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S3 Ep 11 -- Story Arcs
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 Bungler |
S3 Ep 11 -- Story Arcs |
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Posts: 1436 (12/20/01 10:17 PM) MESS Moderator |
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MadBananaRush |
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Posts: 7399 (12/20/01 10:30 PM) Absent Administrator |
Well, "We Are Family" in all likelyhood refers to the girls. This is a 3-3 split. Will MammaKim be true to Ethan and tell him of the girls plan? I think she should. This way Ethan should guarantee himself safe passage to the final 2 with MammaKim. I think Mamma has a trick up her sleeve and will use Teresa and Little Kim as her pawns.
But there again, what do I know? |
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SuRvIvOrPhAn1017 |
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Posts: 1598 (12/20/01 10:38 PM) MESS member |
I think MamaKim will finally get the credit she deserves the next episode. I agree MBR, I think she'll use the 2 to her advantage, amybe piling votes on Tom so her and Ethan can fly UTR until the end. I think Ethan is letting Lex win all of the IC's for 2 reasons: 1)keep boran in the majority 2)keep a target off his back. Both Kims are flirting with the boot next episode becuase their facetime is getting up there, and so is Tom(S3's Rudy in the last challenge). But I think ultimately Mama will pull thru with the Borans voting off KimP 4-2(KimP and Teresa voting for Tom).
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TarasMommy |
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Posts: 9110 (12/20/01 10:45 PM) Registered user |
I think the "We are Family" referred to Ethan's comment about them all being like a family and being comfortable with each other...
...on a different note, how many other women out there got TIRED of the cameraman focusing in on KimP's butt? Hello??? Well...I guess you boys certainnly enjoyed it. |
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sunsawed |
Sistas unite? | ||
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Posts: 8011 (12/20/01 11:00 PM) MESS SPECtrometer |
T's attempted coup was a bad play. Just like Mama busted Silas, she busted T immediately. She was too close to Frank. Her best bet is still to wait for the men to tear at each other in the end game (and you know Lex and Tom will).
T's shown Mama two things. (And once again everybody's running to Mama and telling them their life's stories, which she then can share at her discression.) One, that she's willing to play dirty pool, of which Mama disapproves. Two, that she's desperate. (Perhaps useful as a pawn.) Will she turn on the guys next time? Depends. If Lex turns on Tom or vice versa, she'll be right there helping. A coup on Lex seems imminent. But she'd be much better served supporting Lex against Tom, though that seems contrary to her nature. Lex's shenanigans makes it impossible for him to take Kimp or T to the F2. Kelly + remaining Samburu = 4. Mama's best chance to get to the F2 outside "Fallen Comrades," (a game she will demolish the field in) is to force someone to choose her for the F2 by making the other choice a less certain victory: Being in between Tom and Ethan, Lex and Tom, etc. Lex and T would be the combo that gets her victory. |
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TarasMommy |
Re: Sistas unite? | ||
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Posts: 9110 (12/20/01 11:21 PM) Registered user |
The all-girl alliance is bogus. KimJ won't go for it. She's gonna stick with the boys as long as she can. The minute she goes with the girls, the guys will get rid of her. The boys have decent instincts when it comes to a betrayer...look what happened to Kelly. KimJ won't risk it...
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Bungler |
Re: Sistas unite? | ||
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Posts: 1436 (12/20/01 11:32 PM) MESS Moderator |
Evidence (albeit speculative) that Teresa's plan works:
1. Kelly's characterization of Teresa as a "master manipulator." If there's one thing we haven't seen yet (IMO) it's Teresa manipulating anything. Kelly's comments could have been in regards to an intended all-girl alliance in ep 11 that Teresa couldn't successfully pull off, but I'm not convinced one way or another on this one yet. 2. Episode 12 is called "Truth Be Told." If anybody's read way too much into titles so far, it's definitely me, but this title indicates to me that some hidden truth will be revealed. This could be an unannounced alliance that we haven't been given any evidence of yet, or it could be in relation to the "truth" that the viewers know but the Survivors do not: that Teresa voted for Lex in Ep 7. If this is true, then it seems highly likely that Teresa & Lex will still be around in Episode 12. I can't think of anything else offhand, but I'm sure there's something I'm missing. |
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ShabaBaba |
Re: Sistas unite? | ||
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Posts: 260 (12/20/01 11:35 PM) MESS member |
Oh, Kim J is way too stupid to even consider going against the Boran tribe. KimP is goners. T-Bird will fly the coop a week later, then Lex/Ethan/Tom will show Kim J their gratitude by sending her packing.
MB showed us the Final Three all the way back in Week Two.  All of the joy just went out of this show for me. I'll watch because I like the show, but as much as I despise right-wing nuts, Frank sure had grown on me over these last few weeks. It won't be the same without him. It was like losing Greg in S1 or Jeff in S2. And did ANYONE catch a selfless blessing? I think CBS has screwed up the hints. ShabaBaba |
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Tela123 |
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Posts: 353 (12/21/01 12:55 AM) MESS member |
Selfless Blessing? Well possibly like Tom washing the women, and someone breaks into tears over a tough decision we'll see the selfless blessing next week. Frank having told Teresa to vote him to possibly get her to the finals??? He SEEMED angry at getting voted out but what if it was an act to save Teresa? To let her go with the women's alliance. In the KimJ confessional that everyone is talking about - her saying to stick to alliances- Blah blah - gets gooned- yammer yammer- If you do a plan B-pause- TOO SOON - your out. What if she has a plan B and now it is the time to play it? What if she told Teresa to vote Frank to prove loyalty to the now unshown alliance? If she dosen't no woman is going to make it to the final three.
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BigThor |
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Posts: 261 (12/21/01 2:03 AM) |
From Brandon's interview, the selfless blessing was in fact last week. Brandon gave Kim P
his blessing to vote for him. Again, CBS has screwed up the hints. Also, "We Are Family" was Ep 10. The title for Ep 11 was "The Big Adventure"- or at least it was last week. |
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PeerGynt78 |
And then there were two | ||
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Posts: 74 (12/21/01 2:31 AM) |
Only two people left with a story arc that started at the beginning of the show, Tom and Lex. Anyone want to venture a guess at who the final two are?
As I stated before in this discussion, MB is not going to add anymore starring roles in this show. The supporting cast members that are left will be picked off one by one. So remember just because people's story line is picking up doesn't mean, At This Point, anything at all. |
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fatevilcanuck |
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Posts: 531 (12/21/01 3:14 AM) MESS member |
Quote: Well looking at the final 2 of past survivors S1 Kelly W - Got very little in terms of early storylines\arcs. Came on after the merge she took on a more central role. Rich - Got alot of facetime and seemed to have a story right from the start. Was always the center of storylines right from the start. S2 Tina - The dog that didn't bark. Her story didn't really start until the episode where Maddog got booted. It ignited at the merge. Got a ton of airtime post merge. Colby - started right away as the alpha male of ogakor. Got alot of airtime and often got the most complex story arcs. Which brings us to S3 I think one of Tom/Lex will face one of E/MK/LK/T in the final 2. If past Survivor's have taught us anything. Just a couple of late night ramblings by a drunken canuck. |
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sunsawed |
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Posts: 8011 (12/21/01 8:43 AM) MESS SPECtrometer |
Nobody has been discussing how this weeks episode was the Tom Buchannan Show.
Mesmells a peak in the Stary Arc. He seems utterly invincible. He can grab a glance an Kimp's boobs. He can run around yelling "Jew Boy bought ham!! And he can't eat it, WHOOPIE!!!" He gets a beer for next to nothing and nobody stops him. He IS getting away with murder. Yeah, as a person, he may be harmless. But in the game, HE'S KICKING YOUR ASSES. T's shown the first real inclination to go "Low-road" by suggesting Mama vote off Ethan simply because he's a nice guy and deserves to win. Mama said she was "really pissed off" to Ethan. We presume at her. But why? Because she's going low? Because she was trying to trick her into giving the game to F&T? Because she presumes to know the OB relationship score card? Or MAYBE because she thinks she's RIGHT, but isn't in a position at this time to call them on it. Ethan's story began in Ep. 1 too. He narrated most of that episode. Then he kind of fell off the screen until recently. Lex's arc was going all along, but up until the Twist it was OTHER PEOPLE, mainly Ethan, Clarence and Kelly talking about him. He emerged on his own at the Merge and in a terrible light. Is it time for him to go or to redeem himself? The Tom/Lex rivalry has to come to a boil this episode. Like someone on Spec has pointed out the 6 is the key. After this, it will be more or less like dominos (maybe a glitch here or there caused by immunity). |
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Quequeg |
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Posts: 1050 (12/21/01 11:57 AM) MESS member |
Tom gets away with murder because he is so affable about it. He is the anti Rudy- the old geezer who is "harmless!" He gets by with all the polically incorrectness of Rudy by doing it with a smile and a laugh! "OW geeze now I ain't ment to offend nobodys here!" I really think he will be in our F3.
If Mamak is smart she will vote out Lex ASAP. There is something between Mamak and Teresa why else would T vote for frank? Also I think Mama's comment to ethan about being really pissed was about Frank and his NRA rant. T's comments have got to be runing through Mama's mind EVERYTIME she see's the "guys" together. DO THE MATH MAMA! 3 guys + you = mama out in f4! mama+kimp+T= mama in the F3 at least! If Lex doesn't get Immunity I would like to see a coup de force by the "sisters" will it happen? Probably NOT!! |
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Kessie5 |
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Posts: 266 (12/21/01 12:42 PM) |
I just can't help thinking that Tom is the key for Teresa and Littlebit to stay alive. Forget all this Mama all girl stuff. Tom has votes and he knows it. He could switch sides much more easily than Mama. It was Ethan and Mama that were close. Tom and Lex were close. Now he questions Lex.
Maybe the TRUTH that is told, is Teresa confiding in Tom that she cast the Lex vote. He said if he ever found out that Kelly wasn't the rat, that Lex had done Kelly and the tribe an injustice. Remember all the "Tom is not as dumb as he lets on" crap this episode. That is foreshadowing people. Foreshadowing for what? Maybe he ditches Boran and teams up with the remaining Sammies. I'm not saying it will happen,,,,,,but it could. Thoughts? |
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chrisgio23 |
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Posts: 191 (12/21/01 2:41 PM) |
I don't really know where to post this, so I'll start here.
I am sure that the rest of the Samburu tribe will be pagonged, follow by Lex's dismissal, with Tom and Ethan now calling the shots. I have come to this conclusion from the following observations. 1) Tribal lines were very evident in the recent RC, where it seemed that every time a former Samburu bid on something, Tom (and Ethan) raised the bid astronomically. KimP's sundae going and Teresa's meatball sub (when Tom finally relented after raising the bid 500 at a time) are two of the examples that I immediately recall. It was pretty clear that they were raising the stakes just to be spiteful and hope that the Sam tribe spent all their money. Conversely, Tom actually underbid for beer and no one tried to raise him. When Tom, Lex, Mama or Ethan bid on something, the bidding was virtually uncontested and they were able to conserve their money. Please note, this was my observation and not to be construed as an absolute statement. It was my uber gut that noticed that they were playing along tribal lines when bidding on things in most occassions. 2) After being propositioned by Teresa to join an all female alliance, MamaKim ran straight to Ethan and told him. This is loyalty. His response was that "they were desparate and backed into a corner". 3) Lex saying that "things are going exactly to plan" (followed by an evil muhwahhah and that dastardly rubbing together of his hands). These three observations from last episode alone lead me to believe that the F4 will be Boran and there will be no "all female alliance". I saw somewhere that the title for EP 12 was something about "truth be told", which implies to me that Teresa fesses up to Lex about voting him off. That means to me that KimP goes next  , followed by Teresa. Tom's long memory and the tribe's general dislike of Lex lead me to believe that he's odd man out. F3 is Ethan, Tom and MamaKim. Ethan runs the immunity table and takes MamaKim with him as he knows that Tom is just as likeable (if not more) to the jury. Flame away-I've got my teflon suit on. |
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thursdayfix |
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Posts: 3382 (12/21/01 2:57 PM) Registered User |
I agree with you all the way up to the final three part. I think Lex will either win immunity or be kept around because he'd be great to go against in the final two. I think they'll boot MamaKim when Lex wins immunity and then it will be Tom/Lex/Ethan and Tom and Lex in the final two.
But I originally picked Ethan to win the whole thing (from the very first episode) so I'm going against myself with this idea. |
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erickman |
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Posts: 19982 (12/21/01 5:30 PM) MESS member |
sunsawed you hit the nail on the head on your rc gut story. tom got to bid what he wanted and nobody chalanged him. he's got his ticket to f3. he sure is mb's fav not frank. by story lines tom and ethen will go to f3. lex or t highly probal. the 2 kims no way. if it was ma she would have been eddted like tina.
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SuRvIvOrPhAn1017 |
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Posts: 1598 (12/21/01 6:05 PM) MESS member |
Actually, if you think about it, MamaKim has had a "storyline" per se. Not thru facetime, but actions and other people's confessionals. She was set up as the weak older women, than in Eps. 5 and 6 she was a somewhat power player(getting Silas to squeal in under 5 minutes). From the early point in the merge she used her Boran alliance to get alittle further, and now she may be the key person people will be trying to get with them. 1)She can side with the females and go to F3, or 2)say to Ethan and Tom listen, if you can't guarentee me a F3/F2 spot then we're picking you off one by one, or 3)she can talk with Ethan and possibly stratigize and say listen I'll vote this TC with them, gain their trust, then we can use them as pawns and get to the F2.
1)Te/Kj/Kp alliance thru F3 Eps.11-Lex barring IC Eps.12-Ethan Eps.13-Tom This way would give credit to the nickname spoiler, if they keep Tom around 2)E/To agree to F3 terms with Kj Eps.11-Te/KimP Eps.12-Lex Eps.13-KimP/Te 3)E/KimJ use Te/KimP as panws Eps.11-Lex Eps.12-KimP Eps.13a-Te Eps.13b-To Scenerios 2 and 3 make the most sense, since MB likes to keep the gender lines even, and KimJ doens't seem to want to switch sides. ....SuRvIvOrPhAn.... |
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Quequeg |
Re: add to RC gut | ||
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Posts: 1050 (12/21/01 6:10 PM) MESS member |
sunsawed;
I also noticed how Tom was in every bidding war W/ETHAN. Did you notice that MamaK immediately offered Teresa part of the Chicken? Lex ended up with it by default I really got the impression Kim wnated to share with T NOT Lex! But T was too slow to grab the offer and say "yes! SOLD" before Lex jumped in. The only thing more obvious to me other than Kimp being alone was that LEX was the odd man out in the Boran tribe. Tom and Ethan are closer than we realize I think. Lex pushed his authority last week and it'll come back to bite him! Old Boran can now ax him and still have the majority to take the F3 (excluding a freak immunity run by Kimp and T) |
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chrisgio23 |
Re: add to RC gut | ||
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Posts: 191 (12/21/01 6:23 PM) |
Que-YES!
Every time a Samburu bid on something, Tom and Ethan jacked up the price so high that it was painful to watch. (KimP and the sundae-for god's sake man, let her have the ice cream!; Teresa and the hoagie-jeez, you kind of saw his response of "500 more shillings" coming after a while). However, when Tom was bidding on something (or another Boran for that matter), there was no bidding until the end. It was painful to watch. And how in the heck did he underbid the beer from 4000 to 1000 and NOONE COUNTERBID?!?! It's truly Tom's game-everyone is afraid of him. He doesn't like Lex (betrayal by voting with Brandon), and he might just make his move. Having Ethan to himself is a lot better than having to share him with Lex. |
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