Immunity Idols in Micronesia

Re: Immunity Idols in Micronesia

feeds@yuku.com (Heliox) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:08:38 GMT

I completely disagree. A person can take the idol from u anyway they want, but they cannot physically harm you. That has been a rule on Survivor for a long time. So they can look in your bag and steal it. But they cannot tackle you to the ground and take it.

NOPE!
See the 3rd rule for the II:

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feeds@yuku.com (JT Rocks) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:12:27 GMT

Ditto. I laughed out loud at the preview of...

Eliza: This is NOT an Immunity Idol!!
Jason: Why not?
Eliza: It's a fricking stick!!!

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feeds@yuku.com (tvfunspotter) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:02:36 GMT

survivorready wrote:
I completely disagree. A person can take the idol from u anyway they want, but they cannot physically harm you. That has been a rule on Survivor for a long time. So they can look in your bag and steal it. But they cannot tackle you to the ground and take it.

Yes, but what if the bag is 5 feet from the person it belongs to - can they steal it while the owner watches? Would you allow one...

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feeds@yuku.com (survivorready) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:44:08 GMT

I completely disagree. A person can take the idol from u anyway they want, but they cannot physically harm you. That has been a rule on Survivor for a long time. So they can look in your bag and steal it. But they cannot tackle you to the ground and take it.

Re: Immunity Idols in Micronesia

feeds@yuku.com (Krossedge) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:01:43 GMT

Well I do agree that the HII does allow a huge advantage to the player(s), it also comes with it's share of disadvantages. For example, when people find out that you have the idol, it puts a huge target on your back each and every TC. That's why I believe it is fair that it cannot be stolen. Because when you find the HII, if you choose to tell people of this you put alot of trust into people, and that can come back to bite you in the ass.

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feeds@yuku.com (tvfunspotter) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:31:03 GMT

survivorready wrote:
This is the worst rule ever in Survivor. So if a castaway finds a coconut on the island, does it mean that nobody else can drink it without permission? I do believe that the castaways shouldn't steal things from each other that they brought from the outside world (like clothing, shoes, spectacles, etc...). That is their personal property. But they SHOULD be able to steal the HII. The HII is something the...

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feeds@yuku.com (LKMOSCAR) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:28:35 GMT

survivorready wrote:

GrenadeJumper85 wrote:

All I am saying is that the HII just gives too much of an advantage to the person who finds it.

Uhmmm, sorry to burst your bubble, but that's the point of the HII. To give an advantage to player(s) lucky enough to find it.
...

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feeds@yuku.com (survivorready) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:24:35 GMT

GrenadeJumper85 wrote:

All I am saying is that the HII just gives too much of an advantage to the person who finds it.

Uhmmm, sorry to burst your bubble, but that's the point of the HII. To give an advantage to player(s) lucky enough to find it.

I know that is the point. But I said it gives "too much" of an advantage.

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feeds@yuku.com (tvfunspotter) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:23:36 GMT

LES2002 wrote:
"In my opinion - finding the idol in this circumstance is the same as Mookie and the gang finding Yau's idol or Jaime and company stumbling upon James' idols. They know to whom it belongs and it ain't them, so taking it is stealing. Also you could argue possession and that's legally defined as 'dominion and control' over something...so hiding it in a spot in common area, meh it could...

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feeds@yuku.com (GrenadeJumper85) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:19:11 GMT

All I am saying is that the HII just gives too much of an advantage to the person who finds it.

Uhmmm, sorry to burst your bubble, but that's the point of the HII. To give an advantage to player(s) lucky enough to find it.

Re: Immunity Idols in Micronesia

feeds@yuku.com (survivorready) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:15:41 GMT

This is the worst rule ever in Survivor. So if a castaway finds a coconut on the island, does it mean that nobody else can drink it without permission? I do believe that the castaways shouldn't steal things from each other that they brought from the outside world (like clothing, shoes, spectacles, etc...). That is their personal property. But they SHOULD be able to steal the HII. The HII is something the castaways find after the game starts. It cannot be considered personal property...

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feeds@yuku.com (LKMOSCAR) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:47:26 GMT

LES2002 wrote:
Cirie knows that it's not hers so it would have to be Ozzy's.

Or Ami's.

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feeds@yuku.com (LES2002) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:19:48 GMT

"In my opinion - finding the idol in this circumstance is the same as Mookie and the gang finding Yau's idol or Jaime and company stumbling upon James' idols. They know to whom it belongs and it ain't them, so taking it is stealing. Also you could argue possession and that's legally defined as 'dominion and control' over something...so hiding it in a spot in common area, meh it could be argued either way. I think the legal team with Survivor probably went through...

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feeds@yuku.com (MidnightPrince69) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:50:46 GMT

One of the above scenarios occurs.

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feeds@yuku.com (tvfunspotter) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:14:57 GMT

LES2002 wrote:
"Legally, stealing is depriving someone of their property and use of it, so if they don't allow 'stealing', I can't see how they would allow taking an idol from someone's possession and hiding it."

But if Ozzy hides the HII out in the woods and Cirie (who doesn't seem to know that Ozzy has it) finds it, what happens then? Can she keep it? She didn't steal it...

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feeds@yuku.com (kenc333) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:01:26 GMT

Yea, the show edited it to show that Peih-Gee found James' idols in the ceiling of the shelter, but in post-game interviews, I think it was James who said that those were Jean-Robert's plaques that he took, and he hid them in the ceiling.

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feeds@yuku.com (birdlady) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:10:51 GMT

No, after the merge, Peih-Gee and Erik were laying around the shelter, when she saw them where James had tucked them into the thatching.

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feeds@yuku.com (Krossedge) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:05:57 GMT

Sorry to correct you birdlady, but it was Jaime who found James' two HII at the Zhan Hu camp during China, and they were with his personal belongings (wrapped up in his pants). P.G, never even knew there was a HII at that time. And, I think that Ozzy would be smart enough to realise that the tribes usually merge at 10, so I can't see him leaving the idol behind at camp.

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feeds@yuku.com (Jacare15) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:35:42 GMT

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feeds@yuku.com (birdlady) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:16:20 GMT

In at least some past seasons, there have been written rules with the idol that included a procedure for trasnferring its owndership (in front of crew people). There must be something about even moving it (does that count as stealing?), since, for example, in China we saw Peih Gee find James' idols, unattended in the common shelter, not with his personal belongings, but leave them.

Which doesn't mean any of that is true this season. Although I think the worst that could...

Immunity Idols in Micronesia

feeds@yuku.com (sliverprincess) — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:49:46 GMT

I have been thinking about Jeff's interview comment that the idols "have more impact this season than ever before".

At first I thought that someone (hopefully Ozzy) would actually use the idol to save them-self at tribal council - although the idol has been played before, I don't remember it really saving anyone.

But Jeff's further comment that "we have someone this season who makes an even bigger blunder (than James)" makes me think........