Ok, where the hell did it come from?

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feeds@yuku.com (This Situation) — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:15:02 GMT

I forgot to add that the fact that Casaya was the dominant tribe was in large part due to Aras' personal efforts at challenges and his direction of challenge strategy. BobDawg had more strength, but really Aras was without a doubt Casaya's best all around competitor.

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (This Situation) — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:12:19 GMT

Remember, in the weights challenge Aras had just come back from Exile, and Courtney had less weight then he did. In the F8 challenge he was tied for second. He was second in the F5 challenge. The F10 challenge he almost certainly threw, because he wasn't La Mina's target then, Shane was. The F9 challenge he tried, but he couldn't get through the first stage because that challenge came down to him, Shane and Austin. The two skinnier guys were able to squeeze under the fence first....

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:49:38 GMT

CSCin3D wrote:

The things that you praise Aras for had all been before. There have been so many other Aras' throughout the seasons. He just lucked out by being in the dominant tribe.

Please provide some prominant examples. SWB,Aras has never exactly laid out his stratagy,but as Tacobellcanon has shown, Aras made several good plays, whether concious of it or not. If we dont know for sure,we should...

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (tacobellcanon) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:00:08 GMT

Thanks JaMalle, I understand, that post took all the energy out of me anyway haha.

CSC, I'm not saying that luck wasn't involved, because luck is always involved in everyone's win ever period. I'm just saying that he didn't win on only luck, and there were other good things about his win.

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feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:59:01 GMT

There were definitely two occasions that we saw Aras holding his alliance together:

- After the BobDawg elimination, Shane is mad as hell with Danielle and Courtney while the girls want to use the guillotine to chop the lunatics head off. Aras forces Shane to see that if he doesn't apologize to the women, then he will have to go. Shane apologized durng their reward visit.

- In the season recap, Casaya had just lost the challenge that required catching balls thrown by a...

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (JaMalle) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:50:06 GMT

good post taco. I don't agree with a lot of the points but they're ALL valid. Sorry, I'm too lazy to properly respond to them. haha

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (CSCin3D) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:49:41 GMT

The things that you praise Aras for had all been before. There have been so many other Aras' throughout the seasons. He just lucked out by being in the dominant tribe.

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (tacobellcanon) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:44:42 GMT

SwineForkbeard wrote:

tacobellcanon wrote:
He was setting Cirie up for the fall by using her as a buffer for the Shane ouster, thereby hiding behind her and directing Shane's anger more at her than at him.
What can you cite, on or off the show, that supports any of this? Aras and Cirie both backstabbed Shane. How was he hiding behind Cirie if...

Re: Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (JaMalle) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:34:03 GMT

I'm not going to read all of these posts, but I will weigh in on the topic:

F4 of Exile Island---

Cirie: Her best move is to take Danielle to the end. Unfortunately she's forced to vote against her and stick to Aras. She played the best she could, and I think she WOULD have beaten Aras. Yes, Shane/Courtney was pissed off. But really, SHANE would have voted for a '''parent''' over Aras "I live in my parents' basement" ANYDAY!!!!...

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feeds@yuku.com (Pulau Tiga) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:04:37 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
PT,are you suggesting that Aras is some kind of incompetent idiot?

No, I'm suggesting winning was not his most important goal in the game, just like it wasn't for Colby.

Based on hisinterview that he might lose,that could have been spec on his part.

Of course it was. He speculated that he would lose to Cirie. Yet he still wanted to face her...

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feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:03:36 GMT

tacobellcanon wrote:
He was setting Cirie up for the fall by using her as a buffer for the Shane ouster, thereby hiding behind her and directing Shane's anger more at her than at him.

What can you cite, on or off the show, that supports any of this? Aras and Cirie both backstabbed Shane. How was he hiding behind Cirie if Shane didn't realize how involved she was as a strategist until he watched the show?...

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feeds@yuku.com (tacobellcanon) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:28:24 GMT

^ I agree with you. He was setting Cirie up for the fall by using her as a buffer for the Shane ouster, thereby hiding behind her and directing Shane's anger more at her than at him. Either way, he wasn't a complete fool, and parts of his game were very well-crafted and well-played.

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feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:26:31 GMT

PT,are you suggesting that Aras is some kind of incompetent idiot? I highly doubt, hell, I find it unfathomable that he planned to lose to Cirie. Based on hisinterview that he might lose,that could have been spec on his part. Theres nothing wrong with trying to balance stratagy and personal integrity,which is what Aras tried to do. Aras had a plan to beat Cirie,and thats that

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feeds@yuku.com (Pulau Tiga) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:35:42 GMT

speedyforme wrote:
The biggest thing I will credit Aras is for the reward challenge Q&A where Cirie won and took ALL the heat.

Yeah, that's the one part of Cirie's game I still don't understand. What was she thinking winning that?

It would of been in Ciries interests to boot Aras at f4 if he did that,so I dont think Aras would do that.

Aras wasn't playing for...

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feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:03:28 GMT

True,but Danielle would still have a better shot at Cirie then Terry. It would be the same situation as between taking terry or aras. Danielle was screwed

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feeds@yuku.com (speedyforme) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:45:01 GMT

NO WAY, Cirie's best chance was to keep Aras and have him take her. I am not so sure Danielle would have taken Cirie knowing how much she got along with everyone versus Aras.

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feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:30:36 GMT

It would of been in Ciries interests to boot Aras at f4 if he did that,so I dont think Aras would do that. Again, Aras is not the idiot people like Pulau Tiga make him out to be. Just because hes indifferent to Survivor itself doesnt mean hes not paying attention

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feeds@yuku.com (tacobellcanon) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:24:52 GMT

^ What makes you think Cirie wouldn't just turn around and vote out Aras with Danielle and Terry? Yeah, she's a sweet lady, but she's playing for a million dollars, and she would be a complete idiot to pass up the opportunity to take out one of the game's two huge threats. Even bigger of an idiot than Aras would be to give up that immunity.

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feeds@yuku.com (kenc333) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:07:05 GMT

I still think that Aras should've given his F4 immunity to Cirie, so she would go to the next round, and if there was a tiebreaker, it'd be himself vs. Danielle. Then at the final three, he would've outlasted Terry on the lilypads, and would've taken Cirie to the final 2, where it'd be closer, but as much as I love Cirie, I think Aras would've still won with Austin, Courtney, Shane and Terry's votes.

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feeds@yuku.com (speedyforme) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:34:48 GMT

The biggest thing I will credit Aras is for the reward challenge Q&A where Cirie won and took ALL the heat. He was smart enough to ensure it was Cirie who won and he lost cause he knew he was going on the reward and Shane got pissed off at Cirie. That was genius on his part.

Ok, where the hell did it come from?

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:55:19 GMT

I find Aras to be a above average winner and the victim of peoples bias. I can respect if people dont like him or thought he got lucky,but I keep hearing over and over again that he planned to lose to Cirie. When and where did he say this? Post a link if you can