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Teeanday		#4341	[-]
Posts: 3386 (07/02/08 6:33 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: Why are they big questions with respect to Obama's character? Was he caught smuggling covert information to the Russians? Did McCarthy blacklist him? What specificly did Barack Obama do or not do that makes you question his alliegence to the United States and his commitment to public service? I'm sorry but this whole business is so fucking stupid, these pointless measurings of McCain and Obama's 'amount' of patriotism. Aren't there policies and positions and actual stuff to actually argue around here? 20 plus years under the tutelage of a race hating pastor.
SoakingInIt		#4342	[-]
Posts: 347 (07/02/08 6:34 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Teeanday wrote: SoakingInIt wrote: rugslug wrote: SoakingInIt wrote: I think you may be missing the point. The fact is that Gen. Clark was NOT launching any attacks on McCain's military service. Just stating that it does not automatically qualify him to be POTUS. what Clark said: "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president." What Clark is trying to do is make John McCain a passenger in a plane that happened to get shot down. He seems to forget that McCain flew many missions in Viet Nam and that he suffered as a POW for years. He seems to miss McCain's command exprience after Viet Nam as well as his 20+ years in the Senate and Congress. Clark's aim could only be to denigrate McCain's service into one throw away sentence. That, in effect, is the attack on McCain's military service. Do you live in one of the States that is being bombarded with McCain's campaign ads that do nothing but celebrate his experience by being a POW? If he's going to use that as a selling point to become president, then questioning that is fully justified. i'm calling bullshit on this one. Name the state, station and ad please. Call bullshit all you want. 1. Ohio. 2. CNN & just about every local channel here. 3. The ad I'm referring to not only talks about his military experience, but also shows pictures of him in the POW camp while he recounts how his "faith" got him through those years.
Teeanday		#4343	[-]
Posts: 3387 (07/02/08 6:37 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SoakingInIt wrote: Teeanday wrote: SoakingInIt wrote: rugslug wrote: SoakingInIt wrote: I think you may be missing the point. The fact is that Gen. Clark was NOT launching any attacks on McCain's military service. Just stating that it does not automatically qualify him to be POTUS. what Clark said: "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president." What Clark is trying to do is make John McCain a passenger in a plane that happened to get shot down. He seems to forget that McCain flew many missions in Viet Nam and that he suffered as a POW for years. He seems to miss McCain's command exprience after Viet Nam as well as his 20+ years in the Senate and Congress. Clark's aim could only be to denigrate McCain's service into one throw away sentence. That, in effect, is the attack on McCain's military service. Do you live in one of the States that is being bombarded with McCain's campaign ads that do nothing but celebrate his experience by being a POW? If he's going to use that as a selling point to become president, then questioning that is fully justified. i'm calling bullshit on this one. Name the state, station and ad please. Call bullshit all you want. 1. Ohio. 2. CNN & just about every local channel here. 3. The ad I'm referring to not only talks about his military experience, but also shows pictures of him in the POW camp while he recounts how his "faith" got him through those years. gee, i was in washington courthouse and middletown yesterday and didn't see one ad for McCain like that, you do know the difference between a mccain ad and a 527 right?
Ann Margret Thatcher		#4344	[-]
Posts: 5914 (07/02/08 6:48 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Specifically in "Never Surrender" "Tied Up, " and "Character In Spades" I personally don't have a problem with him using it in the ads, but don't act like he isn't doing it.
SoakingInIt		#4345	[-]
Posts: 350 (07/02/08 6:55 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I couldn't find the specific ad I was referring to, but here's a similar example:
SoakingInIt		#4346	[-]
Posts: 351 (07/02/08 7:10 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ann Margret Thatcher wrote: Specifically in "Never Surrender" "Tied Up, " and "Character In Spades" I personally don't have a problem with him using it in the ads, but don't act like he isn't doing it. Exactly my point. I don't have a problem with it either, but if you are going to use that experience as a qualification to become POTUS, then you should expect it to be questioned.
SurvivorLDog93		#4347	[-]
Posts: 20439 (07/02/08 7:57 PM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I avoid this thread for a few days, and return to find that a serial windbag like Wesley Clark has the right wing reeling? Anyway, a radio source I generally trust announced today that Romney is definitely going to be McCain's Veep choice.
SoakingInIt		#4348	[-]
Posts: 352 (07/02/08 8:13 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorLDog93 wrote: I avoid this thread for a few days, and return to find that a serial windbag like Wesley Clark has the right wing reeling? Anyway, a radio source I generally trust announced today that Romney is definitely going to be McCain's Veep choice. Even after all the FLDS coverage? He's really going to choose a Mormon as his Veep? I don't personally care, and I realize that the FLDS is not typical of mainstream LDS, but still... pretty risky move on McCain's part.
Bacalaitos		#4349	[-]
Posts: 2805 (07/02/08 8:20 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not really, Romney is considered good in economics and is also a good fundraiser. The mormon thing will have little to no impact.
SoakingInIt		#4350	[-]
Posts: 354 (07/02/08 8:24 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bacalaitos wrote: Not really, Romney is considered good in economics and is also a good fundraiser. The mormon thing will have little to no impact. I hope you're right, but I'm doubtful. For almost a year, Obama has had to distinguish himself as a Christian and not Muslim. I have a feeling that the radical left will latch on to this and subject Romney to the same bullshit Obama's had to endure.
thecolbster		#4351	[-]
Posts: 324 (07/02/08 8:28 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think Romney is probably a pretty good choice for him. He can raise money and gives McCain a shot at Michigan. I could also see charismatic christians being OK with Romney even with the Mormon thing. Since he's just the veep doesn't mean they have to totally support him. They can say "Well, I wouldn't vote for him for president but…"
SoakingInIt		#4352	[-]
Posts: 355 (07/02/08 8:32 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think McCain can win Michigan all by himself, as well as Florida. The DNC (under the idiocy of Howard Dean) pretty much handed over those two states to the Republican party.
thecolbster		#4353	[-]
Posts: 325 (07/02/08 8:37 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not really. Obama has a decent lead in Michigan and McCain's lead in FL is pretty small.
SurvivorLDog93		#4354	[-]
Posts: 20442 (07/02/08 9:10 PM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If it's true, Romney would certainly give McCain a shot at matching Obama-Whoever dollar-for-dollar. Not to mention bringing some disaffected conservatives back under the tent.
Gregoire		#4355	[-]
Posts: 27968 (07/02/08 9:25 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"It's the lack of information on Obama's character that is troubling." There is no lack of information about Obama. There's just a lack of information that you find troubling. I refuse to listen to Wes Clark's silly comments on McCain -- I hardly think he's running on just his military experience -- and I refuse to listen to the kneejerk cons blow swirls of mystery around Obama so they can claim he's an unpatriotic part-Muslim/part-psycho Christian radical. Last Edited By: Gregoire 07/02/08 9:29 PM. Edited 2 times.
memyselfandi		#4356	[-]
Posts: 14229 (07/02/08 11:28 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorLDog93 wrote: I avoid this thread for a few days, and return to find that a serial windbag like Wesley Clark has the right wing reeling? Anyway, a radio source I generally trust announced today that Romney is definitely going to be McCain's Veep choice. Yes. Frankly I've missed Mittens all these months since the GOP primary ended.
BobbyBrown06		#4357	[-]
Posts: 8741 (07/02/08 11:38 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rugslug wrote: Visa Declined wrote: it does seem a stretch to call Clarks statements as an attack on McCain's military experience much less how any of it relates to Obama's (lack of) qualifications to be president. It sounds like the manufactured outrage came first and was matched to first comments McCains campaign consultants thought they could apply it to. I like McCain, but doesn't he have anything else to talk about? Clark's statement is equivalent to a Republican saying "I don't think being a half-black Muslim is a qualification to be President" I'm sure the Obama campaign would be playing the race card on that one. So you're content with never being taken seriously ever again? (if you even were to begin with...)
CSCin3D		#4358	[-]
Posts: 8381 (07/03/08 12:07 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BobbyBrown06 wrote: rugslug wrote: Visa Declined wrote: it does seem a stretch to call Clarks statements as an attack on McCain's military experience much less how any of it relates to Obama's (lack of) qualifications to be president. It sounds like the manufactured outrage came first and was matched to first comments McCains campaign consultants thought they could apply it to. I like McCain, but doesn't he have anything else to talk about? Clark's statement is equivalent to a Republican saying "I don't think being a half-black Muslim is a qualification to be President" I'm sure the Obama campaign would be playing the race card on that one. So you're content with never being taken seriously ever again? (if you even were to begin with...) Umm, according to Muslim law, he is a Muslim (and quite possibly was raised as one). Why is that so hard to accept for you guys?
memyselfandi		#4359	[-]
Posts: 14230 (07/03/08 12:15 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well I don't live by Muslim law so he's not a Muslim to me.
BobbyBrown06		#4360	[-]
Posts: 8742 (07/03/08 12:22 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CSCin3D wrote: BobbyBrown06 wrote: rugslug wrote: Visa Declined wrote: it does seem a stretch to call Clarks statements as an attack on McCain's military experience much less how any of it relates to Obama's (lack of) qualifications to be president. It sounds like the manufactured outrage came first and was matched to first comments McCains campaign consultants thought they could apply it to. I like McCain, but doesn't he have anything else to talk about? Clark's statement is equivalent to a Republican saying "I don't think being a half-black Muslim is a qualification to be President" I'm sure the Obama campaign would be playing the race card on that one. So you're content with never being taken seriously ever again? (if you even were to begin with...) Umm, according to Muslim law, he is a Muslim (and quite possibly was raised as one). Why is that so hard to accept for you guys? Maybe because he's a Christian. Why is that so hard to accept for you guys?

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