Family Final Four

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Tyran Amiros) — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:00 GMT

That was pretty close to the beginning of FF4, wasn't it? I don't know if we had ratings for all the players from their original seasons, like Jenna L. In FvF and their original seasons, Cirie and Parvati were still M and D, respectively. I'm not sure about the rest.

It will be interesting to see if someone that was a Child in their original season is now an Adult--someone from the early seasons that has had life changes.

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Lady V) — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:25:15 GMT

Hey, Birdlady! Lex I think stayed F in both seasons, and so did several other players. I will see if I have that in my notes. Does anyone else have that? Remember it? (If anyone else is still here that is! :)

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (birdlady) — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:36:41 GMT

So if the next season is all returnees, that should mean we already know what their roles are? How did that work out in past all-star seasons, did returning players indeed stick with their preferred role?

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Lady V) — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:22:51 GMT

~~**~ Season 15 FF4 Results ~**~~

1) The F6 will contain an E, an F, an M, and some kids. (It has 15 of 19 seasons)
CORRECT.

2) F4 will not contain two people with the same role. (It has not 14 of 19)
CORRECT.

3) There will not be 2 Fs or 2Ms in the F6 (There has not been in 17 of 19). (In the odd situation where there are two Ms or two Fs, one will be a failed M or F.)
CORRECT.

4) The F2 will not be two dads nor two moms. (The F2 has...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Lady V) — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:13:02 GMT

Just got home and watched the finale! Time to clarify categories again...

From 4/14/04, with notes for this season:

E = The Es are obvious. You could think of them as OTT in edgic in a way--except that their eccentricity colors everything about them. These people are just...how do I say this?...odd. A little weird. If there was a question about a person being an E or something else, they are probably something else. NOTE: This is Evil Russell, only he was VERY weird....

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Olmec Donald) — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:50:09 GMT

Well, at any rate, a parent-eccentric hybrid (Kathy V, Russell H) simply cannot win.

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Kitty Pryde1) — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:52:55 GMT

Mick was NEVER an F. Jesus Christ, why do people keep saying he was? He was a clear S, with Russell as the F/E.

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Tyran Amiros) — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:10:05 GMT

Well, the clear D beat the maybe-F and the E for the win! I don't know what that means for our seventh guideline. Don't think we should dismiss it, but I'm thinking maybe that clear roles tend to beat maybe roles? Mick used the traditional F approach to the jury and it totally backfired.

I think it's interesting that Nat's strategy mirrors other Ds like Parvati and Danni--social game over strategic game. This season may be really bad for Edgic, but it's...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Trixiego) — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:12:34 GMT

Nice read as always

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Olmec Donald) — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:16:50 GMT

Okay, who wins now? Father or daughter? FF4 logic suggests the F will win, but I have a hard time seeing the jury vote for Mick over Natalie.

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Tyran Amiros) — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:36:26 GMT

On Mick being F (usual disclaimer that I haven't seen every episode):

To me, the role of F isn't leadership per se, but rather provision (looking back in this thread I made this same argument with respect to Bob in Gabon). The Father ranks the preservation of the tribe above himself . They are concerned with bringing protection and order through respect and trust. Prototypical Fathers like Terry from EI and Bob from Gabon earn respect through their...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (MissScamper) — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:06:14 GMT

Eldest Son isn't the same as a Father. FF4 says if a parent is in the FF4 with an E or an assortment of children, the parent is most likely to win. Our F5:

Russell - Eccentric father (more of an E than an F)
Mick - Eldest S/some people see him as an F
Jaison - S
Brett - S
Natalie - D

Eccentrics have never won Survivor--not once in 18 seasons. If Russell is more of an E than an F, then I don't think he wins. If he's more of an F than an E,...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (BlakeB717) — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:09:22 GMT

Either or, both are equally as significant (JT won as Eldest Son)

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (MissScamper) — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:59:01 GMT

I don't know, Kitty. I've always seen Mick more as an Eldest Son rather than a Father.

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Kitty Pryde1) — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:00:16 GMT

Why does Mick keep getting identified as a father? Aside from the election in the first episode, based on first impressions only, what has he done to be an F?

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (MissScamper) — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:20:31 GMT

If Brett wins immunity again, it's the perfect opportunity for Jaison, Mick and Brett to take out Russell. Would they do it? Mick and Jaison have been toying with the idea for a while now. The HII is no longer valid. Russell could be blindsided, if no one tells Natalie. Oh my heck, wouldn't that be glorious???

FF4 suggests that this is a strong possibility. We've had such a hard time labeling Shambo and Russell, which usually means that person is doomed to head over to...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Olmec Donald) — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:29:51 GMT

birdlady wrote:

The most popular person going into the F3 has NEVER WON the Final IC (Craig's observation).
And who will that be? And will we have a tribal at F4 or F3?
I hadn't heard this one before. "Popular" how? With viewers, jury, players remaining in the game? I'm not sure I'd characterize any of the ones left this season as "popular",...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (BlakeB717) — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:26:04 GMT

Interesting assessment. JT also almost always used "we" or "me and Stephen", where Stephen used "I" a lot in his confessionals.

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Tyran Amiros) — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:16 GMT

Mick hasn't had a lot of screentime since I started watching this season, but one thing I really noticed first in the recap and again last night was the contrast in word choice between Mick and Jaison. Mick uses "we" and Jaison uses "I" many times when they're ruminating about the future. Someone in another thread (sorry I can't remember who!) mentioned that Mick's game is often about the tribe, about Foa Foa, while Jaison's has been personal...

Re: Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (bonzaibeach) — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:32:04 GMT

I think Russell is an Eccentric Father and Shambo is an Eccentric Mother, and their eccentricities are what makes the family work. The daughter is Natalie and the sons are Mick & Jaison. So which son will go? Personally, I hope it is Mick. Jaison has done his fair share of helping the family stay together by buying the advantage, and winning back to back immunities, and it just feels like Mick is along for the ride. Also, Mick was the first one shown to be thinking about slaughtering...

Family Final Four

feeds@yuku.com (Lady V) — Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:30:31 GMT

I've moved this from edgic at KQ's suggestion.

find it fascinating how, in each season, little family configurations seem to ally and hold tight, and how the members of each 'family' end up in the F4. Almost all of us grew up in families of some kind--mother (M), father (F), kids (S,D=son, daughter), maybe an eccentric uncle/grandparent type (E) in the mix. Under stressful conditions, people naturally reproduce a time in their lives when they felt safest. All of us can be mothers,...