It's official: California is underwater

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (Monsieur Muggles) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:20:39 GMT

merkyl wrote:
So the official retard spin is it's all the republicans in California's fault?

Well, UC is leading the argument.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (PassionatePiscesMan) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:17:31 GMT

"And in a 2007 report, the White House Council of Economic Advisers asserted that, over the long haul, immigrants end up paying off:

The long-run impact of immigration on public budgets is likely to be positive. Projections of future taxes and government spending are subject to uncertainty, but a careful study published by the National Research Council estimated that immigrants and their descendants would contribute about $80,000 more in taxes (in 1996 dollars) than they would...

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (The Annoying Hater) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:58:49 GMT

UrbanSprawl wrote:
Proposition 13 is fundamental if you're talking about the current economic breakdown. By getting rid of local taxes (pushing power away from local districts to Sacramento) and by tying the hands of state bureaucrats at either raising taxes or passing budgets, you make it impossible to respond in emergencies or respond to deficits.

State bureaucrats are only as accountable as the power they...

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (merkyl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:48:41 GMT

So the official retard spin is it's all the republicans in California's fault?

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (Licorice) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:43:58 GMT

UrbanSprawl wrote:

There are a lot of Republicans cheering on for the state to fail (and casting votes to aid in the failure of the state) to prove to themselves that their government-is-a-perpetual-failure-machine ideology correct. But I think this is more emblematic of everything that's wrong with republicans (and partly what's wrong with the state government) than what's right.

Not only...

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (UrbanSprawl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:43:40 GMT

A huge part of our deficit is due to Schwarzenegger's cutting of the vehicle licensing fee. So he too is largely responsible for the debt.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (Monsieur Muggles) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:37:58 GMT

Arnold had no say over the economy (what initiated this catastrophe in the first place). Gray Davis was awash in money with the dot-com boom money and still managed to be a failure.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (UrbanSprawl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:31:00 GMT

Proposition 13 is fundamental if you're talking about the current economic breakdown. By getting rid of local taxes (pushing power away from local districts to Sacramento) and by tying the hands of state bureaucrats at either raising taxes or passing budgets, you make it impossible to respond in emergencies or respond to deficits.

State bureaucrats are only as accountable as the power they yield in the state- which isn't very much because the people have taken the majority...

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (Licorice) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:22:32 GMT

The Annoying Hater wrote:
Prop 13 isn't even an issue, the Dems are just using it as a scapegoat to save their asses.

The reason for California's budget woes is ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Our education, healthcare, transportation, criminal, welfare, etc. cost have all gotten way out of control because of them.

I think everyone across the entire political spectrum is to blame.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (merkyl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:17:42 GMT

Perhaps you should head over to dictionary.com and look up "likely", "projections" and "uncertainty". And one study does not "proven" make. Even someone who pretends to be smart like you should know that, child molester.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (Zzunk) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:16:08 GMT

UC, you weren't even born when Prop. 13 passed. Parts of it was badly needed, but it had it's flaws, too. The people who voted it in were concerned that property taxes were escalating at the same rate of the price of homes -- 5 to 10 percent a year. It simply rolled back the real estate values (bad idea) and restricted the tax to 1% (should have been 1.5%). Most people did not understand that it bound the legislature on other and future tax issues -- this is why ballot measures should...

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (UrbanSprawl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:11:30 GMT

merkyl wrote:

And first generation and second generation immigrants have been proven to pay MORE into the system than they take out.
Totally false.

Nope, just your bigotry speaking.

And in a 2007 report, the White House Council of Economic Advisers asserted that, over the long haul, immigrants end up paying off:

The...

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (PassionatePiscesMan) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:09:49 GMT

They are huge boon to those who hire illegals at low wages and then don't pay the taxes.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (merkyl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:06:25 GMT

And first generation and second generation immigrants have been proven to pay MORE into the system than they take out.

Totally false.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (UrbanSprawl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:02:40 GMT

Prop 13 is crucial if you want to understand how California got into this mess.

And first generation and second generation immigrants have been proven to pay MORE into the system than they take out. So immigrants are a huge boon to the state and our economy and continue to be (even though there are a lot of scared bigots out there).

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (The Annoying Hater) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:47:39 GMT

Prop 13 isn't even an issue, the Dems are just using it as a scapegoat to save their asses.

The reason for California's budget woes is ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Our education, healthcare, transportation, criminal, welfare, etc. cost have all gotten way out of control because of them.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (merkyl) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:46:45 GMT

squashthebeef wrote:
LA is a cancer. Cut it out and take the surrounding areas to make sure you get all of the malignant shit.

Daisy cutters!

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (CBRetriever) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:56:19 GMT

whew, I squeaked by, but I'll need a replacement Mr CBR

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (PieceOfSquash) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:45:26 GMT

once tom cruise takes over the world, all people 5'6" and taller will be exterminated. it's written in one of hubbard's books or something.

Re: It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (squashthebeef) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:42:58 GMT

Now the Scientologists will offer a bail-out that the legislature will be forced to accept. Building will begin on the new spaceport, Disneyland will be renamed Hubbardland and actors will walk around in costumes with giant John Travolta and Tom Cruise heads.

Damn you people!

It's official: California is underwater

feeds@yuku.com (Monsieur Muggles) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:19:51 GMT

No deal as state budget deadline passes

Spinning down the toilet, everyone.