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Strange Flute		#4321	[-]
Posts: 2685 (07/09/08 1:55 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rugslug wrote: McCain has changed position on topics OVER HIS 30 YEAR CAREER. Flip/Flopbama has changed his positions on Iraq, abortion, Supreme Court judges, FISA, etc. OVER ONE MONTH. See the difference? Flip/flopbama shows that he doesn't transcend anything but is just the same old double talking politician the Dems have been forcing on the country for years. Can right wingers resist the temptation to use talking points, group think and jingo speak? The word I hear is that Obama is hitting the flip switch like some hopped up huff monkey who can't make up his mind. McContradiction by Robert Gordon and James Kvaal What's worse than flip-flopping? Consistently promising two opposing goals at the same time Post Date Wednesday, July 09, 2008 John McCain's fantastical pledge on Monday to balance the budget by 2013 through massive tax cuts and unidentified budget reductions deserved the bad reviews it received. But the most unfortunate element of his incoherent promise is that it's representative of his policy agenda these days. While the McCain campaign is trying to paint Barack Obama as a flip-flopper, the Arizona Republican is making diametrically opposed policy promises to different audiences at the same time. The contradictions are often in the details, but their obscurity is evidence of the campaign's cynicism. Take McCain's ambitious health care plan. It would give every family a $5,000 health insurance tax credit at a cost of $3.6 trillion, by his campaign's own account. Despite its size, McCain aides have said, repeatedly, that McCain's health care proposal has no net cost. That's because it would tax workers' health benefits, which the Joint Committee on Taxation agrees will raise $3.6 trillion (in its analysis of the Bush proposal that served as the model for McCain's plan). Taxing health benefits solves the budget problem, but it creates another: It raises taxes on tens of millions of middle-class families, according to a Center for American Progress Action Fund report one of us co-authored continued at: The New Republic
rugslug		#4322	[-]
Posts: 6736 (07/09/08 3:09 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Flip/flopbama has gone from change we can believe in to change we can't keep up with. Does he even remember day to day where he stands on issues anymore? He better go back to his Hope for Spare Change campaign slogan.
lilnubber		#4323	[-]
Posts: 9396 (07/09/08 5:41 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	National Security Policy 1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite. 2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite. 3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country." 4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding. 5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it. 6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion. Foreign Policy 7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. 8. McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite. 9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite. 10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite. 11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision. 12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it. 13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it. Military Policy 14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course." 15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea. 16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough." 17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013. 18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it. Domestic Policy 19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.) 20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't. 21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite. 22. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite. 23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser. 24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona. 25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position. 26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. 27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it. 28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol. 29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag. 30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time. Economic Policy 31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them. 32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics. 33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first. 34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending. 35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite. 36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes." 37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions. 38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office. Energy Policy 39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he's against it. 40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea. 41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary. 42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite. 43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't. Immigration Policy 44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it. 45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill. 46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority." Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law 47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite. 48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite. 49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite. Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform 50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't. 51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure. 52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation. Politics and Associations 53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.) 54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't. 55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004. 56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church. 57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks. 58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support. 59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it. 60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York. 61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally. Jukebox John Changes His Tune Every Few Minutes
rugslug		#4324	[-]
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The Balloon Artist		#4325	[-]
Posts: 1629 (07/09/08 6:17 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Throw 'em all under the Bus. When the press keeps repeating A pastor you've not heard of And Obama keeps retreating But you can't seem to hear enough Throw Pastor under the bus Throw Pastor under the bus Throw Pastor under the bus Just a start (Throw Pastor under the bus) (Throw Pastor under the bus) (Throw Pastor under the bus) When everything seems all racist Typical whites seems unkind Tell everyone this cute story Take all the worry out of your mind Throw Mama under the bus Throw Mama under the bus Throw Mama under the bus Just to start (Throw Mama under the bus) (Just to start) (Throw Mama under the bus) (Throw Mama under the bus) (Throw Mama under the bus) When your party has gone too far to the left This will stop your drifting far Try today, you'll find this way Come on give them a push out of the way Throw Party under the bus It's all you're running for Release yourself from misery Only one thing's gonna set you free That's my Bus That's my Bus Throw party under the bus Throw party under the bus Throw party under the bus Throw party under the bus When a War Hero assails you And your guy brings them down This will cure your problem The bus wheels drown the sound Throw Wesley under the bus Throw Wesley under the bus Throw Wesley under the bus And then start Vaaroom Vaaroom
merkyl		#4326	[-]
Posts: 55594 (07/09/08 6:20 AM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I wonder if nubsie has any real sources.
rugslug		#4327	[-]
Posts: 6739 (07/09/08 6:29 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Obama the elitist finds Americans "embarassing": Barack Obama said during a town hall meeting in Georgia on Tuesday: "It's embarrassing when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe and all we can say is merci beaucoup." Michelle Obama also isn't proud of this country either!
SurvivorLDog93		#4328	[-]
Posts: 20463 (07/09/08 6:44 AM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nubbie, please stop posting facts as opinions. You'll confound the opposition.
Gregoire		#4329	[-]
Posts: 27992 (07/09/08 7:41 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No wonder that offends you. Ruggy supports America's failed education system! What am I saying, Ruggy is the poster child.
SurvivorLDog93		#4330	[-]
Posts: 20464 (07/09/08 7:48 AM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yes, Ruggie. Only elitists think we should learn foreign languages. [/sarcasm] (end command added for the sarcasm-impaired) Last Edited By: SurvivorLDog93 07/09/08 7:50 AM. Edited 1 times.
TC		#4331	[-]
Posts: 818 (07/09/08 7:53 AM) I Need A Clue More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rugslug wrote: Obama the elitist finds Americans "embarassing": Barack Obama said during a town hall meeting in Georgia on Tuesday: "It's embarrassing when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe and all we can say is merci beaucoup." Michelle Obama also isn't proud of this country either! Did he really say it's embarassing? He's embarassed that we can't speak french with the high percentage of our population who are in prison or on welfare? What's his plan then? Will he cut funding to special ed students and just get them trained for the best job they can acheive in order to revert funds to kids who are CAPABLE of learning a second language???
merkyl		#4332	[-]
Posts: 55602 (07/09/08 7:56 AM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe the kids can learn french during their slavery mandatory public service Obama wants to impose.
Gregoire		#4333	[-]
Posts: 27993 (07/09/08 8:02 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love the continued support of institutional stupidity from the usual suspects here. Even total dumbasses in other countries speak more than one language. His position is that of most high school educators in the United States. But nooooo, flag-waving neocons know best. Keep people in the dark as long as possible, especially when it comes to other countries.
rugslug		#4334	[-]
Posts: 6740 (07/09/08 8:04 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorLDog93 wrote: Yes, Ruggie. Only elitists think we should learn foreign languages.
merkyl		#4335	[-]
Posts: 55603 (07/09/08 8:12 AM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Looks like the martyr will do anything he can now to defend Obama's stupid statements.
TC		#4336	[-]
Posts: 819 (07/09/08 8:15 AM) I Need A Clue More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think you can learn french in 50 hours a year. I also don't think the community service thing is a bad idea. I had to do it for Civics classes in Jr. High and High School. We also had to get involved in political campaigns during election years. That was a GREAT learning experience (and I got to get drunk and make out with some dude from Washington on election night!!) But i don't think that's really something that should be decided at a presidential level. He should have better things to be thinking about.
unkle greggo		#4337	[-]
Posts: 2217 (07/09/08 9:11 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The main reason a lot of europeans can speak english is because it's vital to their success in the business world.
PassionatePiscesMan		#4338	[-]
Posts: 5268 (07/09/08 9:12 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	French is out, Chinesse is in
unkle greggo		#4339	[-]
Posts: 2218 (07/09/08 9:13 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	lilnubber wrote: This thread has become comedy.fucking.gold. Seriously. My stomach hurts from laughing so hard. NOBODY wants to be next to Merkyl. x 1896 And it's not that I don't like Merkyl, I just think that there are a lot more differences in our personal politics. I don't give a shit about abortion. I think we need more, I don't want most of dipshits to breed. And I'm okay with gay marriage, with a few minor law changes.
PassionatePiscesMan		#4340	[-]
Posts: 5269 (07/09/08 9:16 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have no problem with gay couples having abortions.

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