It was a great episode, and I can't wait to read everyone's comments. Sorry my previous set were kind of scattered. I was imbibing
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I'm wondering if Parvati will use the opportunity at final TC to LIE and say she cast a vote to keep Ozzy. Would it be better to lie, or to claim
responsibility? Which route would garner her more votes?
It was a great episode, and I can't wait to read everyone's comments. Sorry my previous set were kind of scattered. I was imbibing |
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speedyforme |
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Posts: 7278 (04/18/08 8:31 AM) Registered user |
^ won't work, cause everyone knows she did it and everyone will tell Ozzy, it will also be brought up next episode at TC (99% of the time it does)
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dennydoylelives |
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TheLurkerSpeaks wrote:Same here. I thought they were just putting the Ozzy drama in to distract from the obvious Jason vote, and even when the second and third votes came up, I figured they were from the fangirls, keeping their word to him when they knew it wouldn't matter. When the 4th Ozzy vote came up I was "whoah! Cirie did go that way." And it really wasn't until the final vote that I knew absolutely for sure that Parvati went that way. ETA: I'm wondering if Parvati will use the opportunity at final TC to LIE and say she cast a vote to keep Ozzy. Would it be better to lie, or to claim responsibility? Which route would garner her more votes?One thing for certain, at best the lie would only mean splitting the Ozzy/Eliza votes. If she doesn't take credit for it, and somebody else does, that person will likely get Eliza's vote.
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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I've looked back at some of the other comments.
First, some people have Jason as OTT? He was clearly the most CP presence in this episode. Regardless of what we think of his decision, he was given full opportunity to explain his reasoning, and he clearly acknowledged the risk in making the move he did. I think some of these OTT votes are because people have developed preconceived notions. The CP's for Cirie do not surprise me though I disagree with them. Playing strategy, even successful strategy, should not be enough to be CP. I tend to agree with OTH's comments on her - she's not giving sufficient explanations for why she's making the moves she's making. CL says Parvati is the catalyst but Cirie wins, but I think it is the other way around. Cirie was clearly the catalyst for the boot of Ozzy (based upon the editing), but the decision is placed in Parvati's hands. That bodes better for Parvati than Cirie. Look back at Jonathan's warning. It was to Parvati to beware of Cirie (which seemed backwards based on the events of that episode). Who's the one being set up as the player to beat? Who's the one being portrayed as in danger? The answers heavily favor Parvati as the winner over Cirie. I strongly predict that Cirie will assume Ozzy's role as the player who looks to be the most likely to win until she's booted, and I think she will be booted because I don't think she'll face a jury. The physical threat has been defeated (Ozzy), the mental threat is next (Cirie), and finally the social threat in front of the jury (Alexis). I had forgotten about the finger crossing, which I agree was a negative moment for both Cirie and Alexis. In Cirie's case, it probably doesn't change her overall rating. In Alexis' case, she didn't have much else so she's probably actually UTRN. The reward scene appeared to be all fluff - it certainly didn't advance the story, especially now that Ozzy is gone. Erik's an innocent, but I think we already knew that. Looks like Erik will get the boring pagong boot where we know he's going and we just feel bad for him. No need to focus on Jason at reward since he had such a big role this episode already. Likewise, Ozzy didn't need more time (especially of a too positive nature since we were clearly meant to be glad he got booted). Amanda could have used some development, but we're probably not meant to think too positively about her either. Natalie was certainly not invisible this episode even if that was a legitimate rating. |
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Oowatanite |
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colleenlover wrote: Amanda made a play in China to boot James. She did not win. Danielle made a play in EI to boot Bobby. She did not win. My point is that just because Cirie makes a move to boot Ozzy does not mean she wins, as all of the Cirie fans have been crowing. All of the MORNs for Ozzy is VERY puzzling. He was cocky and arrogant and hypocritical and had several comments like "Jason's bad move" and "Jason was outwitted" and "one of the worse plays in Survivor history", etc. He then went out on a bad note, "hating" those who betrayed him. OTTN. I viewed the west coast feed and I have to say that Parvati doesn't get an N this episode. James was clearly in the wrong in the camp scene - as Parvati said, James was "obnoxious". Please ignore AnneZob's stupid posts. She is clearly delusional, and ignorant about Edgic practices, and has only posted here to say how "smart" she is that she "predicted" Ozzy's boot. She did not. |
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dennydoylelives |
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Oowatanite wrote:She did get a continuation of her Yul Island edit, where she, Adumb, and Candice were all in the shelter while the rest of the tribe was working, then had the audacity to complain about the working people. On YI, she complained that they wouldn't serve the food to her, on top of catching the fish, building the fire, and doing the cooking that they were shown doing. Here, while James may have been a passive aggressive bitch about it, he was keeping the fire going to keep her ass warm, and she bitches that it's interrupting her beauty sleep. The bad reflection is on both of them, not just bitchy James. |
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Oowatanite |
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dennydoylelives wrote: Even if that's true, it's still not enough to give Parvati an N tone rating this episode. Or else we'll have to give Cirie and N tone rating as well, for the finger-crossing. |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Maybe I'll change my thought on a rewatch, but Jason's full edit as buffooner tends to keep crossing ones fingers from being a devil moment. He'd
fall for anything going into this. Egging on the idiot is only truly awful when you have multiple confessionals taking about screwing him. The only one who
did was Ozzy. Not Cirie, not Alexis, not anyone else. Come on, don't overthink.
But I will rewatch this weekend if case I'm the buffoon. Michael |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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TLS said re: Parvati
The physical threat has been defeated (Ozzy), the mental threat is next (Cirie), and finally the social threat in front of the jury (Alexis). Wow. That is well reasoned. Hmmmm hmmmm hmmmm. Interesting. Michael |
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colleenlover |
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I like that -but the viewers have not been hit over the head that Cirie is brains and Alexis social. If that is a theme, Burnett makes it obvious.
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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If anything, we've already seen the physical and mental eliminated over the past two episodes, according to that last tribal council, which leaves Parvati
as the social.
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dennydoylelives |
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True, Eliza was specifically mentioned as a mental threat at the last TC. Alexis was described as a triple threat.
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Jacare15 |
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She did get a continuation of her Yul Island edit, where she, Adumb, and Candice were all in the shelter while the rest of the tribe was working, then had the audacity to complain about the working people. On YI, she complained that they wouldn't serve the food to her, on top of catching the fish, building the fire, and doing the cooking that they were shown doing. Here, while James may have been a passive aggressive bitch about it, he was keeping the fire going to keep her ass warm, and she bitches that it's interrupting her beauty sleep. The bad reflection is on both of them, not just bitchy James.I'd say it was negative if it wasn't the first scene shown after the Reward Challenge. When you lose the challenge, IMO, you expect people to be gloomy, etc. To me, the scene came off as James being pissed he lost out on the reward and taking it out on the sleeping girls. If anyone started hitting things and making loud noises while you were sleeping you wouldn't say anything? Haha. |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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Just like the "payback is hell" line was clearly designed to come back to bite Sandra in S7? In the end, it proved ironic as she was the one who
benefited from everyone else's payback. The editors love these kind of themes, but they don't always spell it out that obviously. Sure, they show
Eliza as the mental threat since she's on the block, but that doesn't mean that Cirie isn't the true mental threat of the game, and the flip of
Alexis as the social threat Parvati needs to worry about isn't that big of a stretch from those jury comments.
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gretchensucks |
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I think too much is being made about the "threat" stuff. I think that was only shown to (1) send Eliza off with respect and (2) show Alexis f-k up
and refer to Eliza in the past tense and not even realize it. It was also intended to show that Cirie is aware of Alexis in the game.
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scepticA |
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Several people have used the term "catalyst" to describe Cirie's role in the elimination of Ozzy - yet see this somehow as a bad thing for her. Let's be clear. They showed the EI stuff for a reason, aside from not letting us forget her. They showed the moment where the Ozzy Offing started - with Cirie. Then the real work began of herding all the Jason votes. Again, this was Cirie. Then the need to contain it, by not telling Amanda. Then we saw (albeit briefly) the fact that the swing vote was Parvati. She admitted that doing so would screw up her relationship with her squeeze (a relationship already shown to be on the outs with the whole noise-whilst-sleeping thing), and her BFF. But she went with Cirie. So yeah, Parv was pivotal in the outcome, but not pivotal in the plotting. And now the "catalyst" - so right you are! A catalyst is 1) A substance, usually used in small amounts relative to the reactants, that modifies and increases the rate of a reaction without being consumed in the process, and/or
2. One that precipitates a process or event, especially without being involved in or changed by the consequences
Cirie increased rate of the reactions. She precipitated the events. And she wasn't consumed in the process. A catalyst emerges unscathed. She got Oz out. Parv was like the last ingredient, the oxidizer, or maybe the lit match held to the fuse that makes the dynamite go boom. But Cirie made the dynamite. Cirie gave Parv the match. And this is somehow bad for Cirie... |
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nikkidj |
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Sorry I haven't been around much. We just moved, and our internet has been out. I feel like a slacker since I haven't been doing my Jason watchdog
reports, but I think all of you have been on the ball with him. I've only been able to watch once, and I'd like to watch again, but in case I
don't get to, I'm giving Jason a CPM3. CP because we got in his head, Mixed because, despite being the plucky underdog, he made some pretty cocky
comments about beating Ozzy and being "like God." I can't remember what Warrior's chart gave him for visibility, but I t hink he was closer
to 4 than to 2.
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AllMenAreIslands |
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TheLurkerSpeaks wrote: I'm going to rewatch, but I think you are right, TLS. Jason was indeed shown weighing up the options and that has become one of the key parts of a CP edit for the episode. I will change my view on that one, for sure. |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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scepticA wrote: I'm not disagreeing with anything you say here, sceptic, but I'm obviously drawing a different conclusion. The winner generally gets doubt and is
shown to be at risk of blowing up their game, in one fashion or another. Cirie, as you say, emerges from this last vote unscathed, something that we see from
the previews is not true for Parvati. Using the elements of Edgic, yes, that is better for Parvati's edit in the long run.
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Dictatorship |
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I am shocked at a few ratings for Natalie. She was CLEARLY a 1 visibility this episode. Her one semi-memorable scene was being the first person to
"guarantee" the vote, but she has NOTHING else. I personally think she was UTR1, but this late in the season, I can see that being considered INV,
but MOR??? CP?????? WTF
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