chapera rocks wrote:
Um, do you know how "random" works? With an extra Chapera buff in there, there's no way to know if Jenna would have gotten it.
Thanks, CR for posting what I was going to say.
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chapera rocks wrote: Thanks, CR for posting what I was going to say. |
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Because it came down to Amber and Jenna L. for the last two buffs. Had they followed the numbers and kept it 6 on Chapera, 4 on Mogo Mogo, then both Amber and
Jenna L. get put on Chapera. I'm not just randomly deciding that it's Jenna L. But based on the buff draws and what should have been Chapera buffs,
Jenna L. should have been on Chapera and voted off.
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craig |
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We haven't got to ASS rivalries yet, though here is Rob's first appearence.
#14 Rob Mariano vs John Carroll (S4)
What do you get when you cross The Godfather with Happy Gilmour? (see above pic) For 4 episodes following the switch in Marquasas, the two alpha male leaders butted heads. Memorable moments include John forming the Rotu 4 and stupidity booting Gabe, Rob winning the IC before the merge while John sat out and hoped they'd lose so Rob could be booted, and Rob turning Kathy against the Rotu 4 in his role as tribal ambassador at the merge. Also pretty of classic Rob lines, including some anti-John comments perceived as homophobic by Rob haters. Outcome: Rob laid the groundwork for the demise of the Rotu 4, but it was a posthumous victory as John sent him home first. The real winner was Vee, whose "too much drama" catchphrase was her response to Rob and John going at it. For some reason Sucks sided with Rob and hated John, who was given a hard time when he posted here. In ASS, Rob showed that he'd learned only too well not to repeat John's error of making the pecking order too obvious. He went to the other extreme - a handshake deal with every juror but Shii Ann for F4 or better. #13 Jenna Morasca vs Rob Cesternino (S6)
Most of the rivalries listed so far have ended in mutual destruction. Rivalries are entertaining, but making enemies and focusing on beating them distracts from the goal of winning. The next 3 are a nice change, in that the outcome was mutual respect and one rival voting for the other. Jenna and Rob were the greatest "frienemies" in the history of Survivor. They were both huge Survivor fans and good social players who enjoyed each other's sense of humour. Rob dreamed of the cute girls while on tribe sausagefest, Jenna picked him for New Jaburu, and together they took control of the game. But at F7, Rob worried that Jenna and Heidi were so tight and that and Alex was willing to go to F3 with them. So he orchestrated a powershift with the help of his backup alliance of outsiders. Jenna and Heidi yelled at Rob and called him out. But Rob was too smart to put two livid ladies on the jury, and he agreed to blindside an indecisive Christy, which made Jenna feel much better about Rob (much as Adam did when Yul booted Jonathan). Heidi went next, since the girls couldn't flip Butch, and Jenna appeared doomed until a surprise IC run carried her to victory. She spared Rob at F4 (she liked and respected him more than Butch), then combined revenge and good strategy by taking Matt Von Goat to F2. Outcome: Rob voted for Jenna, his strategic adversary, rather than his handpicked goat who threw the final IC. It was comparable to Candice voting for Yul, the gamer voting for the threat who made it to the end despite their best efforts. Jenna and Rob became and remained great friends. |
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chapera rocks |
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RobVanStratus wrote:
I don't know if I should explain or just laugh. tullfan, you want to take this one while I laugh? |
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Bobby Jon goes apeshit |
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The Four Horsemen vs Earl and his pawns with treachery Dreamz playing both sides FTW!
Oh, come on. It was epic. |
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craig |
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Most of the rivalries listed so far have ended in mutual destruction... The next 3 are a nice change, in that the outcome was mutual respect and one rival voting for the other.Any guesses what 12 and 11 are? |
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kenc333 |
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Sandra vs. Jon?
Terry vs. Aras? |
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chapera rocks |
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I agree with Terry vs. Aras.
Though I don't know if Sandra and Jon respected each other. Ivette vs. Janelle? Though maybe that would be saved for Friendship vs. Sovs. Danielle vs. Boogie/Will? Probably not, but a possibility. Jerri vs. Tina vs. Colby, but there wasn't much love between Jerri and Colby/Tina after. Chris vs. the women? If I had to pick two, I would say Terry/Aras and Ivette/Janelle |
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9RedWing19 |
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craig wrote:Can't agree with you on this Craig. First, it was just as unfair to Cindy as it was to Brian, although she ended up doing a better job integrating into the new tribe than Brian did. There was nothing "solid" about core new-Nakum. Yes Rafe & Steph were tight, but Jamie and Lydia were from the minority alliance in old-Yaxha, and Jamie was gunning for Steph from the get-go. You had Margaret & Brooke from the core old-Nakum alliance, with Cindy on the outside and Judd very much on the outside. Before the merge, the old-Yaxha members did a better job recognizing where their collective self-interest lay, and were able to get rid of the two physically weaker old-Nakum members. NewNakum weren't that solid after the merge either, getting rid of Jamie once they had guaranteed numbers. I heard Judd interviewed post-season, and he said that he and Jamie were planning to move at F7, had Gary gone at 8 (eg you would have had Judd/Jamie/Lydia targetting Rafe/Steph needing only to pull over one of Cindy or Danni - in game terms it would have been a great move to break up Rafe & Steph). While not as fluid in their deals as S7, S11 at least had everyone going for the win, with none of the loyalist-female types (Katie, Becky) that make the road easier to the end for the alpah-male IC hogs. |
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vivalasux |
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Jen vs. the Donatos, for the win. Chelsia vs. Natalie would be kind of awesome to see. |
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chapera rocks |
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Interesting (about Judd/Jamie going to boot Rafe/Steph). But then again, Judd isn't the most ... honest person. He seemed like he was upset he got
outwitted by Rafe/Steph. He likes to twist things, like how he supposedly never lied etc. So I'm not too sure how much I trust him.
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craig |
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RW, Judd and James were solid enough with Rafe and co. that they were willing to treat the other tribe like dirt and pagong 3/4 of them. That's pretty
soild.
Cindy would have been the 3rd girl Nakum girl pagonged if they'd lost again premerge. I don't buy that Brooke was a challenge liabilitity, it was more about her being part of the Nakum 5 and being a smart lawyer girl.
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JonathanPDisciple |
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Jonathan vs. Cirie for sure. That one tore Sucks apart!
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NewNakum weren't that solid after the merge either, getting rid of Jamie once they had guaranteed numbers. I heard Judd interviewed post-season, and he said that he and Jamie were planning to move at F7, had Gary gone at 8 (eg you would have had Judd/Jamie/Lydia targetting Rafe/Steph needing only to pull over one of Cindy or Danni - in game terms it would have been a great move to break up Rafe & Steph). Yeah, but Jamie become OTT to an absurd extent. Had he behaved himself normally, I figure things would have been fine to F7. As has already been said, I'm hesitant in believing Judd when he says that for the simple fact that he was so far up Stephenie's ass before she betrayed him. I just don't see him turning against her. After she did that he certainly hated her and has reason to say that he may have done something in the game that was not to her benefit. First, it was just as unfair to Cindy as it was to Brian, although she ended up doing a better job integrating into the new tribe than Brian did. At the very least with Brian, he did earn the spot of being on the 7 person tribe as he hadn't done so good in the challenges like his 4 formerly Nakum new tribemates did. :P Looking at those who were most screwed by the twist, I'd lean towards Danni/Brandon/BJ long term, and Amy, Brooke and Margaret short term. Wasn't Brian in the minority on Yaxha anyway? Its not like he was gonna go far in this game and the twist completely screwed him out of a position of great power. Cindy on the other hand was likely the next boot on original Nakum and certainly lucked out big time that the switch swapped out most of the power alliance from her tribe. And unlike most of that post-switch Nakum alliance, she at least earned her merge majority :P |
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chapera rocks |
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Cindy would have been the 3rd girl Nakum girl pagonged if they'd lost again premerge. I don't buy that Brooke was a challenge liabilitity, it was more about her being part of the Nakum 5 and being a smart lawyer girl.Brooke herself described herself as physically weak pre-game. It was only post-show that she was suddenly so strong and much better than Steph. |
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craig |
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Funny CR, this is the same argument I had with you about Misty only we are on opposite sides. As Eliza has shown, smart girls can be an asset in many
challenges even if they don't have brute strength.
Remember Cindy saying Danni sucks at everything but shooting baskets just before Danni won 2\4 final ICs. |
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chapera rocks |
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craig wrote: True, Brooke would have been an asset in mental challenges, but remember, Steph especially, and her team was all about "physical" prowess, since
most of the Guatemala challenges had been physically based. They probably knew Lydia was even weaker, but they needed her for numbers.
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9RedWing19 |
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chapera rocks wrote: True, they are all spin doctors after the season, trying to put themselves in the best possible light. But it is a plausible scenario (and those guys have plenty of time to do all sorts of "what-if" scenarios). If Judd was reluctant to boot Steph at 7, they may have compromised on targeting Rafe (which would have worked to Judd's advantage since that would have pushed Steph towards Judd (since aligning with Danni would have her down 2-4) and Judd would have 2 potential F2 partners in Jamie and Steph). |
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chapera rocks wrote: Remember that Brooke carried the torch in the first IC, which I took to mean that Nakum considered her to be the weakest physically. Mind you, put Brooke on Yaxha and she would have been third behind Amy and Steph. Old Nakum was far stronger physically than old Yaxha when you look top to bottom (in retrospect the only way Nakum lost the first IC was because some of the men were still getting over the effects of the hike - do that challenge on day 6, I don't see Nakum losing it). |
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JaMalle |
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Guatemala is one of the best seasons ever.
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