Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (chad6) — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:15:18 GMT

I don't know. Life experience does not necessarily make you not annoying (if that makes sense). Kenny wasn't annoying when he was in power, but once he fell out of power he started to whine, cry, guilt, feel self-entitled and just became really annoying. You can attribute his actions/attitude to being young and immature, but either way it was highly annoying and it made me dislike him.

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (ratsnsnakes) — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:02:15 GMT

I agree, birdlady, even though Kenny disappointed me last time, he *is* very young, and clearly does not have the life experience that some of the others have. Not to beat a dead horse, but Kenny's behavior vs. that of the Onion 4 is golden. Must.get.over.disgust.of.onion.alliance.especially.corrine

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (birdlady) — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:17:53 GMT

You know, Ken is only 22. I know that is an adult, but it's a young adult. He's had much less life experience even than folks the age of Crystal/Sugar/Matty, and he's also playing with someone old enough to be his mother, and his grandfather. He still lives at home, and I sorta got the impression he's a younger sibling. So I feel like that baby of the family role is a natural for him. It's more annoying in an adult than it would be in a child, but I can sure see how he...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (chad6) — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:18:56 GMT

Some thoughts on the episode:

1) Even though Ken is on the outs, I still think he wins. Bob/Matty are the "threats" so Sugar will target whichever of those two don't win immunity.
2) I love Sugar for switching the game up (even though her crying is getting annoying).
3) Why did they vote out Crystal instead of Ken? He is obviously the bigger challenge and mental threat.
4) Ken was EXTREMELY annoying tonight. I really wanted him to go tonight. = (
...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (rower) — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:05:22 GMT

With Sugar in this mix... nothing is certain. She is the free spirit who seems to change from day to day. She could side with Matty and Susie but if Kenny wins immunity I don't know that she would want to boot Bob. I could see her going to Kenny and Bob and making an agreement with them to take out Susie or Matty. Who knows? And Susie is someone else who won't hesitate to pull out the stops to make sure she gets to final three. If she thinks there is some danger to that she...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (trinity17888) — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:14:17 GMT

Matty winning isn't an outcome I'd be thrilled about, but it's not one that I'd mind all that much either, since this season has been filled with such poor, emotional game play that it would seem oddly appropriate for such a non-strategic player to win in the end.

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Schadenfreude) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:45:31 GMT

So, in the end, I suspect what we are looking at is a million dollar endurance immunity challenge between Bob and Matty. Last man standing gets the million.

CRYSTAL: I so did not see that coming, and neither did she.

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Coachocd) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:40:26 GMT

I love how Sugar told Matty, "Leave the thinking to me". She's a good strategist. If only she would use her skills to get herself to win, not to advance those she deems as "the good guys".

But she has brains. I almost want her to win just because she goes against all the convention game theories about Survivor. There's an exception to every rule.

Susie is a total enigma. Everyone kept saying, "what does Susie think?" "what...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Former Lurker 2) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:20:07 GMT

ratsnsnakes wrote:
My two cents: Sugar is an emotional player and I don't think she's "sweet" at all. Really didn't like how she got rid of Randy (not that I'm a Randy lover by any means). So I think that even though she *should* stick with her alliance of four, she may not.

Kenny had better win the next six immunities. ;-)

Matty - I really, really, really do not want him...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (montanagirl) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:34 GMT

Ok. Ok. Deep breath..... YAY!!!!

My heart was beating SO fast by the end of TC.

YAY for Sugar - a bit of redemption for her - AND another view of the brains behind her beauty.
YAY for Bob - I was SO afraid he would give up that idol.
Big BOO for Ken - I know this is a game, but to try and pull that shit on Bob AND to let everyone in on it was pure evil. I can't believe the whining, and AT TC no less. The whole "I fucked up and it's all Bob's...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (CFmomma) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:40:49 GMT

rower wrote:
Sugar (pot) meet kettle (everyone else). Am I the only one who is a bit done with Sugar's "I'm so sweet and good" act? She is responsible for every juror being where they are with the exception of Marcus. And who died and made her the decider of who is good and who is bad? It's just getting a bit old but now I see where the theme of the season comes into play. (I am also remembered of the bible...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Ramona Balboa) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:27:03 GMT

birdlady wrote:

According to Probst, "In a strange coincidence to Earth's Last Eden - good vs. evil emerges...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (trinity17888) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:47 GMT

ratsnsnakes wrote:

^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, but it still feels to me like CBS sort of forced that theme on us moreso than the players.

It does feel forced and anytime I hear that the good people must win, those are the people I usually want to lose.

It's very convenient to all of a sudden want to align with the "good guys" (and how exactly...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (GrenadeJumper85) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:50:58 GMT

Orangeena wrote:
VERy statisfying episode. One of the most surprising and delightful to be sure.

I hated Crystal from the get go. And now she's gone. Because she and Kenny were "putting the stink on Matty"...well, who's the smelly one now?

I'm soooo relieved! And the Onions were jumping for joy! This makes it a fait a complis that Kenny is next if he doesn't win immunity....

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (ratsnsnakes) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:10:26 GMT

^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, but it still feels to me like CBS sort of forced that theme on us moreso than the players.

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (birdlady) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:36:38 GMT

According to Probst, "In a strange coincidence to Earth's Last Eden - good vs. evil emerges as a major theme this season.

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (ratsnsnakes) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:33:55 GMT

My two cents: Sugar is an emotional player and I don't think she's "sweet" at all. Really didn't like how she got rid of Randy (not that I'm a Randy lover by any means). So I think that even though she *should* stick with her alliance of four, she may not.

Kenny had better win the next six immunities. ;-)

Matty - I really, really, really do not want him to win. He had no strategy of any kind and even though I myself noted that he has won some...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Que) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:07:00 GMT

She is responsible for every juror being where they are with the exception of Marcus

Kenny was responsible for Charlie. Crystal and Sugar wanted corrine /Randy out, it was Kenny who changed it over to Charlie.

And Corrine sealed her own fate with Susie and Sugar and Crystal for that matter.

So Sugar was the power behind Randy and Crystal oust only.

I do think she really takes things to heart......

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (erickman) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:59:44 GMT

trinity17888 wrote:

rower wrote:
Sugar (pot) meet kettle (everyone else). Am I the only one who is a bit done with Sugar's "I'm so sweet and good" act? She is responsible for every juror being where they are with the exception of Marcus. And who died and made her the decider of who is good and who is...

Re: S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Ramona Balboa) — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:29:00 GMT

No story arcs thread so I guess I'll put this here--

I've been trying to remember exactly what Jeff said--as I recall he did not use the words good and evil but rather some other formulation that we simplified into good v evil.

I imagine he was trying to capture the shock of having a final episode of the people who all normally would have left in the first 5 episodes (plus Matty)--5 because Gillian would always be the first boot..

And if Bob and Susie...

S17 Week 11 Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

feeds@yuku.com (Trixiego) — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:54:15 GMT

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming soon........