Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Screerider) — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:35:22 GMT

So 10 different players win, we should give credit to all 10's "good play", yes? If you're conceding that point, you then see why only giving just 1 player credit for having something all 10 have makes no sense.

And I'm stunned to hear you say the Mole doesn't have rules. Of course it does. As for strategies, the number of strategies in the Mole are as varied as there are in poker and football, it's no different. Only players/teams with repeatable...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:56:55 GMT

Your argument is imcompatible with "The Mole" because each game is self contained. It cannot be compared to poker or football because those games are based on clearly identifiable rules and strategys. In other words, the players participating in those games are proving themselves to be "good" at it. To be "good" at the Mole in my eyes means that you simply survive every quiz and win the final one. That is it. It would be nice if the person who first discovered...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Screerider) — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:08:24 GMT

I'm not talking about a compromise. I'm not just talking about being able to understand the other's argument well enough to make a rebuttal, but also trying too understand it (and their rebuttal).

You argument is simplistic and easy to refute. If you understand poker, football, or just about any other sport, the rebuttal is easy to get. If you understand how better players, despite giving themselves the best chance at a win, can still lose, the rebuttal is...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:42:58 GMT

This argument doesn't allow us to meet halfway.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Screerider) — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:30:50 GMT

Well, we're repeating ourselves 'cuz you don't get it, and you won't win any debates if you can only see your side of things.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:49:55 GMT

I'm repeating myself because this is an argument and neither yyou nor Screerider has presented a decent rebuttal. It's easy to just say that "don't get it", but don't expect to win any other arguments or debates that way.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Will) — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:47:40 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
The point of the matter is that he survived every quiz. That is the only criteria to win.

No it isn't but arguing with you is like talking to a parrot so yeah I'll pass on this.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Etxeverria) — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:37:32 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
The point of the matter is that he survived every quiz. That is the only criteria to win.

You are right, although he only beat out a couple of people that were eliminated by mere seconds.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:58:24 GMT

The point of the matter is that he survived every quiz. That is the only criteria to win.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Will) — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:48:35 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
Which is what Mark did. Noone is denying that he was a good quiz taker right?

He was better than Victoria, that's about as far as I would say about his quiz taking skills.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Screerider) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:32:37 GMT

Yes, despite knowing the least number of correct answers, he survived by luck. Perhaps if he'd known more correct answers, he wouldn't have put himself in such a risky position. Better players mitigate things like that.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:44:00 GMT

Which is what Mark did. Noone is denying that he was a good quiz taker right?

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Gamemaster8888) — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:43:56 GMT

But you also control your actions in poker, as you do in the mole. So again, certain skills come in to play. If you can read people, calculate pot odds, etc. in poker, that can erase the luck factor to a mere percentage thing, as in the card the player needs to hit to beat you, or vice cersa.

In the mole, not making a mistake is critical, but so is speed. That is why checking and double checking the quizzes as you answer them is important, as well as the journals. If you rush...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:22:07 GMT

I have a problem with the nose for the Mole>not having a nose for the Mole principle. Since the quiz is what determines who wins and who loses, seemingly arbitrary things like being extra careful not to press the wrong option becomes critical. It can't be compared to poker since there is such a great amount of luck in it, moreso than The Mole.

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Screerider) — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:53:00 GMT

Gamemaster8888 wrote:
Paul for example, picked Craig off quickly as the mole. He focused on him, theorized how he could be the mole and who was on his trail, and was fairly quick with his quizzes. He was the best player in the game.

Perhaps. I would say that having a nose for the Mole > not having a nose for the Mole.

So basically, luck is a small part of it, but really has...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Gamemaster8888) — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:52:49 GMT

But to that though, while luck is an abstract concept, skill isen't.

I am a short, heavyset guy. I am not that physically strong, but I am mentally strong. I love reading and puzzle solving and I know I can do well on Survivor if I ever get on the show, mentally at least. But I won't win challenges if they involve strength.

So I might need some luck to survive that show, but my skills will help me in my survival. Skill is a concrete thing. You can build on them,...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:33:46 GMT

Right. I've brought this up as well as several other hit and run posters: the quiz is tantamount. I think Screerider has problems accepting that. Luck is an abstract concept that can be defined clearly, but we don't have a good one yet. Screerider and I look at things from two different perspectives. While Screerider thinks of terms like "skill" and "luck" in concrete, material terms that can be tested in a lab, I'm a bit more metaphysical because I view...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Gamemaster8888) — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:29:16 GMT

One thing to add though to this (which I am sure you said somewhere in the entire back and forth.)

The best player is also not the luckiest player. Look at any poker match, and you have a famous poker player like Phil Ivey going up against an ametuer. The ameteur can best him maybe 5/50 times let's say. The ameteur is lucky he beat the best player, by saying getting good cards or reading a situation correctly. But luck also only affects the game minutely. You can have...

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:25:29 GMT

Re: Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Screerider) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:34:44 GMT

You've also been next to godlike. Don't forget that.

Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?

feeds@yuku.com (Will) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:18:39 GMT

Think of how awesome it would have been if Nicole won.