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wallduck: Well, considering the fact that you were the voice crying in the wilderness for Chris on Vanuatu, this is so ironic. Lol. :)

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Are you going to have to re-watch episodes this season?

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ILT, how can you hate anyone "already"?

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Dead on... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (I LUV TIJUANA) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251084 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:48:16 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251086/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251086

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Take Courtney for example. In some of your rants (which I enjoy) about Courtney, you have pointed out that she received only two N ratings by the group all season. As if the reason were that Courtney really wasn’t very N. But in my opinion, the reason Courtney received only two N’s was that her watchdog was a pitbull cheerleader who defended her adamantly any time the group tried to consign her to N-ness. So people... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Oowatanite) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251086 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:39:30 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251083/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251083
PD, don't create the new thread just yet. We only need 15 more posts to get this one to 5K!

OK, now I've ruined it. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (AmberKnecht) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251083 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:34:17 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251082/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251082
If you really see something a majority didn't, you should mention why you do. But keep it as an interpretation from Edgic, not... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (OnlyTheHunter) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251082 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:26:23 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251081/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251081 feeds@yuku.com (speedyforme) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251081 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:12:06 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251080/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251080
Some procedural things:

- As soon as Warrior has the WDs set I will start the new thread at my earliest convienance.

- Please reserve the first two posts after the opening post for Warrior for guidelines and charts.

- Watchdogs can claim an early post as well to centralize links and information. It doesn't have to be on page one but let me know where your central post is so I can link it in my opening... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (pastordice) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251080 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:07:40 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251079/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251079
"While favoritism with WDs is a problem, random assignment and no swapping should fix it for the most part. Switching every episode is pretty extreme, because you lose the whole point of someone watching a certain person closely. If you switch from one to another, you'll have to relearn that person and have a tougher time determining their edit."

I mentioned epi-to-epi patterns when I first suggested the possibility, but the more that I think... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (AmberKnecht) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251079 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 04:05:02 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251078/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251078 feeds@yuku.com (I LUV TIJUANA) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251078 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:37:09 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251077/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251077 While favoritism with WDs is a problem, random assignment and no swapping should fix it for the most part. Switching every episode is pretty extreme, because you lose the whole point of someone watching a certain person closely. If you switch from one to another, you'll have to relearn that person and have a tougher time determining their edit.

Also, can someone explain to me what's going on with static neutrals and mixed neutrals and how we work that?
]]> feeds@yuku.com (unduli clone) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251077 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:55:54 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251076/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251076
Then Blair. My initial thought was another pretty boy. I was right. I rather skewered him in my WDs.

Then Austin. Here it gets interesting. My pre-season musings about Austin were negative. In his bio he was an actor/bartender/writer, a super three-fer of banality. I expected Blair... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (scepticA) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251076 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:10:32 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251075/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251075

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The job of the WD has failed. This seems rather harsh.

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Hey Oowatanite...I'm not trying to sound harsh, forgive me if I do (I tend to carry that tone sometimes like the world is going to end even though I know the world is doing (mostly) just fine), I'm speaking more ideologically than criticizing the actual system. The "if" being the key word in my statements.

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A Watchdog's report (and therefore their rating) is always going to be a little richer and detailed than most. That's their job. A Watchdog is there to catch things that might be missed and to point them out. After that we decide as to what to do with the info. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (fat little fingers) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251074 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:00:58 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251073/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251073
As for WD's voting more positive on their players, obviously that's happened, but I would propose that it's not due to favoritism. As you watch a character as closely as a WD is supposed to, you notice much more nuance and depth to a player's edit than the other casual viewers are going to (unless you're stuck with Bruce or JFP, for example). So... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Monkeyhunt) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251073 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:46:45 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251072/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251072
I agree with those who have said it already, randomly assign the player watchdogs and don't allow people to switch. That if anything can... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MasterDarkNinja) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251072 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:20:30 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251087/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251087
Well, considering the fact that you were the voice crying in the wilderness for Chris on Vanuatu, this is so ironic. Lol. :)

We need to keep in mind that Edgic is much more than the charting. And I think your example highlights this. Despite what you see as a failure of the majority of watchdogs to stay objective, ie, stay strictly in the voting mean, there was a group concensus leaning toward Aras... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (fat little fingers) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251087 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:17:38 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251071/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251071
I can definitely see Wallduck's point. I advidly Lurked in Edgic for the past 2 seasons, and by now, I've come to my own conclusions about Watchdogging gone wrong.

It's not really attributed to a WD persay, but just rather fanatical Edgicers who relentlessly persue that someone who is not Edgically fit to win has Edgical (yes, I said Edgical, lol) viability...when they simply do not.

I... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (GodIsAnAtheist) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251071 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:04:47 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/reply/251070/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html#reply-251070 feeds@yuku.com (I LUV TIJUANA) http://www.survivorsucks.com/sreply/251070 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:51:09 GMT http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/4232/t/S12-Edgic-Editing-Logic-.html (Hmmm. New Topic. Never hit that button before...)

Welcome to Edgic for Survivor 12 Exile Island.

We devote this thread to try and pick the winner (hopefully by or before the merge) by looking at the editing player by player and applying logic from past editing patterns or observations about what we have been shown.

Everyone is welcome to participate, so for anyone new who wants to jump on board here is... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (pastordice) http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/4232 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:03:32 GMT