Somebody else mentioned seeing the word PLENA. Interestingly, The fat guy. .. forgot his name. Attended PLNU. Maybe its somehow a twist on the word/
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AlwaysAwesomeAdam |
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Just a speculation.
Somebody else mentioned seeing the word PLENA. Interestingly, The fat guy. .. forgot his name. Attended PLNU. Maybe its somehow a twist on the word/ |
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ShanSlam |
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Trixiego wrote: Sorry about this, Trixie. I'd say this is more like analytical speculation...or speculative analysis...or a flight of fantasy!
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AlwaysAwesomeAdam |
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Mark isn't the mole. . .one reason? Which one is Mark?
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Redhead9015 |
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AlwaysAwesomeAdam wrote: Marh is the older guy who says he's playing for his family. |
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HaroldBalzaccio |
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AlwaysAwesomeAdam wrote: Sounds like a pretty good case for Mark's molishness to me. |
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AlwaysAwesomeAdam |
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HaroldBalzaccio wrote: No, its a bad case. In some way, shape, or form, you want the viewers to look back at each episode once the show concludes and say. . .'yeah I do
remember so and so doing that'. If you can't remember somebody after the first 'deception' its more than likely means they ain't the mole.
Liz - Not the mole b/c old ladies can't keep a secret. Skinny Kid - running out of breathe Kristen - Being a blonde scientist that's semi hot. .I mean really if that ain't molish I don't know what is.
Mark - ????????? Crying ???????????? |
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Kenneth |
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I did a search for the words "preview" and "execution" through the thread and this didn't come up, so sorry if this was already said.
I want to remain unspoiled/unspeculated??? as possible, but I figured others may appreciate this if it hasn't been mentioned. Delete if necessary.
I think the preview for next week actually spoils the next person to be executed. Also, I'm pretty sure this week's execution was shown completely out of order and Kristin's results were actually given first but, for some reason, just not shown. You can tell because after each person gets the green thumb print, a green outline appears around their small picture on the main screen. Ali is shown to be the first person to get their quiz results, but when the host goes to touch Ali's small picture, you can see Kristin's small picture is already outlined in green meaning she was given her results first. Victoria is also shown getting her results before Paul, but if you watch the green outlines, it appears to have happened the other way around. Sometimes this happens in editing and it means nothing, but who knows. It's does seem odd that Kristen went first and it wasn't shown. |
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survivoronline2005 |
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Or the fact he put the jeans on the table during the Crusoe challenge? When they were obviously wrong? AND HE WAS A HISTORY TEACHER?
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dolphinschick |
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I am so easily swayed. After watching the show I thought Bobby was the Mole, then I was explaining to a friend how maybe it was Nicole, since the whole
whiner/annoying thing seemed set up, on top of all that I keep having this feeling/hunch that Alex is really the Mole, but now I think it has to be Mark.
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Vieffan |
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Kenneth: "Sometimes this happens in
editing and it means nothing, but who knows. It's does seem odd that Kristen went first and it wasn't shown."
I don't think it happened accidentally. Here, in the Netherlands, every thing is checked and double checked. They can't afford any mistakes. A mistake can mean that we know for sure who the mole is before the end of the season. So they would have noticed something like that, Right...? I think it is in there for a reason. Maybe to get us on a wrong track or maybe is it a clue. I think we will find out the next episode. anyway, to get back to the German story. I couldn't find anything about a group of Germans fall over the falls. I think the made that up. It wasn't relevant at all, so why did the tell the story? Maybe to (oh... how do I say the in English... As you noticed my English isn't very well. I come from The Netherlands so I'm not used to write in English a lot. But I hope you will understand me, and please correct me if I write something wrong. I can learn from my mistakes. |
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DikkeControleur |
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Red => Not a mole act
Orange=> A neutral act Green => A mole act I always watch the mole with this theory in my mind: "The Mole knows all. The Mole knows everything of all missions, locations, contestants and voting. This way he/she can prepare his/her actions in advance." With this in mind I try to figure out what's the best, and easiest way(s), to sabotage a mission. Mission 1: The waterfall. The mole doesn't want this money. It's a personal mission, so there is no way he/she wants to succeed. The big question is if the mole knows if he/she is jumping for real money? (How lucky that Marcie is out!). Because of my theory I think the mole knows. Maybe by a subtle hint from the crew. Or it's just told because all other are on the other end of the rope! This said he/she that earns money can't be the mole: Mark and Clay. The cool way to sabotage is to get the bag, knowing it isn't worth a dime. This makes Kristen, Bobby, Liz and Nicole slightly favorable. Pauls jump was also a pretty cool mole act. If he knew his bag was for real, than jumping and missing by an inch is a smart mole tactic. This also is true for Craig. He touches but does not catch the bag. The rest Alex, Ali and Victoria do not get the bag, but are far off with the catch. So for me that's not as molish as Paul and Craig. So their names are orange for this mission. But this was entirely in the hands of Marcie. So this paragraph is all speculation. Mission 2: Crusoe The mole can sabotage from almost every task he got. The task was in the hands of the whiner: Nicole. The Scavenger mole would just hide-beyond-sight 1 or 2 of the 5 winning objects. Because 2 objects were missing (cettle and tobacco) this could have happened. A mole point for Alex, Bobby, Clay, Craig and Victoria. An other more obvious tactic would be to bring wrong objects to the appraisers. Loosing valuable time. This happened. Craig even brought the "Mole"-board! Third tactic would be to go slow. Like Bobby and Craig did. Fourth tactic would be to go fast, bring a lot to the appraisers, but not one-of-the-five winning objects. This would my tactic. It adds no money, but it also raises no suspicion. (Combined with tactic 1 it's a killer) This is a recap of the objects found: It's Marcie who finds the goat and bible. So she is not the mole (duh!). ![]()
Victoria finds a jar and bottle. Clay brings a hat. Alex brings a hairdryer. But that object lies between the rocks. The cettle is hidden in the rocks too!!! Bobby and Craig are only seen with the mole message. The person bringing the musquet is not shown. They find 28 of the 45 objects. ![]() ![]()
The Timekeeping mole would loose time. Get tired fast. Run fast with little sand. I have seen two timers (Ali and Paul) who seem to really try to fill it with sand. Proof of this is that a lot of objects were found, and the appraisers had enough time to use all three attempts at the solution. Still why is Paul so tired, while Ali appears not to be? Is that fake? Or has he overrun himself on those stairs? Still I think they both tried genuinly, and so Ali and Paul are unlikely Moles because of this mission. The appraising mole. This mole knows the correct 5 objects to win the game. The easiest way to sabotage is to manipulate the other two in making the wrong decisions. We've seen wrong decisions indeed. Blue jeans, a camera and a pistol were presented as the solution. Based on this evidence Kristen, Liz and Mark are molish. Mark, as an history teacher, even more than the other two. BUT all three-of-five winning object from the available objects were presented in the end! So basically with that in mind the appraising mole didn't sabotage at all! (That's why they are in orange) Notes: Liz wants the vintrola on the table. Liz is reading the bible as time is running out. Mark is 'in charge'. He takes the correct two wrong items off the table from the second attempt. He leaves the Musquet, the bible and the goat. The Whining mole could appoint the 'wrong' persons for the tasks. Best chance is to assign the 'right' (from mole perspective) persons for the time. Liz and Craig would be ideal for that. Because Nicole chose able and willing Paul and Ali as timekeepers she doesn't show signs of the mole. Furthermore the whiner position is after the assignments completely outside of the game. She has no influence on the outcome, and the money. That's not a mole position. Conclusion: High Mole Potential: Alex, Bobby, Craig and Victoria Medium Mole Potential: Kristen, Liz, Paul and Ali Low Mole Potential: Mark, Clay and Nicole PS. Hi vieffan!
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dolphinschick |
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The Timekeeping mole would loose time. Get tired fast. Run fast with little sand. But the Mole doesn't always sabotage. Remember Kathryn tried much harder than Stephen or Jim in several tasks, and said afterwards how frustrated she was that they were blowing the tasks. |
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DikkeControleur |
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Granted, the mole sometimes makes some money. Too blend in as it were.
However, in my analysis I disregard that possibility (without forgetting it). Overal the Mole will sabotage. He will surface after analysing 4-5 episodes this way. Nevertheless, please stay sceptical. There is never enough logic around. |
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Vieffan |
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The appraising mole. This mole knows the correct 5 objects to win the game. The easiest way to
sabotage is to manipulate the other two in making the wrong decisions. We've seen wrong decisions indeed. Blue jeans, a camera and a pistol were presented
as the solution. Based on this evidence Kristen, Liz and Mark are molish. Mark, as an history teacher,
even more than the other two.
BUT all three-of-five winning object from the available objects were presented in the end! So basically with that in mind the appraising mole didn't sabotage at all! (That's why they are in orange) first about Mark. I disagree with you, why should a history teacher know what Crusoe bring with him. He should had known about the jeans but there were more things that Crusoe could had have. Things that existed at the time. It was very difficult and you can't expect that he knows what Crusoe had on the Island. And about the orange. I don't think the should be red, but I think there more red than orange. If one of them is the mole he/she knew that not all the correct items where there. So he/she could easily put all the correct items on the table. So he/she would not look suspicious. PS Hi DikkeControleur Ik kon het niet laten om toch ook te gaan posten. |
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HaroldBalzaccio |
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No, its a bad case. In some way, shape, or form, you want the viewers to look back at each episode once the show concludes and say. . .'yeah I do remember so and so doing that'. If you can't remember somebody after the first 'deception' its more than likely means they ain't the mole.
Vieffan wrote: He should at least know that a fucking CAMERA wasn't around in the 18th century. Get a clue. |
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Neeroo |
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Some comments on DikkeControleur's tracking....
Your fundamental theory has a flaw. The mole doesn't 'know all'. They might get some hints, and on occasion even, a generous amount of info. But at times they don't get a lot and have to improvise. So I would use different logic when analyzing the Waterfall task. You can't say anyone that got a bag that was full of counterfeit is mole-ish. It's likely the mole wouldn't even know which bags had money. After all, none-mole Marcie selected them, and giving a visual or other clue is risky. Mole-ish behavior would be missing an easy bag while making it seem like you tried your best. Not to say that the Mole doesn't get some guidance, and we can watch for that. To me, a better theory is 'the Editors know all' cause that is actually true. We can watch for scenes and how they are edited. This should yield good clues about what they want us to see and what they don't. On the scavenging mole, they speak about no one finding the small tin of tobacco, and they show Craig kicking the sand. Without the narration about the tobacco, it was a throwaway flash of film. Why show that? Was he possibly covering something? When they do the final clue recap, they can now show Craig hiding the tobacco by kicking it under the sand. But if they never showed that scene in Ep 1, they can't go back to it. We have to ask ourselves, was including that short, throwaway scene something that seems like it should have been included? If Craig is the mole, it needs to be shown. But if he's not the mole, was there any reason to use it? |
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AlwaysAwesomeAdam |
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Guys, I don't think Mark placed the Jeans on the table with the purpose of saying the dude wore jeans. I just think the jeans were placed as a form of
"pants". I mean look at all the clues the team had. In a nutshell I really don't think the jeans was a bad call especially if he meant it as some
form of cloth pants.
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Will |
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Did Bobby get a single confessional? I would think this would be telling.
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DikkeControleur |
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Neeroo wrote: I've talked to 3 Dutch moles, and the producers of the Dutch mole series. From that it became clear that the mole knows all. At least what is going to
happen upfront (all missions, locations, other players profiles, exceptions to be earned etc). The mole has a strategy prepared for the whole series/missions
when he/she gets into that plane. This way he/she can focus on playing 'natural' and hidden, without thinking about what and how to sabotage.
PS.PS. 'The Editors know all'-theory is a valid one. The problem with that is that it's very speculative. The only facts are what they allow us to see (the show). The rest is speculation (Like thinking Craig kicks sand to hide the tobaccobox, which could be true. The first part is a fact (kicking sand), the second part is not). Result is that this theory can point to all players. |
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I LUV TIJUANA |
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What about the fact that Kristen's results were clearly revealed before Ali's (via the green around her picture on the screen). Why on earth would they
not show that? Weird.
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