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Relynn		#4281	[-]
Posts: 505 (05/05/08 9:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think Natalie is the best player of the Fans myself. Even if I don't care for what I've seen of her. Can I say something.. I think Paravti is controlling the tribe, and I know everyone says that she deserves to win. But honestly, if your end game plan is to make promises to everyone on the jury, backstab them, and then bring to the Finals two people: Cirie who is widely respected as a strategist and didn't make that many promises and is also extremely likeable with kids. And Amanda who did absolutely no backstabbing, but is also respected as a player (you saw it this episode) Then you know what for all your great plans? Your End Game Sucks! If your going to play like Brian H, and lie and backstabb everyone at least have the forethought to take someone to the finals who is more hated than you. If you don't do this then, you deserve to lose just like Rob M did..
mfrimley		#4282	[-]
Posts: 684 (05/05/08 9:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Yes, except that Parvati and Cirie were actually trying to get rid of Jason and Amanda was trying to save James. She searched every avenue, she's mournful, she hopes James lasts, etc. My recollection is that that's just what she said to James. Had she said it in a confessional, then we could take it at face value. She made those comments with the knowledge that James would soon be on the jury and she'll be counting on his vote if she makes the final 3. It was in her best interests for James to think she had made some effort on his behalf and he could trust her. If she had some kind of irrational loyalty to James, she would have voted for Parvati like he asked.
AnomyBC		#4283	[-]
Posts: 4715 (05/05/08 9:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I gotta say, this seems a little too far fetched. The thing is that if this were to happen, the editors would have probably shown that Ozzy didn't bring the HII with him to tribal council. Or atleast shown it during the recap or something. The average viewer thinks that Ozzy had the HII with him and that he didn't play it. I think it will more simpler than that. Like Erik giving the HII to "save" one of the girls only to end up being voted out. It is kind of what Alex did in Fiji, only this time the HII holder uses it on somebody else and then he is voted out. But theoretically the rules say that once the HII is successfully played, it's no longer rehidden. Supposedly they only rehide it if it isn't used or if it's used unsuccessfully by someone who doesn't get voted for (like with Alex). So theoretically there should be no new idol on Exile Island. Hence, the only idol that could be played is Ozzy's idol. Also, your scenario wouldn't fit with what Jeff says, because he says we see the idol used in a way that we've never seen it used before. What you just suggested already happened in Fiji, so it wouldn't be anything new. And finally, in terms of most of the viewers not knowing that Ozzy's idol in still there, I don't see why the show would want them to know. It would be much more surprising and interesting if the viewers go into the episode NOT knowing that Ozzy's idol is still there---especially since I don't even think any of the players know it's still there. I think whoever finds it is going to find it accidentally, and they're going to be shocked to find out that Ozzy never took it. At that point the viewers can be shocked along with them, and that's exactly what the show would want.
WallyTroutmaster		#4284	[-]
Posts: 7 (05/05/08 9:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnomyBC wrote: Jeff Preview: "This week the idol comes into play in a completely different way. Something that has never happened before happens with the idol." I am thinking that Erik does not win Immunity, but instead he gets the HII. At TC, he uses the HII on Natalie so as to keep her safe. Only thing is that everyone else has voted for him. That would be a shocker. As I've said in some other threads, I'm going with the theory (stolen from someone on MESS), that Erik wins immunity, but one of the girls finds Ozzy's old unused HII (which is still hidden somewhere at camp because he never took it to TC) and convinces Erik that it's a new idol that one of them just found on Exile Island. Then, somehow, they convince him to give up his immunity necklace in exchange for the idol as part of some kind of plan to blindside one of the other girls. So at TC, Erik gives his immunity necklace to one of the other girls as part of the plan. Then all the girls vote for Erik and Erik votes for the girl that they're supposedly blindsiding. But when Erik plays the HII, it's revealed to be the old, no longer usable idol that Ozzy had, and Erik winds up being voted out. That scenario would fit every single thing that Jeff said. The idol would have been used in a way that it's never been used before, Erik would continue the string unbelievable blunders, and this TC would indeed be one of the most shocking of all time. And if that happens, it would also make this officially the greatest season of all time : ) Trading one immunity for the other? Hey, bitch, you have the HII, just play it and the person we vote for is out. No need to be worried. No need to try to blindside someone. No need to make a trade.
Oowatanite		#4285	[-]
Posts: 5170 (05/05/08 9:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ozzy's HII was declared null and void. That's why they rehid an idol that Jason found. When Jason did not use his idol, it was declared null and void and another was hidden that Amanda found and played. If Probst mentions another idol being played, they must have rehidden Amanda's idol for someone else to find. There are too many friggin' idols this season. It's getting ridiculous.
jacneald		#4286	[-]
Posts: 787 (05/05/08 9:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am thinking that Erik does not win Immunity, but instead he gets the HII. At TC, he uses the HII on Natalie so as to keep her safe. Only thing is that everyone else has voted for him. That would be a shocker. This is what I was saying a few pages back. One of the girls wins II and Erik gets the HII. Someone convinces him to give it up and they blindside him. I am sticking with this scenario until we see otherwise. It is the simplest way to explain it all.
Katy Carney		#4287	[-]
Posts: 1067 (05/05/08 9:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Relynn wrote: Did it occur to you that maybe Amanda wanted to keep James around because she knew the guy was loyal to her and would never vote her out unlike, Eric, Natalie, Alexis, and even it turns out Cirie. Plus, she had doubts about Parv and Cirie at this point. So if someone is going to go, it's in Amanda's best interest at that point that the person NOT be James. As for her kicking and screaming, if Amanda truly didn't want to get to the end, she wouldn't have volunteered for that immunity idol. If you watch the clip, Amanda literally hid behind Natalie so that Alexis wouldn't pick her for reward, and then she volunteered to go to Exile. The girl wouldn't have done this if she was being "dragged kicking and screaming to the end. As for the idea of her not being a schemer. We saw her scheme with Todd, we saw her scheme with the girls to get out Jason. Amanda is a strategic player. And quite frankly Amanda shouldn't be called not strategic just because she didn't vote for Ozzy. Amanda didn't have a choice in that particular vote. PARVATI AND CIRIE LIED TO HER, AND SAID THEY WERE VOTING OUT JASON. Who says that Amanda wouldn't have taken out Ozzy, she was never given that option. And probably at that poitn she would have rather taken out Jason anyways since Jason was doing better in the Immunity challenges than Ozzy, and Ozzy was absolutely loyal to her. You're talking about motivations we've never been shown, justifying her moves in ways that you wish were true with no evidence from reality. I'm talking about the actual show. I understand that you like Amanda, but there isn't any evidence to suggest she's strategic-minded in the way your multiple theories and stories claim. You could twist any players actions into some form of logic if you assign motives and feelings to them and write a story as to their thought process, but that's fanfiction. My recollection is that that's just what she said to James. Had she said it in a confessional, then we could take it at face value. She made those comments with the knowledge that James would soon be on the jury and she'll be counting on his vote if she makes the final 3. It was in her best interests for James to think she had made some effort on his behalf and he could trust her. If she had some kind of irrational loyalty to James, she would have voted for Parvati like he asked. See above. You're extrapolating, telling a story. I'm talking about the show and what we know. She hasn't been shown to be a schemer, she's been repeatedly shown being disappointed and depressed and resentful of other schemes, etc. What you're saying could be true, sure, but there's absolutely no reason to believe it is. Last Edited By: Katy Carney 05/05/08 10:02 PM. Edited 2 times.
Relynn		#4288	[-]
Posts: 507 (05/05/08 10:00 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Relynn wrote: Did it occur to you that maybe Amanda wanted to keep James around because she knew the guy was loyal to her and would never vote her out unlike, Eric, Natalie, Alexis, and even it turns out Cirie. Plus, she had doubts about Parv and Cirie at this point. So if someone is going to go, it's in Amanda's best interest at that point that the person NOT be James. As for her kicking and screaming, if Amanda truly didn't want to get to the end, she wouldn't have volunteered for that immunity idol. If you watch the clip, Amanda literally hid behind Natalie so that Alexis wouldn't pick her for reward, and then she volunteered to go to Exile. The girl wouldn't have done this if she was being "dragged kicking and screaming to the end. As for the idea of her not being a schemer. We saw her scheme with Todd, we saw her scheme with the girls to get out Jason. Amanda is a strategic player. And quite frankly Amanda shouldn't be called not strategic just because she didn't vote for Ozzy. Amanda didn't have a choice in that particular vote. PARVATI AND CIRIE LIED TO HER, AND SAID THEY WERE VOTING OUT JASON. Who says that Amanda wouldn't have taken out Ozzy, she was never given that option. And probably at that poitn she would have rather taken out Jason anyways since Jason was doing better in the Immunity challenges than Ozzy, and Ozzy was absolutely loyal to her. Your talking about motivations we've never been shown, justifying her moves in ways that you wish were true with no evidence from reality. I'm talking about the actual show. I understand that you like Amanda, but there isn't any evidence to suggest she's strategic-minded in the way your multiple theories and stories claim. You could twist any players actions into some form of logic if you assign motives and feelings to them and write a story as to their thought process, but that's fanfiction. Your the one twisting things around...Your going on and on about how Amanda's being dragged to the end, Parv's doing all the work and that Amanda would have never gotten rid of Ozzy. We don't know that. And we know that Amanda is a strategic player because we saw her strategize in China. So why would she strategize in China and not in Micronesia that's silly to suggest. And it's common sense to think that Amanda who has expressed distrust with Paravati and Cirie would not want James to go at that particular moment. Why would she want Eric to last longer than James, when James is loyal to her and Erik isn't? It's called common sense.
sunflower101		#4289	[-]
Posts: 1225 (05/05/08 10:01 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	checkinguy wrote: "The moves helped the fans. Why would they do something different? They got rid of threats and Jason was one of them. Amanda would have taken those threats to the finals and lose big if she had her way." How do you know Parvati wasn't planning on taking them to the F2 or F3? Amanda finding the HII stopped that. There is a reason for her wanting to keep Nat over Alexis even though they probably would have been able to boot Alexis anytime because of her knee making it unlikely she would win any ICs. Parvati was probably hoping they would take out Amanda for her like Parvati did for Amanda when Ozzy was booted. The point is Amanda has no back up plan except immunity and that is why she is not a good player. Cirie and Parvati do. I think they want the F3 of C/N/P. If Amanda keeps winning immunity then they go with her, not as good but at least their chances of getting to the finals are good either way. At least I would hope so especially after the last TC. Amanda is just a vote and back up plan for C/P. Yes but they might have wanted to keep Amanda around longer for numbers. I think that is part of the reason she helped her find the idol. I think Parvati realized it was stupid to take a chance of Erik/Natalie/Alexis teaming up and voting out Parvati/Cire.
AnomyBC		#4290	[-]
Posts: 4716 (05/05/08 10:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think Natalie is the best player of the Fans myself. Even if I don't care for what I've seen of her. Can I say something.. I think Paravti is controlling the tribe, and I know everyone says that she deserves to win. But honestly, if your end game plan is to make promises to everyone on the jury, backstab them, and then bring to the Finals two people: Cirie who is widely respected as a strategist and didn't make that many promises and is also extremely likeable with kids. And Amanda who did absolutely no backstabbing, but is also respected as a player (you saw it this episode) Then you know what for all your great plans? Your End Game Sucks! If your going to play like Brian H, and lie and backstabb everyone at least have the forethought to take someone to the finals who is more hated than you. If you don't do this then, you deserve to lose just like Rob M did.. Well it would have been a very tight vote no matter who she took and I can definitely see what she might want it to be her, Amanda and Cirie in the Finals. I think she figures she gets votes from Catalie, Alexis and Jason that way, and that might be all she needs if it's a 3-2-2 vote. And then even if she does need another vote, that's a great a base to start from. Also, I don't think Cirie will necessary be as big of a jury threat with this particular jury as we would have imagined. I think most of them will split their votes between Parvati and Amanda. And in terms of Amanda, Parvati may not even have a choice, because Amanda may win the final immunity. In any case, I think she wins.... so her end game couldn't have been that bad : )
Relynn		#4291	[-]
Posts: 508 (05/05/08 10:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnomyBC wrote: I think Natalie is the best player of the Fans myself. Even if I don't care for what I've seen of her. Can I say something.. I think Paravti is controlling the tribe, and I know everyone says that she deserves to win. But honestly, if your end game plan is to make promises to everyone on the jury, backstab them, and then bring to the Finals two people: Cirie who is widely respected as a strategist and didn't make that many promises and is also extremely likeable with kids. And Amanda who did absolutely no backstabbing, but is also respected as a player (you saw it this episode) Then you know what for all your great plans? Your End Game Sucks! If your going to play like Brian H, and lie and backstabb everyone at least have the forethought to take someone to the finals who is more hated than you. If you don't do this then, you deserve to lose just like Rob M did.. Well it would have been a very tight vote no matter who she took and I can definitely see what she might want it to be her, Amanda and Cirie in the Finals. I think she figures she gets votes from Catalie, Alexis and Jason that way, and that might be all she needs if it's a 3-2-2 vote. And then even if she does need another vote, that's a great a base to start from. Also, I don't think Cirie will necessary be as big of a jury threat with this particular jury as we would have imagined. I think most of them will split their votes between Parvati and Amanda. And in terms of Amanda, Parvati may not even have a choice, because Amanda may win the final immunity. In any case, I think she wins.... so her end game couldn't have been that bad : ) Ozzy said that Cirie is the one person he wouldn't want to go up against in the end, because Cirie was "one loved person." Other people like Jason have expressed the fact that they loved Cirie. Plus, Cirie made a lot less promises. If Ozzy, is afraid to face Cirie at the end, I'm not sure why Parvati would seriously want to. I'm not sure how Paravati can feel that she can count on Alexis/Natalie's votes after she screwed them over. Even Paravati said that all of her alliances promises major problems from her at the end game. A lot of times people are a lot more angry when they think it's their friend. Also Alexis for example has expressed the fact that she likes Amanda too, and it seems like Natalie does as well. So if it comes down to a choice between 1. The friend who made no promises and voted you out. 2. The friend who stabbed you in the back. There's a good chance the money goes to the friend who didn't break the promise..
Katy Carney		#4292	[-]
Posts: 1068 (05/05/08 10:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Relynn wrote: Your the one twisting things around...Your going on and on about how Amanda's being dragged to the end, Parv's doing all the work and that Amanda would have never gotten rid of Ozzy. We don't know that. And we know that Amanda is a strategic player because we saw her strategize in China. So why would she strategize in China and not in Micronesia that's silly to suggest. And it's common sense to think that Amanda who has expressed distrust with Paravati and Cirie would not want James to go at that particular moment. Why would she want Eric to last longer than James, when James is loyal to her and Erik isn't? It's called common sense. Parvati is doing all the work. You're saying "maybe Amanda would have voted out Ozzy" and "maybe she did want to get rid of James", etc. Maybe. Maybe Natalie's brilliant plan was to backstab Alexis and maybe Erik was secretly plotting against Ozzy and is a strategic genius. That's a story. What actually happened, though, what we know, is that Parvati and Cirie have played the game contrary to Amanda's wishes while Amanda has benefitted. They have actually done things. While Amanda has maybe thought about doing something at some point maybe. That difference is the reason that Parvati and Cirie should win and Amanda shouldn't, in my opinion. If you feel she should win because she was SO ineffectual the entire game that she didn't piss anyone off because you actually have to beat someone in order for them to be a sore loser, then that's your opinion. For me, just being the leftover person sitting at the end that did nothing and thus hurt no one is not interesting or worthy of praise. Last Edited By: Katy Carney 05/05/08 10:11 PM. Edited 1 times.
mfrimley		#4293	[-]
Posts: 685 (05/05/08 10:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: See above. You're extrapolating, telling a story. I'm talking about the show and what we know. She hasn't been shown to be a schemer, she's been repeatedly shown being disappointed and depressed and resentful of other schemes, etc. What you're saying could be true, sure, but there's absolutely no reason to believe it is. How about the fact that she was sucking up to the same guy she made a fool of in China? How about the ruse she pulled off to lull Alexis and Natalie into a false sense of security so they wouldn't suspect she had the idol? This notion that she's incapable of beguiling anyone and everything that comes out of her mouth is sincere and accurately reflects her intentions is nonsense. It has nothing to do with what we know or don't know, we're just interpreting the same information differently according to our biases.
Relynn		#4294	[-]
Posts: 509 (05/05/08 10:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Relynn wrote: Your the one twisting things around...Your going on and on about how Amanda's being dragged to the end, Parv's doing all the work and that Amanda would have never gotten rid of Ozzy. We don't know that. And we know that Amanda is a strategic player because we saw her strategize in China. So why would she strategize in China and not in Micronesia that's silly to suggest. And it's common sense to think that Amanda who has expressed distrust with Paravati and Cirie would not want James to go at that particular moment. Why would she want Eric to last longer than James, when James is loyal to her and Erik isn't? It's called common sense. Parvati is doing all the work. You're saying "maybe Amanda would have voted out Ozzy" and "maybe she did want to get rid of James", etc. Maybe. Maybe Natalie's brilliant plan was to backstab Alexis and maybe Erik was secretly plotting against Ozzy and is a strategic genius. That's a story. What actually happened, though, what we know, is that Parvati and Cirie have played the game contrary to Amanda's wishes while Amanda has benefitted. They have actually done things. While Amanda has maybe thought about doing something at some point maybe. Sure because we all know that Parv found the hidden Immunity Idol for Amanda. Parv was the one who helped Amanda/Cirie survive after the tribal switch too...Please. And hey Amanda didn't want Jason out, it was only Parvati who wanted Jason gone. Nor, did Amanda at all help Parvati bring over Cirie, when Parvati's butt was on the line.. And well so what if in James' interviews, it was Amanda who encouraged James to grow closer to Parvati. (which helped Paravati maket he deal with Alexis/Natalie.) Because we all know that because Parvati voted out Ozzy and Amanda didn't, that means that only Parvarti was playing the game.
Katy Carney		#4295	[-]
Posts: 1070 (05/05/08 10:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mfrimley wrote: Katy Carney wrote: See above. You're extrapolating, telling a story. I'm talking about the show and what we know. She hasn't been shown to be a schemer, she's been repeatedly shown being disappointed and depressed and resentful of other schemes, etc. What you're saying could be true, sure, but there's absolutely no reason to believe it is. How about the fact that she was sucking up to the same guy she made a fool of in China? How about the ruse she pulled off to lull Alexis and Natalie into a false sense of security so they wouldn't suspect she had the idol? This notion that she's incapable of beguiling anyone and everything that comes out of her mouth is sincere and accurately reflects her intentions is nonsense. It has nothing to do with what we know or don't know, we're just interpreting the same information differently according to our biases. In all of those situations the scheme was presented as a scheme. If you want to just randomly decide on a whim that she's lying at certain times to support whatever claim you want to make that's up to you, but we weren't shown anything at all the entire season to support that. Nothing to suggest she wasn't completely loyal to James or Ozzy and everything to the contrary, including her schoolgirl-ish crush. You can disregard that and imagine her to be some master manipulator working her magic on a potential juror, but that is, again, not supported by anything we were shown.
sunflower101		#4296	[-]
Posts: 1226 (05/05/08 10:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	moyanks wrote: Does anyone really don't have a chance against Ozzy at the final 3? Just thinking.. Poor Erik if he really makes the dumbest move.. Maybe so much of idolizing Ozzy, she also fell inlove with Amanda and gave the IN to Amanda at TC for a F3 deal.. Whatever that move is as long as it's Erik, it's sad... Lol How do we know it isn't Natalie he gives immunity too? Alexis is gone and now the fans have the majority in number.
roxbury123		#4297	[-]
Posts: 250 (05/05/08 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can someone please tell me why Jame's idols in China were not re-hidden?
sunflower101		#4298	[-]
Posts: 1227 (05/05/08 10:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LKMOSCAR wrote: 3. SCRATCH the Final two scenario!!!!! In the same TV guide issue, under the Survivor Finale date, they say something like: "The final reward challenge and the final Immunity challenge take place". Thank goodness! CirieOwnage all the way! I actually think there are possible scenarios that Cire/Amanda/Parvati could easily win. Cire can probably get some of the fan votes that are upset with Parvati. I think the vote might come down too, how much influence will Ozzy have in the jury of people like Erik. Jeff Probst did say in some of his comments, before the season started that Cire could do better then last time. She got 4th place last time. Getting in the final 3, and before the jury is better then last time.
urrout		#4299	[-]
Posts: 1654 (05/05/08 10:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mfrimley wrote: Katy Carney wrote: See above. You're extrapolating, telling a story. I'm talking about the show and what we know. She hasn't been shown to be a schemer, she's been repeatedly shown being disappointed and depressed and resentful of other schemes, etc. What you're saying could be true, sure, but there's absolutely no reason to believe it is. How about the fact that she was sucking up to the same guy she made a fool of in China? How about the ruse she pulled off to lull Alexis and Natalie into a false sense of security so they wouldn't suspect she had the idol? This notion that she's incapable of beguiling anyone and everything that comes out of her mouth is sincere and accurately reflects her intentions is nonsense. It has nothing to do with what we know or don't know, we're just interpreting the same information differently according to our biases. You do realize she probably had help from Cirie and Parvati with the ruse too, right?
Relynn		#4300	[-]
Posts: 510 (05/05/08 10:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	urrout wrote: mfrimley wrote: Katy Carney wrote: See above. You're extrapolating, telling a story. I'm talking about the show and what we know. She hasn't been shown to be a schemer, she's been repeatedly shown being disappointed and depressed and resentful of other schemes, etc. What you're saying could be true, sure, but there's absolutely no reason to believe it is. How about the fact that she was sucking up to the same guy she made a fool of in China? How about the ruse she pulled off to lull Alexis and Natalie into a false sense of security so they wouldn't suspect she had the idol? This notion that she's incapable of beguiling anyone and everything that comes out of her mouth is sincere and accurately reflects her intentions is nonsense. It has nothing to do with what we know or don't know, we're just interpreting the same information differently according to our biases. You do realize she probably had help from Cirie and Parvati with the ruse too, right? Sure because it was Cirie/Parv's idea for Amanda to empty out her bags and show the others she didn't have the idol. Oh wait a minute! The show stated that Amanda told Parv after she ended her bags that she knew were the idol was...

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