BlakeB717 wrote:
A few questions;
-What are Edgies?
The Edgic version of the Oscars, only with more talented non-union writers. Here's an example of the last time we did them, starting a little over half way down the page.
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dennydoylelives |
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BlakeB717 wrote: The Edgic version of the Oscars, only with more talented non-union writers. Here's an example of the last time we did them, starting a little over half way down the page. |
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wallduck wrote: That was my main issue with the Amanda supporters, but since I was spoiled I couldn't really talk too much in here. :)
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6. In PastorDice's one stinkin post in this whole thread he picked Todd. Man, he's good. At that point I had been spoiled and thought "I guess Dice didn't get it right this time..."Thanks chap :) But the truth is it has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the system that KQ put in place (ask OTH, he apparently saw it too). What's cool is that watching the show without checking in here that often clarified edgic for me in a solid way. Some thoughts: - This season represents another blown chance for edgic to show why it's more fun than boot spoilers. I'm not saying you couldn't stretch edgic to fit Amanda, but having not been privy to the day to day here, it's hard for me to see how she wins an edgic argument over Todd (of even PG for that matter). To me it's Chris all over again, the edgic screams one player, spoilers say differently and somehow edgic gravitates toward the spoilers, sigh. - Edgic is strongest pre merge. Strong editing is about planting a seed and letting it grow, and therefore much of the heavy lifting is done early. The stories are all set up and the sleight of hand is already underway. Post merge is all about resolution and anything we learn then should point back to something we already knew. Todd joins Yul, Aras, and Earl in the "it's all there in the first episode" club. Which brings me to... - The editors are not as concerned about the "surprise". Since the success of Tom's story I think the editors realized that they didn't have to hide the winner as much to have a satisfying resolution for the audience. This isn't to say that there aren't some smoke and mirrors, only that they are a little less smokey and mirrory. Todd's doubt was manufactured in a sleight negative tone, but for the most part the editors are showing their hand a little more these days. - I think I've mentioned this before but if you want a real lesson in edgic watch any episode of CSI in reverse. The way the suspects are introduced, the amount of time the eventual "killer" is on screen and when. The same editing principles for a satisfying reveal are there as are throughout the season of Survivor. Survivor is one long episode of CSI. - Merry Christmas and congrats on another great season! Dice |
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I have to agree that the "known final pair" guideline is passe at this point. The thing that disturbs me most this season is the deviation from our
MOR differential guideline. I've always thought that was a pretty good guide, but this season Todd was further away than PG and Amanda. Kind of goes
along with our merge-time picks, I guess. I'll be less trusting of the MOR diff from here on out, and just go by my gut. If I'd stuck with my gut, I
wouldn't have made my little seque away from Todd for 2 episodes. And I'd have bragging rights, a la OTH. Not that we brag here or anything, I'd
like to be able to brag a little more to my survivor fan friends IRL.
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HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL MY LITTLE EDGICERS! HO, HO, HO (who you calling a ho?) |
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ME!
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Unduli wrote : Amanda's edit may have been similar to Danni's, but since there were better edits than hers, she should've never had any
support in Edgic.
Dice wrote : This season represents another blown chance for edgic to show why it's more fun than boot spoilers. I'm not saying you couldn't stretch edgic to fit Amanda, but having not been privy to the day to day here, it's hard for me to see how she wins an edgic argument over Todd (of even PG for that matter). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X X X X X X |
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Seriously, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and a joyful New Year to all of Edgic. You're all phenomenol people, and I'm very pleased to be a member
of your community. Thanks for putting up with me.
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dennydoylelives |
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Merry or Happy X-mas/Kwanzaa/Kibuki/Chuanicka(However they're spelling it this time around)/SnowGoddess Day
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MERRY CHRISTMAS
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unduli clone wrote:Solution: http://s15.invisionfree.com/No_Spoiler_Edgic/ |
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unduli clone |
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Oh, and I love it when you quote me, Oo. Just like in Bluto's thread, it makes my day to see someone on the same page. :)
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Hey Y'all a big Merry Christmas to all of you scattered around the world.
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astroline |
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Happy holidays everyone. I'm Buddhist so I don't celebrate Christmas, but I DO exchange gifts with my family & friends (what can I say, I'm a
college kid...)
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Happy Holidays Edgic. I hope to participate in S16. :)
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First off, happy holiday or time off of your choice all!!!!!
First - I'm not naming names, not important, but here are some quotes taken from different rating posts throughout this season up to the merge. This may get long, so I'll post it and then post analysis afterward. Following Episode 1
Following Episode 3
Following Episode 4
Following Episode 5
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Now here's a little portion of what I tried to glean from reading this for the past three hours.
Episode 1 - A lot of opinions cropped up about Todd was the strategic distraction - in episode 1. The guidelines suggest that a distraction is an OTT
character covering the winner. Todd got mostly CP votes. How was he see as a distraction? The quote of him being a distraction AND a winner contender is the
most disconcerting. This should be watched carefully in Micronesia. Some saw Amanda as Danni. Some eliminated her. Many argued about her visibility. PG was
noticed due to her temple scene and being a leader beside Dave.
Episode 3 - And now the divide has become a chasm. Many comments were like the above, discounting Todd but were willing to hold on to her underdeveloped edit and throw away his "overdeveloped" one. He still wasn't OTT, Dave was there and Jean-Robert and James become the trash, but too many gave up there. And the same statement kept cropping up - wanting an UTR winner, a female winner, what wallduck would Christen the Anyone But Todd syndrome. Episode 4 - Now everyone doubts their picks. Amanda goes very UTR again, and we're searching for signs of life. Todd was again considered too much a part of the story. And PG marked a tree, which became a point when more and more considered her seriously as the #1 pick. But many also felt she lacked something. Episode 5 - Now it was like when I was in grade school and you had to like KISS or AC/DC, you couldn't be a fan of both in front of your friends. (Rock and Roll All Nite! baby!) Some saw Amanda as clearly better, some Todd, and PG's support remained but the debate was about the two Fei-Longs. Look at those quotes and the arguements settled on that both should not be eliminated, but my pick is better. I highlighted the quote about Todd being a "very slght P for the 5th straight episode." I don't think we change Tone ratings. It was about differences of Tone opinion across the board. But the most glaring thing came from episode 5 and a look at the next week's voting results.
These were the stats we had at the time we should make our merge picks. Todd is right there in MOR Differential. PG looked awesome, Amanda not as much. The basis most people seemed to have at the time we picked winners was a combo of Todd's visibility and the idea that we've seen too much of his story. The MOR Diff should have been a sign that something in the interpretation was off. And the quote that explained it was "This season's highly visible bootees taking up so much of the story the "real story" hasn't even started to unravel yet." We all agreed that the early boots this year were well rounded, we knew them, etc. Right? Todd went to the merge with the high visibility concern, where Yul was a little underdeveloped circa merge. But look the seasons V chart to date. Chicken, Ashely, Leslie, Dave...all ahead of Todd. Is that important? Yes. MOR Diff is based on the player's average against all the season's players. Todd, edgically viable, was not a great candiate to pass those top 4. JR was close to him (and would eventually pass him). That puts him near the middle of the season's visibility to date. That's not "too visible", that's visibile and edgically viable. The MOR Diff to date would bear it out. Amanda was closer to the bottom than Todd was to the top. PG was right in the center. So by the merge, PG, Todd and Amanda all had support. Whatever can be said about Amanda's edit, I don't buy that if we had written her off that all that support jumps to Todd. Part desire (that I do not understand) to want to see a woman win coupled with spectacular numbers for PG make me think she would still be the merge pick. Maybe we should have considered her slightly bitchy edit, but Todd was getting marked the same way. PG was a great decoy all year. By the end of the season, Todd was passed by JR in visibility, and PG and James climbed within range, by the way. Todd was always covered by multiple distractions, OTT when needed one's like Dave, JR, Courtney and James trough the merge, then PG and Amanda's edits late. But I can't complain that PG was a contender at the merge. What concerned me the most in reading this season's Edgic is this desire not to have another "boring" edit. That led to legitimate study of Amanda, but really, you can't force Edgic to find something else. Find the winner. The editors tell the story of what happened. You can't change the outcome. If you can tell the winner in episode one, you can. That's not a bad thing, it's the correct thing. Keep watching, but don't discount someone because their edit is "too good". It's too good for a reason sometimes. And a distraction is usually OTT edited characters, something else to keep in mind. Okay, I probably am not coherent but it's 3.14am and I'm a little punchy now. Hopefully I can make sense of this later. I guess the one aspect I'm trying to reach for is that Todd wasn't eliminated as a winner via the merge by tone as much as being too visible and having too much screen time. Considering the high V players early, the cover they provided, and his ties to the endgame, Todd had the change to garner more support early, and perhaps that shouldn't be overlooked next time. I'd leave to Tone guidelines alone, consider knocking out the known pair and finally fixing Observation #6 to remove the old references as they are no longer needed. Michael |
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Excellent post, OTH. I actually read every single word. :) I think that probably was a big reason for the Amanda support - people wanted her to win. Pre-show I picked her as a favorite cause she was cute, a fan, and shared by birthday. I wouldn't Edgically support her because of that though. I didn't want Yul to win, but I picked him and advocated him as the winner. I think it's hard to separate opinion and Edgic, but it is necessary. And your points on the early boots' visibility numbers outweighing Todd's was also note-worthy. |
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MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
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