Sugar's strategy

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (craig) — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:17:52 GMT

I'm afraid the F3 could become a factor is people not playing to win, because for many to takes away any realistic shot. So might as well help your friends win or people you like win.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (colleenlover) — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:09:00 GMT

they try to get on them now because they take up a huge percentage of the programing broadcast. they're not a lot of options, and you take what you can get.

When Survivor first came out there was not the push on actors, but over the years it has changed. I get breakdowns from my agent about casting for reality shows and so do many of my friends. It's the norm now.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (cindidindi76) — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:43:45 GMT

I'm not worried about the precedent she set either because people are not going to try and be like her because 1) They would have to get far in their seasons which would be unlikely and 2) Sugar would have to get some type of deal out of this season and I doubt that she will that would entice others to follow in her footsteps.

I'm pretty sure that if casting actively seeks out people wanting to make Survivor their audition tape,...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Kirblar) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:30:27 GMT

Baulder wrote:

Cassidy666 wrote:
I believe good strategy is based on the situation that is faced and the objective is to get to the end and pissing off the least amount of people doing it. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation as long as good decisions are made to balance all of that. How everyone goes about it is...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Baulder) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:18:06 GMT

Cassidy666 wrote:
I believe good strategy is based on the situation that is faced and the objective is to get to the end and pissing off the least amount of people doing it. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation as long as good decisions are made to balance all of that. How everyone goes about it is different, which is what makes it interesting to see.

This would mean...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (craig) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:16:20 GMT

Well, my thinking is you can either be a ruthless gamer with no real sense of loyalty who will vote out anyone on their way to the million, or you can be a loyal member of a tight alliance, Pagong the other team, and take your friends to the end even though it might not be the strategically best thing for you. You can't be both.

The top masterminds manage to do both. They form loyal alliances with decent people they have a shot against. Todd and Parvati...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Cassidy666) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:00:54 GMT

I believe good strategy is based on the situation that is faced and the objective is to get to the end and pissing off the least amount of people doing it. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation as long as good decisions are made to balance all of that. How everyone goes about it is different, which is what makes it interesting to see.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (urrout) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:51:54 GMT

Baulder wrote:
The other poeple's strategies were flawed for not getting rid of somebody who was so unpredictable (as somebody said earlier) and allowing her and her emotions to stick around and rule the day.

Sugar wasn't unpredictable until the Crystal boot. She went along with every boot without fuss. The only time she flipped before Crystal was with Ace way early in the game. One flip does not make...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (PrettyGoodYear1988) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:24:41 GMT

What about Tina? I would say that she fits both of those descriptions and she won. She was willing to vote out anybody on her way to the million: She liked Liz and Rodger more than Keith but "ruthlessly" voted them out. She also was the second who kept Colby with her until the end even though it was a potential loss.

That's the thing. She was loyal to Keith, even though she didn't like him as much as Elisabeth or Rodger. Sugar was...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Baulder) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:06:41 GMT

PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote:
Well, my thinking is you can either be a ruthless gamer with no real sense of loyalty who will vote out anyone on their way to the million, or you can be a loyal member of a tight alliance, Pagong the other team, and take your friends to the end even though it might not be the strategically best thing for you. You can't be both.

What about Tina? I...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (PrettyGoodYear1988) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:10 GMT

Well, my thinking is you can either be a ruthless gamer with no real sense of loyalty who will vote out anyone on their way to the million, or you can be a loyal member of a tight alliance, Pagong the other team, and take your friends to the end even though it might not be the strategically best thing for you. You can't be both.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Cassidy666) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:33:56 GMT

Thanks! I'll try to check it out when I have the time.

It's easy to say that people should always vote based on "strategy" but that line varies so much from person to person. Factors like loyalty and treating people well also weigh heavily in real juries when they have to make a decision.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (PrettyGoodYear1988) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:26:40 GMT

Schoonie of TVgasm is always really good. I think he's a literature buff, because he reads into Survivor on pretty deep levels. Read his recaps of Fiji. It will give you a completely new appreciation for that season.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Cassidy666) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:24:17 GMT

PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote:
Schoonie of TVgasm wrote about Sugar this way. I think it's pretty appropriate.

My problem with Sugar is that she's letting her emotions guide her through the game instead of thinking about how to create the best possible situation in which she can win. She's making really shrewd moves, which has kept me from seeing what the real deal is.

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Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (craig) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:19:11 GMT

I think Sugar is the greatest thing that has ever happened to this show. She played exactly how I tried to play in an ORG. She didn't care about winning and only wanted to get to the end so she could flip off jurors she hated and call them jerks to their face.

So you played a troll strategy.

Funny, my one ORG experience I finsih 7th like Corinne. I was somewhat of a follower and had allies who were smart and stategic but could be jerky (I was...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (PrettyGoodYear1988) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:45:43 GMT

Schoonie of TVgasm wrote about Sugar this way. I think it's pretty appropriate.

My problem with Sugar is that she's letting her emotions guide her through the game instead of thinking about how to create the best possible situation in which she can win. She's making really shrewd moves, which has kept me from seeing what the real deal is.

If you think about it, she's never really had a plan for more than a few hours ahead, and...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (urrout) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:33:44 GMT

SenseiKreese wrote:

she definitely played one of the best games out there.

Oh I completely agree. IMO, Sugar was easily the best strategist out there. And what I love about her was the fact that she was smart enough to know it was pointless. She was never going to win against this jury, and under these circumstances, and she knew it.

Sugar had a very important...

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Cassidy666) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:12:20 GMT

It's been too long, Swine. You really should give it another go.

Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (A Dying Clown) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:53:24 GMT

It was the Sugar Show, and everybody else was there to play whatever role she chose for them.

If she was actually trying to a piece of Andy Kaufman-esque performance art, I'd probably be a fan. But she never went to that kind of extremes and still grovelled in the hopes of getting a couple of votes (and, as she's said in interviews, she's apologised to Randy at the Final Tribal Council, so she didn't exactly call anyone out).

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Re: Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (4 Horsemen) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:42:51 GMT

Well you are the person who started the Sugar love thread aren't you?

Sugar's strategy

feeds@yuku.com (Manila ESQ) — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:24:20 GMT

It seemed that Sugar had no actual strategy when it comes to her end game. People think that she was playing for the viewers, instead of playing for the million. Thus, the embarassment of Randy (a juror), and saving Bob (who she thought viewers would like). I think this is for the most part true.

But what bugged me was why she wanted to go into the final 3 with Matty and Bob, both liked by the jurors. She probably thought that:

a) Being both liked by the jurors, votes may...