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GodIsAnAtheist		#3381	[-]
Posts: 3332 (04/25/08 11:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ParvatiTheShallow wrote: being medi-vaced alla bruce does not mean you are precluded from the jury. and b/c cook had 3 finalists it had the potential for a tie, 4-4-1. so the potential for a tie is what i should have said so please excuse the convolution of thought. Yes, but since it's all but explicitly been stated that it's a F2, something has to happen for that to occur, or else we would have an 8-person jury, which wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. The logical conclusion, since we pretty much know James is getting removed, is that he is also taken off the jury (probably because he'll have to have surgery and not be allowed to return).
kdo2		#3382	[-]
Posts: 547 (04/25/08 11:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Then Ozzy doesn't understand the game. Only one person can win. It's not a team sport. There's no scenario in which Parvati could try to win that doesn't include her trying to beat Ozzy or vice versa. If trying to beat Ozzy is betrayal then winning is betrayal and the only way Parvati couldnt' betray Ozzy was to let him win. When did I indicate that it was a bad move on Parvati's part? Of course I applaud her for making that move. I am saying that I don't think Ozzy is angry at any of the other players but yes his anger towards Parvati, I don't blame her. She did what it took to get far and maybe win. Last Edited By: kdo2 04/25/08 11:35 PM. Edited 1 times.
Relynn		#3383	[-]
Posts: 281 (04/25/08 11:36 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Then Ozzy doesn't understand the game. Only one person can win. It's not a team sport. There's no scenario in which Parvati could try to win that doesn't include her trying to beat Ozzy or vice versa. If beating Ozzy is betrayal then winning is betrayal and the only way Parvati couldnt' betray Ozzy was to let him win. Apparently, Ozzy and Pavarti were very close outside of the game. Jason said that Ozzy/Pavarti were best friends outside of the game. Ozzy and Pavarti lived near each other etc. Ozzy also did save Pavarti earlier in the game. So in those circumstances, Ozzy's feelings about being blindsided by Pavarti are understandable. I can bring up Lex, for all of Lex's issues, Lex was honest with Ethan very early on in the game that he would not allign with Ethan. (Now, I don't get why Lex didn't allign with Ethan, Lex would have lasted longer with Ethan alliance) but the point is that Lex didn't make promises or take advantage of his outside game relationship with Ethan. One could argue that considering how close Pavarti/Ozzy were that Pavarti perhaps would have been better off never making promises to Ozzy in the first place... While a part of me definetly though thinks that it's a game and grew up. Remember how nasty Pavarti was to Jonathon. How Jonathon was a failure as a human being etc. And it's not like Jonathon and Pavarti were best friends. One could argue based on past history, that Pavarti would have reacted much worse if Ozzy had betrayed her.
Kirblar		#3384	[-]
Posts: 6177 (04/25/08 11:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	With the bootsheet having James as a medivac and Erik/Nat/Alexis as the next 3 boots (I suspect Natalie may end up leaving in 6th place due to her edit.) Which pretty much gives us one question- does James make the jury or not. If he does, we likely have a Cirie win. If not, all bets are off.
FranklinBluth		#3385	[-]
Posts: 1538 (04/25/08 11:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just don't see how James can NOT make the jury because of his finger injury. Then again, that might be why they spotlighted it this past episode already. Because that's why Cirie loses?
GodIsAnAtheist		#3386	[-]
Posts: 3333 (04/25/08 11:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	FranklinBluth wrote: I just don't see how James can NOT make the jury because of his finger injury. Then again, that might be why they spotlighted it this past episode already. Because that's why Cirie loses? If he had to get surgery to prevent infection ala Jonathan (who apparently was in the hospital for 2 weeks after getting removed himself), he wouldn't be medically cleared to do shit only what? 6 days later or something like that?
moyanks		#3387	[-]
Posts: 50 (04/26/08 12:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Some talks of Cirie may decide who won between Parv and Amanda at the reunion, that may be the twist. Besides we can have two winners of a million dollars but how about the title? Kidn As far as Ozzy being a cry baby, he could act like that. Put yourself in his place minus his ego. Because the primary reason he is acting like that is his ego, the second is being voted out like that. Imagine yourself having a "bestfriend" outside the game and protected her so many times, and she had a promise to you and then blindsides you? It's understandable. Lex's thing with Ethan at the ASS is great, but how he acted like a crybaby at the end is way over the line on his age. Hey Lex you already have kids man!. Lol
Katy Carney		#3388	[-]
Posts: 943 (04/26/08 12:21 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Relynn wrote: Katy Carney wrote: Then Ozzy doesn't understand the game. Only one person can win. It's not a team sport. There's no scenario in which Parvati could try to win that doesn't include her trying to beat Ozzy or vice versa. If beating Ozzy is betrayal then winning is betrayal and the only way Parvati couldnt' betray Ozzy was to let him win. Apparently, Ozzy and Pavarti were very close outside of the game. Jason said that Ozzy/Pavarti were best friends outside of the game. Ozzy and Pavarti lived near each other etc. Ozzy also did save Pavarti earlier in the game. So in those circumstances, Ozzy's feelings about being blindsided by Pavarti are understandable. I can bring up Lex, for all of Lex's issues, Lex was honest with Ethan very early on in the game that he would not allign with Ethan. (Now, I don't get why Lex didn't allign with Ethan, Lex would have lasted longer with Ethan alliance) but the point is that Lex didn't make promises or take advantage of his outside game relationship with Ethan. All of that is beside the point. Friendship or not, only ONE person can win the game. It's not as if Parvati decided that she wanted to win solo as opposed to winning as a pair. All she did to Ozzy was beat him. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. What you're saying is that Parvati beat Ozzy even though they were friends and...yes. Of course. Duh. Ozzy wanted to win over Parvati too. It's the point of the game. To win.
Relynn		#3389	[-]
Posts: 283 (04/26/08 12:27 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Relynn wrote: Katy Carney wrote: Then Ozzy doesn't understand the game. Only one person can win. It's not a team sport. There's no scenario in which Parvati could try to win that doesn't include her trying to beat Ozzy or vice versa. If beating Ozzy is betrayal then winning is betrayal and the only way Parvati couldnt' betray Ozzy was to let him win. Apparently, Ozzy and Pavarti were very close outside of the game. Jason said that Ozzy/Pavarti were best friends outside of the game. Ozzy and Pavarti lived near each other etc. Ozzy also did save Pavarti earlier in the game. So in those circumstances, Ozzy's feelings about being blindsided by Pavarti are understandable. I can bring up Lex, for all of Lex's issues, Lex was honest with Ethan very early on in the game that he would not allign with Ethan. (Now, I don't get why Lex didn't allign with Ethan, Lex would have lasted longer with Ethan alliance) but the point is that Lex didn't make promises or take advantage of his outside game relationship with Ethan. All of that is beside the point. Friendship or not, only ONE person can win the game. It's not as if Parvati decided that she wanted to win solo as opposed to winning as a pair. All she did to Ozzy was beat him. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. What you're saying is that Parvati beat Ozzy even though they were friends and...yes. Of course. Duh. Ozzy wanted to win over Parvati too. It's the point of the game. To win. I realize that, but who says that Pavarti wasn't using Ozzy's and her friendship to get her further in the game earlier. I mean as she mentioned that friendship saved her. So the point is if you use an "outside of the game friendship" to help you out in the game, things can backfire on you later. That's why while I think Lex's bitterness sucked, you have to give Lex credit for being honest with Ethan about where he stood. Lex didn't make promises to Ethan and then break them later. You can ask Ozzy, but perhaps for Ozzy it would have been different if Pavarti had been honest with him. Perhaps if Pavarti had told Ozzy I'll align with you till merge.. Or if Pavarti had joined with the other Favorites and was honest with Ozzy about it then. Perhaps, Ozzy would have understood. He might have been like, while I don't like you not aligning with you, I understand your point about not really wanting to beat you in the end. Even Katie in Palau was honest with Ian about how she wasn't sure about aligning with him because she couldn't beat him at the end. If Pavarti had expressed this at all to Ozzy, perhaps he'd feel differently. But if instead, Pavarti was all like hey Ozzy were really good friends, you know you can trust me because we are really good friends and then backstabbed Ozzy. Then, I think in that sense, Ozzy does have legitimate reasons to be angry with Pavarti. I guess the point is Ozzy may feel that Pavarti used their outside of the game friendship, capatalized on his personal trust of her, only to betray him later. Than, I think he has a right to be angry because Pavarti used that previous relationship in such a way. I think it's really hard when your playing with people your close friends with. (And yes, for a million dollars). Last Edited By: Relynn 04/26/08 12:29 AM. Edited 1 times.
survivorready		#3390	[-]
Posts: 165 (04/26/08 12:37 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am Ok with Ozzy being a little pissed off during the game. But, I just hope he doesn't get his feelings in the way when it comes to voting for the winner. According to his interviews, Ozzy is going to rip Parvati at the final TC (can't believe history is going to repeat itself (Lex)). But he is still pissed off after months since filming ending. That is what is bugging me the most. During one of his interviews, Ozzy seemed so pissed of that he was only giving one word answers. Like someone said earlier, there can be only one winner. Ozzy very well knows that if he were to be in the final five, he would use his idol, he would get into the final 4. Then he will most probably win the final endurance challenge. Ozzy thought that he had it all planned out and he was a bit over confident. It isn't just about his friend betraying him. It is his ego. It is the fact that people will watch him NOT play the HII. It is about how he will be embarassed in front of America. This was exactly what happened with Lex. And also I am pretty sure that Ozzy is a bit mad at Amanda for not telling him about the four girl alliance that she had.
Relynn		#3391	[-]
Posts: 284 (04/26/08 12:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	survivorready wrote: I am Ok with Ozzy being a little pissed off during the game. But, I just hope he doesn't get his feelings in the way when it comes to voting for the winner. According to his interviews, Ozzy is going to rip Parvati at the final TC (can't believe history is going to repeat itself (Lex)). But he is still pissed off after months since filming ending. That is what is bugging me the most. During one of his interviews, Ozzy seemed so pissed of that he was only giving one word answers. Like someone said earlier, there can be only one winner. Ozzy very well knows that if he were to be in the final five, he would use his idol, he would get into the final 4. Then he will most probably win the final endurance challenge. Ozzy thought that he had it all planned out and he was a bit over confident. It isn't just about his friend betraying him. It is his ego. It is the fact that people will watch him NOT play the HII. It is about how he will be embarassed in front of America. This was exactly what happened with Lex. And also I am pretty sure that Ozzy is a bit mad at Amanda for not telling him about the four girl alliance that she had. I don't have an issue with someone saying you know what: You lied to me multiple times... It cost me the game, now it costs you the game. Period. But then, I think you should really be like okay we are even. You lose a million dollars, I lost a million dollars who cares. I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy isn't mad at Amanda for not telling him all about the girls alliances. I think not telling him about Pavarti's double dealings suggest that Amanda's real loyalties weren't to Ozzy... Someone on Sucks said that Amanda/Ozzy are no more. And given his interviews and the little he says about Amanda, I think there's a good that they won't be lasting long.. Personally I think Amanda can do better than someone like Ozzy. (I know they are just friends but I loved her interaction with James...More so than any of her interactions with Ozzy....) I think it might have been hard for Amanda to vote out James again. Last Edited By: Relynn 04/26/08 12:56 AM. Edited 2 times.
chapera rocks		#3392	[-]
Posts: 8811 (04/26/08 12:43 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ozzy is a bitter tard because he has an extreme sense of entitlement. I think he even said at one point that "they took his shot at the million away" or some shit. Well duh, you fucker, what do you expect? I honestly don't think Parvati would have been bitter like she was towards Jonathan the first time around (lets not forget that she actually almost cried when he left), because if you listen to her pre-game interview, she's less naive and less trusting... she knows it's a game and expects everyone to feel the same way.
Katy Carney		#3393	[-]
Posts: 944 (04/26/08 12:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I guess the point is Ozzy may feel that Pavarti used their outside of the game friendship, capatalized on his personal trust of her, only to betray him later. Than, I think he has a right to be angry because Pavarti used that previous relationship in such a way. I think it's really hard when your playing with people your close friends with. (And yes, for a million dollars). Unless Ozzy was going to intentionally lose and give Parvati the money, which I don't believe, he was using her for his own agenda. I don't expect him to like to lose or to congratulate Parvati for beating him or anything, but if he's under the impression that she's a bad person because she wanted to win the money at his game-expense then he's straight up deluded and he's lying to himself about his own motivations. He wanted to win that money too, and they couldn't both have it.
IluvGoddessCirie		#3394	[-]
Posts: 193 (04/26/08 1:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is Yap the Jury house? Because in one of his interviews Jason mentions how well he Ozzy, James and Erik got on in Yap and outside of the game. So I guess that confirms what we already know? That none of the guys make it to the end?
Relynn		#3395	[-]
Posts: 285 (04/26/08 1:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	IluvGoddessCirie wrote: Is Yap the Jury house? Because in one of his interviews Jason mentions how well he Ozzy, James and Erik got on in Yap and outside of the game. So I guess that confirms what we already know? That none of the guys make it to the end? I think he was talking about him, Erik, Amanda, and Ozzy at Yap. He mentioned that he and Amanda got along really well in the game. (But I still think it sounds like he votes for Pavarti) but who knows. A lot can happen. According to Jason the LA girls were Natalie and Pavarti who talked about the people they knew constantly in LA. I guess (not Amanda)
chsdz		#3396	[-]
Posts: 1 (04/26/08 1:30 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't understand why the girls were to open about their plan to blindside Jason, even in front of Erik and James. James and Erik should have told Jason of the girls' plans. Then the three men could have voted for parvati (or whoever else) and alexis and natalie could have voted for james (thinking Jason was a vote for james as well, they would have thought they had 3 votes for James but only would have had 2 in actual fact) and the other three girls would have voted for Jason. So if Jason played the idol, which James and Erik would have told him to, they would have managed to get rid of one of the girls! Its amazing how laid back and dumb the guys remaining on the tribe were. James just let himself go with the flow and hoped beyond hope that Jason wouldn't play the idol.. dumbbb.
Relynn		#3397	[-]
Posts: 286 (04/26/08 1:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chsdz wrote: I don't understand why the girls were to open about their plan to blindside Jason, even in front of Erik and James. James and Erik should have told Jason of the girls' plans. Then the three men could have voted for parvati (or whoever else) and alexis and natalie could have voted for james (thinking Jason was a vote for james as well, they would have thought they had 3 votes for James but only would have had 2 in actual fact) and the other three girls would have voted for Jason. So if Jason played the idol, which James and Erik would have told him to, they would have managed to get rid of one of the girls! Its amazing how laid back and dumb the guys remaining on the tribe were. James just let himself go with the flow and hoped beyond hope that Jason wouldn't play the idol.. dumbbb. I think the point is that none of the men who made the merge were particularly "bright." Maybe that's some of the reasons Cirie/Pavarti/Amanda choose to go with the men they went with. (Just a thought) Yeah, and did you notice how Amanda was like to James, I went through all the angles... when it comes to helping you out....LOL! Poor James he really is a great guy, but he doesn't really seem to get the strategic aspects of Survivor. I'm really curious about what Amanda's strategy was. Maybe her goal was to go to the end with James and Ozzy and let their admirers cancel their votes out...While claiming she was the mastermind. Because clearly James/Ozzy aren't the brightest strategic minds. Last Edited By: Relynn 04/26/08 1:44 AM. Edited 2 times.
Cassidy666		#3398	[-]
Posts: 7466 (04/26/08 1:36 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Why are people saying there's a F2 with 8 jurors?
Kirblar		#3399	[-]
Posts: 6178 (04/26/08 1:38 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The debate is really whether or not James had to be pulled completely out of the game (including Jury Duty) forcing them to put in a F3 IC to get to a jury of 7. Worst.Ending.Ever if that happens.
Relynn		#3400	[-]
Posts: 287 (04/26/08 2:24 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: The debate is really whether or not James had to be pulled completely out of the game (including Jury Duty) forcing them to put in a F3 IC to get to a jury of 7. Worst.Ending.Ever if that happens. Perhaps who knows how the votes would have gone, though. We could have easily had Amanda getting 3 votes (Erik, James, Ozzy) Cirie getting two votes, Jason and Eliza, and Pavarti getting 2 votes. (Alexis Natalie) unless Natalie/Alexis voted for Cirie.... I think Pavarti would have finished third in an Cirie/Amanda/Pavarti vote off. Because Cirie would have gotten the game play votes, Amanda would have gotten the bitter votes, and Pavarti would have been the Amanda in the Todd/Courtney/Amanda situation. I'm starting to think Pavarti may win this and if Pavarti does win, she really has had a lot of luck in the situation. 1. If Fairplay hadn't quite Pavarti would have been the first gone. Amanda would have lived another day 2. If Jonathon hadn't been injured same thing. 3. Final 3 thing This being said Pavarti has played this game well, and I can't say she's undeserving. Of course Cirie is more than deserving. And I disagree with the idea that Amanda isn't a deserving winner (as well) Amanda will have gotten to the end twice, and given what Probst said about her, she's unafraid to make moves, I think Amanda does make some moves at the end. And honestly, anyone who gets to the end twice is clearly doing something right. Amanda has yet to have a Single vote cast against her in both seasons. That's impressive playing.. Plus, she does well in the physical challenges too. Honestly, I'm not sure really who in this game is more deserving than Amanda/Pavarti/Cirie. The boys, they have played this game stupidly. Alexis/Natalie? Why are those girls trusting Pavarti when Pavarti clearly is backstabbing everyone. Alexis and Natalie were stupid not to pretend to go along with the Jason plan, while quietly telling him to play the Idol. Then James would have been out, and they could have joined with Erik and voted out the rest of the Favorites. I'm sorry but with Alexis/Natalie, its' kind of like. Well Hello! We have seen scenes on Insider where Alexis/Pavarti/Natalie talk about how whipped James is. (Which may be another example of Pavarti winning because they didn't show that on the show. Maybe though ti was for James' benefit) It's like if Pavarti will do that with James, and if she'll vote off Ozzy, someone she was clearly close with outside of the game. Why are you trusting Pavarti to take you to the end.. As for the rest of the Favorites. It's clearly their fault that they didn't make Cirie feel more comfortable with their alliance. Even if Cirie goes at the Final 3, I'm not sure how anyone can argue that her decision to allign with Pavarti/Amanda was the wrong one. Last Edited By: Relynn 04/26/08 2:29 AM. Edited 1 times.

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