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kitty white		#3761	[-]
Posts: 6775 (05/16/08 12:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I liked parts, I hated other parts. If this truly is the last of toby, the show will be slightly worse because of it. But Amy Ryan did a good job and her character has some great potential (until they make her some one-joke wacko who behaves unrealistically.) It's about time they found an appropriate use for Kevin. "Is that clip of Ryan getting arrested really on YouTube?" As of about 5 minutes ago, unfortunately not "No office party is going to feature a working ferris wheel, much less a party put together the day of." Didn't want to be the one to point it out, but that TOTALLY irritated me. Especially in a Scranton, PA office with less than 20 people. "But why not introduce her character with a touch of patience, rather than establishing right away that she's just perfect for Michael, the way that male/female best friends are just perfect for each other (though they don't realize it!) in every romantic comedy since 1980. The whoe thing just really seemed rushed for no reason. Why not establish her as a character that Michael realizes he has some interest in right away, but doesn't necessarily start stalking. This is true, but I wrote it off to perhaps the lingering effects of the writer strike, and the fact that in general my standards have lowered so much for this show that I just expect them to do everything in a super accelerated, over exaggerated way (instead of pacing it out and letting stories develop more.) Neither is a good excuse, but I suppose as a viewer they've worn me down. "The Office UK is my all-time favorite show, so I'll probably keep watching long after I should just quit. But it's really quite sad that The Office US has become such a bloated mess." So true. I can't even allow myself to associate this show with the original source. I would love to know what Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant really think about the current US version of the show, I mean what they would say behind closed doors, because I can't imagine they're really that thrilled on an artistic level. I kind of feel like the US version of the show is something neither of them would watch, and some aspects of it even remind me of the worst bits of "When the Whistle Blows" from "Extras." Last Edited By: kitty white 05/16/08 12:43 AM. Edited 3 times.
Antithesys		#3762	[-]
Posts: 22071 (05/16/08 12:53 AM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	anti is so such a pb&j shipper And proud of it. Just like Niles and Daphne but with a more realistic personal touch. I've been in Jim's shoes all too often and Pam is just the sweetest, prettiest angel on tv, and I'd totally fall for her. So I'm glad Jim got her and I cringe any time there's even a hint of tremors in the relationship. Seinfeld did it much better though, because there were circumstances besides Kramer's weirdness that caused Mel Torme to think he was mentally challenged. It seemed really really fake to me with Kevin. He's slow talking and I hate his character, but no one would really think he's a retard, but that's how the show played it up. I know you just make up these wild rantings to get a rise out of people, but come on. Kramer's circumstances were among the more contrived of the plots of a sitcom whose only flaw was relying too much on contrivances. Kramer needed various extenuating factors to become retarded. Then he became normal, and then became retarded again at just the right moment using an entirely different set of extenuating factors. Clever, but unrealistic. No external stimuli needed to be added to Kevin to make him seem slow. The story would have worked just as well if they had removed Dwight's comments entirely. The reason is simple: Kevin is slow. He's not an idiot, but he thinks like a child. If Dwight had told Holly and then showed her random clips of Kevin from previous episodes, she would have come to the same conclusion. It was seamless, completely natural, and completely realistic. Which makes it all the more appealing, because I agree that in general The Office gets more and more unrealistic (though I don't let it bother me) even in comparison to Seinfeld.
OG sofa		#3763	[-]
Posts: 207 (05/16/08 1:11 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And proud of it. no. don't get us wrong. you always just seem so above it all, anti. its nice to know you can be simple too. we like that...
Bleebb	Kelly	#3764	[-]
Posts: 422 (05/16/08 1:28 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kelly continues to be a useless waste of time. She is not funny. She is not interesting. She is just useless. I would love to see them re-locater her somewhere around 12,000 miles away - somewhere where she has no interactions with anyone else. She is just sad and pathetic. The only value I could see her having to the show is to have a big death scene - and the sooner, the better.
pizza harold		#3765	[-]
Posts: 349 (05/16/08 1:34 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Antithesys wrote: anti is so such a pb&j shipper And proud of it. Just like Niles and Daphne but with a more realistic personal touch. I've been in Jim's shoes all too often and Pam is just the sweetest, prettiest angel on tv, and I'd totally fall for her. So I'm glad Jim got her and I cringe any time there's even a hint of tremors in the relationship. Seinfeld did it much better though, because there were circumstances besides Kramer's weirdness that caused Mel Torme to think he was mentally challenged. It seemed really really fake to me with Kevin. He's slow talking and I hate his character, but no one would really think he's a retard, but that's how the show played it up. I know you just make up these wild rantings to get a rise out of people, but come on. Kramer's circumstances were among the more contrived of the plots of a sitcom whose only flaw was relying too much on contrivances. Kramer needed various extenuating factors to become retarded. Then he became normal, and then became retarded again at just the right moment using an entirely different set of extenuating factors. Clever, but unrealistic. No external stimuli needed to be added to Kevin to make him seem slow. The story would have worked just as well if they had removed Dwight's comments entirely. The reason is simple: Kevin is slow. He's not an idiot, but he thinks like a child. If Dwight had told Holly and then showed her random clips of Kevin from previous episodes, she would have come to the same conclusion. It was seamless, completely natural, and completely realistic. Which makes it all the more appealing, because I agree that in general The Office gets more and more unrealistic (though I don't let it bother me) even in comparison to Seinfeld. i agree that the seineld episode was really contrived (they all were). I agree that Kevin has been established as a little slow (or just weird). But this is the first time he's ever been freaking retarded. It wasn't like she initially thought he was 'special,' but then realized he's not. She had several interactions with him, and still thought he was retarded. You have to admit that that just doesn't make sense. Contrived is one thing, illogical (given the established parameters of the office 'universe) is something else. It was lazy writing, IMO.
phnxflmzzz		#3766	[-]
Posts: 953 (05/16/08 2:04 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	THIS was The Office I've been waiting for all season. Perfection. A+
noigres		#3767	[-]
Posts: 253 (05/16/08 2:55 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I loved Dwight & Angela at the end. Loved Kevin's storyline. Kind of annoyed with how the Pam/Jim thing ended, but no big deal. There was no closure with Ryan, but we'll probably hear more about that next season. Does anyone else think it really IS Michael's baby? I sort of do.
Bleebb		#3768	[-]
Posts: 423 (05/16/08 2:58 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There was one line of dialogue that I can't make out and I'd really like to know is what it was. It was something that Kelly said to Angela after Andy's monologue about how long he had been carrying his engagement ring. At the end of his monologue, right after Andy said, "It was right!", Kelly walked up to Angela and Andy (who were sitting together by that time) and she said something to Angela that sounded to me like she was asking Angela for permission to have something that belonged to Angela - maybe something like, "Can I have your X?" At any rate, if anyone heard what Kelly said, I'd really appreciate if you could post it here to let me know. Thank you. Last Edited By: Bleebb 05/16/08 3:02 AM. Edited 2 times.
noigres		#3769	[-]
Posts: 255 (05/16/08 3:01 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ I think she asked "Can I be a bridesmaid?"
Bleebb		#3770	[-]
Posts: 424 (05/16/08 3:03 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Aha! Thank you very much noigres. I just replayed it and I'm certain you are exactly right. Thanks very much. It was driving me crazy.
Lovejonze		#3771	[-]
Posts: 5699 (05/16/08 4:34 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I really thought the father of Jan's baby was going to be Hunter. I can see why Jim didn't propose, but I don't think Pam would have minded if he did. I loved mentally challenged Kevin. Michael was excellent last night. I loved his idea of an exit interview.
TimmyTAR		#3772	[-]
Posts: 322 (05/16/08 5:06 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I thought this episode was fantastic, and while I would agree with the fact that it's becoming really unrealistic, the show is still funny in my book. I laughed at all the right moments, screamed at all right moments, and gasped at all the right moments. I now take back my comment on having Ed Helms in the opening credits and replace him with Angela Kinsey. Him proposing right before Jim does pissed me off, but it all changed when Angela was caught having an affair with Phyllis. :) Is Pam going to go to the school in New York during the summer, or will she be absent for a bit in the first few episodes of Season Five? (Probably too soon to ask since it's about four months of waiting. Sigh.) Amy Ryan was fantastic as Holly Flax in this episode! When she talked back to Michael with a Yoda impersonation, I flipped out. He needs to be with Holly, not Jan. The "Qua...Qua..." thing Creed did was hilarious! XD I thought everyone was on their A-game this episode. Retarded Kevin, Toby finally leaving and getting his picture with Pam, Phyllis having a "running high" right before discovering Dwight and Angela's affair. I can't wait until next season.
CoconutPhone		#3773	[-]
Posts: 13344 (05/16/08 5:22 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"What do you do here?" "I work on the numbers." I agree that it required n stretching or change at all for Kevin's plot to work. His wave to her from his car was also perfect. Pam asking the producer if Jim was proposing was cute. I like those moments.
Delores Mulva		#3774	[-]
Posts: 323 (05/16/08 5:42 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Pizza Harold said: It seemed really really fake to me with Kevin. He's slow talking and I hate his character, but no one would really think he's a retard, but that's how the show played it up. The HR person was told he was retarded, so she interpreted his actions based on her trust of Dwight and not wanting to appear insensitive. Kevin, thinking she was being extra nice for a reason, started doing that dopey-nice thing guys do when they like somebody, and it got a lot easier to see him as retarded. Not only was it great for how it played off Kevin's charcter, it was also a brilliant prank for Dwight to play. Kevin going after the HR lady was also a nice play on the main theme of the show, not waiting too long. Besides, I nearly killed myself laughing at, "This is a button," so it had to be good! Pizza Harold said: I didn't like the HR girl role at all, either. Once again, it's a matter of subtlety. Evidently they want to create some tension between Jan (who is not having Michael's baby, which was pretty funny) and a sane, likeable female character who seems perfect for Michael. But why not introduce her character with a touch of patience, rather than establishing right away that she's just perfect for Michael The big theme tonight was "not waiting too long". Michael had a perfect person right in front of him, and he chickened out and went with the sure thing that makes him miserable. Jim chickened out and didn't propose to Pam anyways, which has her wondering if he really intends to do so. Since she's leaving for three months (I told you folks she would), this doubt could seriously threaten the relationship. I took her line about Toby being cute not as her expressing doubts about Jim, but rather showing that Toby also waited too long. He could have had Pam if he'd acted at the right time, but he chickened out and now he's off to Costa Rica alone. Dwight was the final "waited too long" person. He knew that Angela still had feelings for him ("oh D"), but he didn't act and Andy did. Now he's trying to make up for it and win her back. Given that theme, I think it was reasonable that the intro on the HR lady was rushed. It fit the theme, it fit Michael's character (remember him rushing into the relationship with his realtor, or falling for the chair model), and it established the HR lady character quickly. I would have been more disappointed if Michael didn't rush to judgement on her, since careful consideration is not part of his character at all. noigres said: Does anyone else think it really IS Michael's baby? I sort of do. I doubt it. He still has the vasectomy. Besides, having it really be his baby or having him think it might be completely changes his motivation for going back to Jan. He's not doing this because it's the right thing, which it would be if it was his child. He's doing it despite it being the wrong thing, because he's desperate to be loved and terrified of things failing with HR girl. Remember that line that was something like, "I'm beginning to think you can have sex or a family, but you can't have both"? He chose the one where he'd be loved the most.
Glebe220		#3775	[-]
Posts: 2421 (05/16/08 6:37 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"I can't believe you cheated on me after I specifically asked you not to"
BeaKiddo		#3776	[-]
Posts: 1761 (05/16/08 6:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BEST. EPISODE.EVAH! The exit interview! ::whispers:: I will kill you ::whispers:: Phyllis knocking Angela's books off desk! Not to mention Bob Vance.. HOLLY <3! I peed myself when she started talking Yoda speak! Jim talking Michael down from professing his love for Holly.. Dwight/Angela's hot steamy lovemaking! The fall of Ryan! It made me so uncomfortable the way he talked to Jim... loved it! Creed! The best was Retarded Kevin! I couldn't stop laughing. This episode had it all....... My husband STILL doesn't "get" this show. He hates it. NEVER laughs. How are we married?? Seriously...
BJ		#3777	[-]
Posts: 5798 (05/16/08 7:22 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This was one of the best eps this season. Loved the exit interview, Kevin, and Jan's considering Michael's sperm not good enough.
Kayleekat3		#3778	[-]
Posts: 716 (05/16/08 7:26 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Being married to a star wars nerd and also giving birth to one, I loved the Yoda. Now I see why the HR person was nominated for an Oscar for Gone Baby Gone. She is so different than she was in the movie.
rugslug		#3779	[-]
Posts: 6464 (05/16/08 7:27 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I always like the little background things like Andy taking the mic over to Angela to propose and knocking over the keyboard. You can hear Darryl cursing in the background. One of the best episodes ever!
dolphinschick		#3780	[-]
Posts: 632 (05/16/08 7:30 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I haven't laughed so much since season 2. The slow Kevin bit was perfect. But the Jim not proposing thing is killing me. My husband did something very similar. I knew he bought a ring and we had always talked about getting married on a specific day, so as that day approached we kept making plans and everytime he started to actually propose he would be thwarted in some way. I realize he was trying to make it somewhat surprising, but in the end he finally proposed the night before we were married. Even 8 years later, it still bothers/hurts me a little that he waited so long. Which is what I think Pam will end up feeling, it sorta plants seeds of doubt.

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