A president needs judgement, intelligence, ideology, force of direction, charisma, determination, aggression and patience, policy strength, knowledge, patriotism and conviction. Experience only gives you an idea of what a person's abilities are in those qualities, it is not necessarily a quality in itself. Experience gives voters an idea of how a person will respond to crisis. It also can show how a person's values and personality have evolved over time. Obama is not very experienced compared to most other candidates for president, but you're right in the sense that that is not necessarily important. I think that Obama's biggest weakness is that he has never been tested; we have no evidence by which to judge how he might react on a crisis. I know I'm in the minority, but I thought McCain acceptance speech was excellent, because he told the story of how he's evolved over the last 40 years from an arrogant little shit to a person who has a track-record of placing the best-interests of the country ahead of his own.
Vicconius		#2493	[-]
Posts: 12919 (09/06/08 1:54 PM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CBRetriever wrote: Wasn't Carter considered to have plenty of experience? In growing peanuts.
hatebrigade		#2494	[-]
Posts: 2590 (09/06/08 1:56 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Most young people I know are pretty invested in this election, and I'm not even American. I'd also like to think our views are more flexible because we haven't lived long enough to become such a staunch single party supporter. If I were voting for Canada's sake, I'd vote McCain, but Obama is what's good for Americans.
candi7of9		#2495	[-]
Posts: 874 (09/06/08 2:00 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire, I'm glad you listened to McCain's speech and at least give it credit for being earnest. That may be the only good thing you can say about it, but it says a lot because I finally watched Obama's speech and that was one thing that was very much lacking until he go to the MLK bit, and then it was only appealing to some people, even though it purported to appeal to all people. My first impression after listening to Obama's speech was that his speechwriter is far inferior to the ones McCain has to work with when you consider his and Palin's. It's like comparing filet mignon to a hot dog. Palin: And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely. There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you. McCain: My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God. Obama: So I've got news for you, John McCain. We all put our country first. A 47 year old lawyer/community organizer has no business saying that to a 72 year old crippled veteran. It's a stupid thing to say and anybody over the age of ten should be able to recognize it as an outright lie.
CBRetriever		#2496	[-]
Posts: 20875 (09/06/08 2:02 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	heh to Vic he was governor of a larger population than Palin, served in the Georgia senate for two terms and worked for the DNC, chairing at least one committee. And he had a way more distinguished college education as well.
Beefcake		#2497	[-]
Posts: 1376 (09/06/08 2:05 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's a good point, candi. Very few people put their country first; very few are able to put anything ahead of themselves. I think that's something you realize as you mature. People like Obama really have no idea what that means -- it's just words to them. That may be why younger people are attracted to Obama, as well. They hear the words and for them that's enough. More mature people hear a politician's words and look for proof that he means what he says.
GrenadeJumper85		#2498	[-]
Posts: 5824 (09/06/08 2:07 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ You are stupid @ Candi. Just because McCain went to fight in a fucking war doesn't mean him or this Palin bitch think they have the right to say who does and doesn't love their country or who does or doesn't put their country first. For three years of his life Obama went down and worked for the people of the slums/ghettos on the south side of Chicago. These were people that were going through hard times because of jobs that were taken away in that area. They were homeless, broke, and all they had was each other. Obama went down their and WORKED FOR THESE PEOPLE to help reestablish their lives, their jobs and livelihoods. Obama has done more in Washington for the veterans then McCain ever has. Oh, and has Ms. Palin helped disadvantages families that were affected by joblessness? I don't think so. She was too busy trying to ban books from a library and thinking of wasting millions of dollars are a bridge in Alaska. Get the fuck over yourself.
Strange Flute		#2499	[-]
Posts: 3221 (09/06/08 2:11 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Obama speech wasn't meant to be a big hopey-change speech but a details speech. People wanted to hear the details of his plans, and that's what he delivered. The McCain speech was boring and narciscistic. For a guy who says Country First, he sure likes to talk about himself.
CBRetriever		#2500	[-]
Posts: 20876 (09/06/08 2:14 PM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Re John McCain and fight from US Senator Barbara Boxer: Last night at the Republican National Convention, John McCain used the word "fight" more than 40 times in his speech. In the 16 years that we have served together in the Senate, I have seen John McCain fight. I have seen him fight against raising the federal minimum wage 14 times. I have seen him fight against making sure that women earn equal pay for equal work. I have seen him fight against a women's right to choose so consistently that he received a zero percent vote rating from pro-choice organizations. I have seen him fight against helping families gain access to birth control. I have seen him fight against Social Security, even going so far as to call its current funding system "an absolute disgrace." And I saw him fight against the new GI Bill of Rights until it became politically untenable for him to do so. John McCain voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time in 2007 and 100 percent of the time in 2008 -- that's no maverick. We do have two real fighters for change in this election -- their names are Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I'm not saying I agree with the above, but it is interesting Wasn't McCain absent during the vote for the bill on GI Rights and Obama made it a point to be there? Not sure what that has a bearing on, but I remember being kinda surprised to hear that he didn't go back to DC for a critical vote like that.

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ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?