McCain should pick Hillary now just for laffos and shock value.
True love <3 She has to know he'll probably die in office.
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ZombieLinda |
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This thread is getting funny again. I can't wait to see the rabid foaming Obamaniacs melt down even more in November. <3
McCain should pick Hillary now just for laffos and shock value.
True love <3 She has to know he'll probably die in office. |
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rugslug |
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so I guess the libs won't be mentioning old age and McCain anymore considering Biden is within about 5 years of McCain in age and first took office when
Obama was 9.
Foreign policy experience? this from Reuters:
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candi7of9 |
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Since this choice strangely seems to be driving the right wingers into mad hysteria, it must be the right choice.I'm not a right-winger, just a neutral planning on voting for McCain, but I think I'm more amused than hysterical. Mostly because me and my fiance had joked yesterday about him sending out the text late at night, waking people up and pissing them off. And that's how it happened. After it had already been leaked to the press and posted on his website. But like the choice itself, I don't think it's going to dramatically change the outcome of the election, if it affects it at all. Eaaaarly in the election I was pretty confident I would not be voting for McCain. There was a slim possibility the democrats could nominate somebody I'd vote for. After the Reverend Wright thing it became pretty clear I wouldn't be voting for Obama. I respect some of the democrat philosophy and it might have been nice for them to pick a more qualified candidate. But after seeing the way the party has sabotaged themselves at every turn this election, I don't know if I would want to ever support such an inept party--it would only lead to heartache and frustration. The democrats have serious problems--their ideas are of value, their execution this election is appallingly terrible. I honestly believe Obama was an unwise choice for the nomination, that Hillary would not have been much better if at all, and that Obama either has some moron as his lead strategist or is not listening to the counsel that is given him. But I still think he could win. This is really mostly about Democrat vs. Republican. |
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rugslug |
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this quote in response to Biden's, inarticulateness (regarding Obama being neat and clean), from Markos Moulitsas: "Really, if we live in a just
world, this will be the end of Joe Biden's political career."
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Trixie Delight |
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I still can't figure out the choice. Generally a southern governor would have been the obvious and smartest pick. 2 Senators and one from the Northeast
where Obama already has most of those states in the bag?
Not to mention the only thing these two have done is graduate law school and immediately run for public office. |
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SurvivorLDog93 |
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Worst VP choice since J Danforth Hoofinmouth.
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Strange Flute |
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candi7of9 wrote:The reality is that many people are enthusiastic supporters of Obama. How is McCain going to win when even his own party has called him a "RINO", "crazy", "unstable"? Conservative and libertarian leaning voters can't stand McCain, are holding their nose while supporting him, and even you are a tepid supporter of McCain. "The thought of McCain being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." -- Republican US Senator, Thad Cochran |
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Vicconius |
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Thad would be a great name for the evil frat guy in an 80s college movie.
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springfeverish |
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"Scranton"
"Catholic" "Blue collar" I get it now. |
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rugslug |
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another example of Biden's "genius" on foreign policy right after 9/11:
um Joe? Iranians aren't Arabs. Some great foreign policy experience there. link http://hotair.com/archive...ens-foreign-policy-chops/ |
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Trixie Delight |
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This kind of sums it up:
Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence Aug 23, 5:02 AM (ET) By RON FOURNIER DENVER (AP) - The candidate of change went with the status quo. In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness - inexperience in office and on foreign policy - rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions. He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate - the ultimate insider - rather than a candidate from outside Washington, such as Govs. Tim Kaine of Virginia or Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas; or from outside his party, such as Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska; or from outside the mostly white male club of vice presidential candidates. Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't even make his short list. The picks say something profound about Obama: For all his self-confidence, the 47-year-old Illinois senator worried that he couldn't beat Republican John McCain without help from a seasoned politician willing to attack. The Biden selection is the next logistical step in an Obama campaign that has become more negative - a strategic decision that may be necessary but threatens to run counter to his image. Democratic strategists, fretting over polls that showed McCain erasing Obama's lead this summer, welcomed the move. They, too, worried that Obama needed a more conventional - read: tougher - approach to McCain. "You've got to hand it to the candidate and the campaign. They have a great sense of timing and tone and appropriateness. Six months ago, people said he wasn't tough enough on Hillary Clinton - he was being too passive - but he got it right at the right time," said Democratic strategist Jim Jordan. "He'll get it right again." Indeed, Obama has begun to aggressively counter McCain's criticism with negative television ads and sharp retorts from the campaign trail. A senior Obama adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his boss has expressed impatience with what he calls a "reverence" inside his campaign for his message of change and new politics. In other words, Obama is willing - even eager - to risk what got him this far if it gets him to the White House. Biden brings a lot to the table. An expert on national security, the Delaware senator voted in 2002 to authorize military intervention in Iraq but has since become a vocal critic of the conflict. He won praise for a plan for peace in Iraq that would divide the country along ethnic lines. Chief sponsor of a sweeping anti-crime bill that passed in 1994, Biden could help inoculate Obama from GOP criticism that he's soft on crime - a charge his campaign fears will drive a wedge between white voters and the first black candidate with a serious shot at the White House. So the question is whether Biden's depth counters Obama's inexperience - or highlights it? After all, Biden is anything but a change agent, having been in office longer than half of all Americans have been alive. Longer than McCain. And he talks too much. On the same day he announced his second bid for the presidency, Biden found himself explaining why he had described Obama as "clean." And there's the 2007 ABC interview in which Biden said he would stand by an earlier statement that Obama was not ready to serve as president. It seems Obama is worried that some voters are starting to agree. ---_ EDITOR'S NOTE: Ron Fournier has covered national politics for The Associated
Press for nearly 20 years.
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lilnubber |
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Trixie, Ron Fournier, if you can believe this shit, is a McCain mouthpiece:
Ron Fournier is a GOP hack |
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memyselfandi |
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Bah. Ron Fournier is a Republican shill and it is an embarrassment to The Associated Press that they let him continue to head their Washington bureau even
after it was revealed just how close he was to becoming a flack for John McCain's presidential bid before apparently deciding he could help his favored
candidate a lot more directing political coverage for the most powerful news organization in America.
I'm not super enthused (or super bummed for that matter) of the pick of Biden, but no matter what column Fournier wrote about this pick it was going to be negative. |
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memyselfandi |
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;) Obviously I posted that before realizing nubber was already on the case.
But anyway... I didn't think the event was that terrible other than Biden saying "literally" literally at least 5 times. |
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Trixie Delight |
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I don't think he sounds hackish at all. That was a pretty reasonable opinion piece.
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rugslug |
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springfeverish wrote:Scranton?� Biden's been representing Delaware for 35+ years pro choice = not Catholic. how is he blue collar when his only job has been politician? |
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Ann Margret Thatcher |
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Well, if I'd bet money I would've won. Don't know that it was the wisest choice though. Despite what he says now, it's going to be difficult to
counter the image of Biden standing right next to Obama and saying that he's not ready to be president. That's probably more damaging than the
"clean" comment or the 7-11 joke. Biden's good at throwing out the one liners though.
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Shutterbug78 |
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I'm pleasantly surprised that Obama didn't go with a "yes-man" evidenced by the quote.
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memyselfandi |
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Well if McCain picks Romney then what Biden said about Obama is pretty much moot because those guys practically nuked each other during the Republican
primaries.
In a way, Obama picking someone like that if handled well by the campaign could serve them well if they can convince voters this shows an Obama administration won't just be filled with sycophants and followers AND if Biden can successfully address this with something where he admits what he said but says Obama changed his mind and his opinions is different now where he can offer sort of a testimony that could possibly convince other old white people that even if they originally thought he wasn't ready for president, they now think he is. We'll just see how this all plays out. |
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Ann Margret Thatcher |
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Oh yeah, if he picks Romney, they'll have zero room to talk.
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