Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:24:54 GMT

When did Cirie ask her again? I don't remember it being on the show at all. If it was at the final 6, she had no reason to take out Parvati.

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (chapera rocks) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:20:37 GMT

Natalie may not be as stupid as the editors made her seem, but you are probably also overestimating her strategic game. There's nothing to really suggest she was a huge power player at any point in the game. Just a great persuader. She never had all that much control over the game, and when she did have it (Jason vote), she squandered it. When Cirie presented a chance for her to break away from the remnants of the couples alliance, she turned it down.

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:54:48 GMT

PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote:
I don't feel qualified to talk about Natalie's game since she was basically invisible until the Jason boot. We got like three confessionals before that and they were about non-substantive things like the weather or a challenge or the pizza reward. Then she became a caricature of a bitch for the rest of the series. Poor girl had one of the worst edits ever.

Actually, she only...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (PrettyGoodYear1988) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:36:19 GMT

I don't feel qualified to talk about Natalie's game since she was basically invisible until the Jason boot. We got like three confessionals before that and they were about non-substantive things like the weather or a challenge or the pizza reward. Then she became a caricature of a bitch for the rest of the series. Poor girl had one of the worst edits ever.

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:21:03 GMT

Kirblar wrote:
Natalie had a really good social game out there, she just really seemed to be hoping that Parvati/Amanda would honor their F4 deal (much like how Jenna/Rupert left their games in the hands of Romber in ASS.) A lot of that, though, has to do with Amanda having Erik wrapped around her finger, killing the chances of a fan alliance happening at F8.

Woah woah woah. When did she ever say that she was hoping...

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feeds@yuku.com (Kirblar) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:10:59 GMT

Natalie had a really good social game out there, she just really seemed to be hoping that Parvati/Amanda would honor their F4 deal (much like how Jenna/Rupert left their games in the hands of Romber in ASS.) A lot of that, though, has to do with Amanda having Erik wrapped around her finger, killing the chances of a fan alliance happening at F8.

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feeds@yuku.com (solesurvivor01) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:09:41 GMT

Eliza wasn't really rooting for the fans. She was rooting against the Fourgy. This is what she said in one of the interviews after her boot episode.

Reality TV World: Personally speaking, which castaway would you like to see win Micronesia? Any castaway you don't want to see win?

Eliza: I would love to see Cirie win, because Cirie's the only person left who has a family -- she supports her children and to send them to...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:04:12 GMT

Eliza said in her thread that she was rooting for the fans. Go ask her.

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (DarrahColleenJerri) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:43:11 GMT

I can't see Eliza voting for a fan just for the hell of it, that would go against everything she ever says about deserving being "good gameplay blah blah", and clearly none of the fans were good at gameplay or strategy.

And also the difference between Denise and Cirie is that Cirie made moves to get herself into her position and was viewed as being strategical and one of the power players while Denise clearly did nothing but vote with the majority when they told her to...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (chapera rocks) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:47:35 GMT

He said that after the game. During it, he had no idea she was the one behind it all.

Again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that she helped take him down given how much she was talking to him, manipulating him etc, and if Jason didn't figure it out when he got voted out, he most certainly would have been able to figure it out at subsequent tribal councils when they bragged about the blindsides, when Natalie was beaming about the women...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:37:51 GMT

chapera rocks wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. She had Eliza's vote???? Eliza is the one who said that the faves were playing a far superior game to the fans and that they were playing dumb.

She said that she was going to vote for any fan.

And Jason has said that he thought Nat made a bad move since he was very loyal to her. He also said that he would vote for the best player...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (chapera rocks) — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:16:57 GMT

Thailandsurvivor wrote:

chapera rocks wrote:

I understand them taking out Natalie because she was the biggest jury threat of the final four. She would have won against anyone, but I don't understand why Cirie would be ok with having a 33% chance at the finals when she could make it a 100% by forcing the tie....

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:11:48 GMT

chapera rocks wrote:

I understand them taking out Natalie because she was the biggest jury threat of the final four. She would have won against anyone, but I don't understand why Cirie would be ok with having a 33% chance at the finals when she could make it a 100% by forcing the tie.
How was Natalie the biggest jury threat?

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (JackSparrowBauer) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:22:37 GMT
I think that Cirie probably would've stuck with Erik/Natalie if she knew it was a Final 2, and yes, I think she would've been better off, too.

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feeds@yuku.com (menelaus) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:59:31 GMT
What Natalexis should have done was form a fan alliance at F8 instead of going with the all girls alliance where the favorites had the majority. Yes, Jason sucked to be around, but he was also an idiot that they could control and would never win the final jury vote.

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (chapera rocks) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:55:05 GMT

I understand them taking out Natalie because she was the biggest jury threat of the final four. She would have won against anyone, but I don't understand why Cirie would be ok with having a 33% chance at the finals when she could make it a 100% by forcing the tie.
How was Natalie the biggest jury threat? She has Alexis' vote for sure. She doesn't have...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (ThrowMeGabon) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:06:19 GMT

Kirblar wrote:

ThrowMeGabon wrote:
Ok, if the editing brainwashed me, her best option is still to go 2-2 against Amanda, then switch on Cirie with Parvati at F3. It's never good to go into a F3 relying on the final IC if you can have an ally there instead. If the tie failed, you'd be in the same position: relying on the final IC.
Amanda...

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Frankly My Dear) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:48:43 GMT
Uhm, idk. Parvati still won. <3

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feeds@yuku.com (tomersde) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:08:04 GMT

Forget the F5. If that dumb-ass Jason would've used his idol in the F8, the fans have a majority, and no F2.

Re: Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (Thailandsurvivor) — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:04:30 GMT

survivorjordancontestant wrote:
well, had Cirie known that it was a final 2, wouldn't she have sided with the more easy to break Eliza-Penner-Ami-YauMan alliance in the beginning?
How does that make any sense? Hearing speculation like that from JAYE fans is ridiculous.

Would Cirie and Natalie have been better off going with Eric?

feeds@yuku.com (CrystalOwnage) — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:31:43 GMT
Someone with actual knowledge of Survivor Strategy would have to answer this...

Would it have been better for Cirie and Natalie to boot Parvati at the Final 5?? In Hindsight?